Kapyong Barracks Discussion

[The Unknown Poster]

As an aside, on the subject of water parks, Fun Mountain may not be as popular as it once was whenever it opens if people see the public comments of the owner...

[buzzg]

Originally Posted by Wpgstvsouth94

Seeing these plans for the area it’s quite alarming. It’s already busy on a daily basis. I think residents should be pushing for a few interchanges in the widening of kenaston plan. Grant and Corydon especially.

Even though in theory it'd be nice at Corydon, don't think there's any chance – shoulda planned that 70 years ago. It's quite walkable around there, lots of residential and sidewalk-scale commercial right nearby. At most maybe Kenaston overpass of the regular intersection (is that a diamond?), but still I think it'd kill the area.

Grant however should definitely have a diamond, there's plenty of room and that's the busiest intersection.

No chance at Taylor, not nearly enough traffic. If they do anything to improve the Taylor intersection in should be to close the intersection and make all turns RIRO. If you live between Grant and Taylor in River Heights and want to go south on Kenaston, either use Waverley to Sterling Lyon, or go the new Grant interchange. Same goes for south of Grant wanting to go south on Kenaston.

Originally Posted by The Unknown Poster

As an aside, on the subject of water parks, Fun Mountain may not be as popular as it once was whenever it opens if people see the public comments of the owner...

I'm certain this is a big factor. The amount of posts I've seen ripping her... yikes.

[CoryB]

Originally Posted by buzzg

I seem to remember in one of the big announcements, the development team said they're happy and willing to work with the city to parcel off whatever the required land needs are to do the Kenaston widening.

As I said, working with the City on a deal for land on the west side needed for Kenaston widening is likely still a possibility right now but would also likely be a land swap deal, not a straight sale and expropriation is almost certainly a complete no-go. For example might the City be willing to give up the land they own near the works, including Shaw Park, in trade for the land needed for Kenaston? The Forks area is well known as traditional indigenous land so it would make sense.

Originally Posted by bomberjet

In early maps they showed an allowance for Kenaston Widening. The City would buy the land off them like any other land owner.

Pretty sure a simple, straight "sale" of the land won't happen. The Treaty One group fought in court for the better part of a decade to secure that land. Even looking past the complexities of selling indigenous owned land the price would likely be far higher than the City would pay. The far more likely option would be a land swap deal, give land somewhere else within the city but it is going to need a fairly high value.

[Wpg_Guy]

The master plan for the site has been released this morning:

https://u5r.71f.myftpupload.com/wp-c...March-2021.pdf

This conceptual illustration depicts the northernmost parcel (Block E) of the redevelopment. The ring-road, together with diagonal parkway corridors, connects
this new community with the adjacent neighbourhoods and offers residents and visitors access by a variety of transportation modes. Featuring Commercial uses
along Route 90 and a Mixed-Use Village along Grant Ave., Block E is predominantly characterized by a large Community Space surrounded by single and multiunit residences. The conceptual design of the community space follows this Plan’s landscape guiding principles, emphasizing First Nations design and culture and
encouraging support for First Nations artists.

[bomberjet]

It's interesting that the parts owned by Canada Lands company are mostly medium density residential. Where as the parts owned by Treaty One are primarily commercial and less dense. Different goals I suppose.

[optimusREIM]

Nothing exciting but not offensive either. My concern is that adding all these new access points is going to further contribute to the congestion on Kenaston.

[bomberjet]

Kenaston is a lost cause anyways. The City has no will or money to do anything. Call me cynical or whatever you want. It's the truth. It was like $500 million to add the new lanes.

Kapyong is as expected. Homes, commercial, etc. Nothing earth shattering. Hopefully it works out. Phase 1 is residential at the south end along Taylor.

[rrskylar]

Originally Posted by optimusREIM

Nothing exciting but not offensive either. My concern is that adding all these new access points is going to further contribute to the congestion on Kenaston.

Maybe those building on the Kapyong Lands should be forced to contribute to road infrastructure!

[Spocket]

I think it looks pretty good but I would have preferred to see a couple high density areas.

[esquire]

Originally Posted by optimusREIM

Nothing exciting but not offensive either. My concern is that adding all these new access points is going to further contribute to the congestion on Kenaston.

Looks like most of them will be right in right outs so that should minimize the impact on traffic... unless I'm misinterpreting the plans, it looks like there might be one new full intersection on Kenaston?

[Wigglez]

The layout reminds me of something from the 70s/80s.

[pspeid]

Looks okay to me. I never really thought there would suddenly be a row of high-rises or anything dramatic there, so as long as the development benefits the First Nations communities it's all good. IMO of course.

[trueviking]

Look at the plan again and realize the light green/brown is surface parking. Much of the green around the housing blocks will be too. The Kenaston side will look exactly like the other side of the road. Big boxes, gas stations, car dealerships and parking lots. Lots and lots of parking lots.

There’s not a street in the whole thing. Not sure where those urban looking plazas and storefronts are supposed to be. Along Grant, I guess?

[Peggerino]

This project reminds me of my grandparents' retirement community in Phoenix

[zen-kz]

Interestingly they did not add any offsets for Kenanston widening. Buildings are shown built up to the existing width. Does this mean that the widening project is dead?

[trueviking]

Hopefully, but it’s likely they want to negotiate that land with the city. Don’t want to show their cards.

[bomberjet]

They have land set aside. These are architectural type renders.

[plrh]

It's funny because it is nearly identical to what is east of Kenaston. Some retail, with a mishmash of medium density residential housing. Nothing new here.

[plrh]

On a technical note, the land piece in the middle of that yin yang lake is likely there because of the 7' diameter combined sewer that is 18' deep that runs north through the entire site. Moving that would be pricey.

[The Jabroni]

Originally Posted by plrh

On a technical note, the land piece in the middle of that yin yang lake is likely there because of the 7' diameter combined sewer that is 18' deep that runs north through the entire site. Moving that would be pricey.

Yup, you're right, because it's also noted in the master plan on page 50.

That's interesting that an existing combined sewer is underneath, and that's assuming because of the base before, was it not?