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You are being disingenuous the average "meal" from McDonalds is close to 10$ if you are talking a sandwich fries and a drink.

You can obviously buy a single burger and 1$ fries off of a dollar menu as I said but if you are talking about their pricing and marketing for an actual meal (which you are) the cost per person at most fast food is right around $10 a person.

If you think 20-30$ for a decent lunch at an actual restaurant is unreasonable I think you maybe dont go out to eat much.
Well, since this is a hot topic, I will put in my 2 cents. I HATE to cook and I eat out for breakfast, lunch and dinner daily and have nearly my entire life. I am also a penny pincher and try to keep my meals as cheap as possible without reverting to dollar menu items or really unhealthy foods such as anything that's deep-fried or breaded. With that in mind, I am never able to eat any meals for under $8...not even including drinks or getting more than 1 item or the occasional lunch special. There are just not going to be many options in Downtown for under $10 except the places that have already been mentioned (Subway, Chick-fila, Chipotle, etc.). Heck, even most salads these days are in the $8 range.
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Old Posted Jun 4, 2019, 12:37 AM
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If you think 20-30$ for a decent lunch at an actual restaurant is unreasonable I think you maybe dont go out to eat much.
You're missing my point, maybe because I wasn't clear enough. If you're eating out most days every week it becomes extremely costly for sub par food downtown. There are not enough inexpensive "quick lunch break" kind of places - they're all catering to business lunches. I had a Chino Salad the other day from Cafe. It was $15 for a salad. No drink. and that's not even a full service restaurant.

All I'm suggesting is there aren't enough quick cheap lunch places downtown. Most downtowns have those on every corner. Not every place has to be organic farm to table iron chef cuisine.
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You're missing my point, maybe because I wasn't clear enough. If you're eating out most days every week it becomes extremely costly for sub par food downtown. There are not enough inexpensive "quick lunch break" kind of places - they're all catering to business lunches. I had a Chino Salad the other day from Cafe. It was $15 for a salad. No drink. and that's not even a full service restaurant.

All I'm suggesting is there aren't enough quick cheap lunch places downtown. Most downtowns have those on every corner. Not every place has to be organic farm to table iron chef cuisine.
My point is 10$ IS a cheap lunch place
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You're missing my point, maybe because I wasn't clear enough. If you're eating out most days every week it becomes extremely costly for sub par food downtown. There are not enough inexpensive "quick lunch break" kind of places - they're all catering to business lunches. I had a Chino Salad the other day from Cafe. It was $15 for a salad. No drink. and that's not even a full service restaurant.

All I'm suggesting is there aren't enough quick cheap lunch places downtown. Most downtowns have those on every corner. Not every place has to be organic farm to table iron chef cuisine.
What would you suggest? The places that you're knocking as underwhelming (Subway, Jimmy John's, etc.) are the kind of places you are going to get for under $10. So I'm not sure what more you are expecting for those prices?
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So moving back to actual development news, I walked by the Stewart and was pretty amazed that the retail spot for Snooze is wide open for anyone to walk in. So I snuck in and took a quick pan-am shot. Going to look great and I hope they incorporate as much wood as they can into the look of Snooze. Also, on a side note, there is a liquor hearing on June 6th for Snooze. I wasn't aware Snooze served liquor? Maybe this will help bring some of the non-breakfast crowd in.



Edit: imgbb kept crashing on me trying to view the full res version. You can go to it here for the full res pic: https://ibb.co/cNq3h3K
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Looks awesome! Yeah they serve mimosas, screwdrivers, etc, your typical brunch alcoholic drinks
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Old Posted Jun 4, 2019, 1:12 AM
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So moving back to actual development news, I walked by the Stewart and was pretty amazed that the retail spot for Snooze is wide open for anyone to walk in. So I snuck in and took a quick pan-am shot. Going to look great and I hope they incorporate as much wood as they can into the look of Snooze. Also, on a side note, there is a liquor hearing on June 6th for Snooze. I wasn't aware Snooze served liquor? Maybe this will help bring some of the non-breakfast crowd in.



Edit: imgbb kept crashing on me trying to view the full res version. You can go to it here for the full res pic: https://ibb.co/cNq3h3K
Yeah snooze has alcohol they are a "brunch" place so they are open well into the afternoon.
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What would you suggest? The places that you're knocking as underwhelming (Subway, Jimmy John's, etc.) are the kind of places you are going to get for under $10. So I'm not sure what more you are expecting for those prices?
When I eat at Jimmy John's it's $7.50 for a turkey Tom everything on it. That's not under $10 I don't drink soda or eat fried potatoes so I never factor that in. If you want to factor in sides and sodas then just add $4 across the board.

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Old Posted Jun 4, 2019, 1:26 AM
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Also, on a side note, there is a liquor hearing on June 6th for Snooze. I wasn't aware Snooze served liquor? Maybe this will help bring some of the non-breakfast crowd in.
It's definitely a trend for breakfast places to obtain liquor licenses in order to serve mimosas, bellinis, bloody Marys, and other brunch beverages. Daily Jam and Breakfast Club both serve alcohol, and so does Matt's Big Breakfast at its Tempe location. Matt's will also serve alcohol at its coming-soon location in northeast Phoenix. I don't know if Matt's has plans to add it downtown, though.
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Windsor and Hash Kitchen have a big emphasis on booze at breakfast as well.

Side note: if you like bloody marys you owe it to yourself to visit Hash Kitchen.
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Guess I am behind the times on breakfast and booze then. Thank God or I would get to work slightly buzzed!
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So moving back to actual development news, I walked by the Stewart and was pretty amazed that the retail spot for Snooze is wide open for anyone to walk in
Kinda amazing they would leave that place unsecured with all that fire load and so much history available for them to be aware of how arson often plays out in urban areas.
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Seamus has the best kitchen downtown.

Seriously.
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On the topic of lunch spots downtown, I personally love Detroit Coney Island, wish they would stay open later. I’m originally from Detroit so it’s kind of a Detroit thing, it’s the closest thing to it in Phoenix. Tom Yum has great lunch specials for around 10 bucks. I like Chipotle and Yogis but personal hate Jimmy Johns, I’m a Jersey Mike’s fan. Pot Belly is a great spot downtown. I don’t know what biggues expects to have downtown for a 5 dollar meal, with minimum wage going up they just don’t exist anymore. Maybe those hot dog carts that are around downtown. I mean we have a Five Guys, a Chik Fil Le, even a Taco Bell now if you really gotta go cheap and regret it later. But Asian spots typically have the best lunch specials, whether you work by a strip mall in the suburbs or downtown. The Gyro spot at Colliers is pretty good and u can’t go wrong with Fired Pie or Pizza Studio for under 10 bucks. What else could there really be? That does suck that Even Steven closed, anyone know what happened? Whenever I was there they were always pretty slow, idk why, they are real good.
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Everyone turn on your hoses and sprinklers for today is a glorious day: https://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/...na-out-of.html

Unusually wet winter, spring pushes Arizona out of short-term drought

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The U.S. Drought Monitor has reported that, for the first time in its nearly 20-year history, none of the contiguous states was showing symptoms of severe or exceptional drought — including Arizona.

This year's abnormally wet May helped push the state out of a 10-year drought period.

According to the monitor’s weekly report in late May, only 20.5% of Arizona was showing moderate drought or “abnormally dry” symptoms. Data for the same week in 2018 found 100% of the state in moderate drought or abnormally dry, with a majority of the state experiencing severe (97%) or extreme drought (73.2%).

Richard Heim, a meteorologist with the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s National Centers for Environmental Information, said the change was tied to this year’s wet spring.

“Rain and snow have been falling in the areas that needed it, so the drought’s contracted a lot,” he said.

Arizona is no stranger to downpours in the monsoon season, which runs June 15 to Sept. 30, according the National Weather Service, but heavy rain and snowfall in spring isn’t typical for the Southwest.

Still, Heim said this kind of shift in drought status is normal for the desert. Although the U.S. Drought Monitor has been collecting data on drought since 2000, he said, such records as the Palmer Drought Index, with recorded data from as far back as the early 1900s, indicate that drought in Arizona ebbs and flows regularly.

State climatologist Nancy Selover said the increased rain and snow came from winter storms over the Southwest that lingered longer and provided more moisture than in the past.

“Typically, that pattern stops in April, if we even get it,” Selover said. “Last year it was so dry, we never even got that pattern. So it was really warmer than normal, really drier than normal. This year, we had what I would consider a more normal pattern.”

Selover noted that the Drought Monitor’s map only reflects short-term drought, not long-term.

“In the western U.S., water resources is a long-term issue,” she said. “Reservoirs don’t fill in a year and aquifers don’t drain in a year or fill in a year. It takes multiple years that are dry or that are wet in order to change that.”

In late May, representatives from each of the Colorado River Basin states – Arizona, California, Colorado, Nevada, New Mexico, Utah and Wyoming – signed the Colorado River Drought Contingency Plan after almost six years of work to develop state plans to address the severe drought on the region.

Nearly 20 years of drought in the basin have caused the water levels of the Colorado River to drop, putting the reservoirs at Lake Powell and Lake Mead at risk of not having enough water to meet demand.

It can be difficult to precisely define a drought in a state known for being hot and dry. Marvin Percha, a meteorologist with the Phoenix branch of the National Weather Service, said drought is a “certain departure from what’s considered normal rain, precip[itation] or melted snow fall.”

So, Arizona and the Southwest’s standards for drought are far different from standards in other parts of the country that may be wetter or have the capacity to store large volumes of groundwater.

Selover said it can be hard to explain drought to residents of Phoenix, where water is accessed at the turn of a tap. Outside metro Phoenix, she said, Arizonans relying on groundwater more readily understand what’s at stake.

However, Percha said, wet spells like the recent one pose their own set of potential problems. Although ample rains have helped high-desert cities and forests reduce the threat of wildfire, the summer heat could spell trouble for the lower desert.

“Because of all the rain we’ve had in the winter, there have been a lot of grasses and what we call fine fuels that have grown, and now with the drier weather, they’re drying out,” Percha said. “That’s increased the fire hazard down in the lower deserts.”

He also said flooding could be a problem if wet springs become a long-term standard in Arizona, as reservoirs could overflow.

Selover said it’s more likely that years of drought and groundwater draws would collapse the soil, meaning aquifers won’t be able to store as much water as before. However, it could take about 10 more years of drought to reach that point, she said.

For Selover, the concern is flash flooding caused by the sudden heavy rain, similar to what Arizonans experience during monsoon season.

Mike Crimmins, an associate professor and climate science extension specialist for the University of Arizona, noted that seasonal allergies may stick around longer, with harsher symptoms, as a result of increased plant growth.

Crimmins said wet seasons are the optimal time to think about water conservation because drought is largely unpredictable.

“We can have this conversation, and then two months from now we’re in one of the worst monsoon droughts that we’ve seen or something like that,” he said. “That’s always a possibility. But I’m trying to be kind of optimistic here. It really builds us some time to get the water situation under control in Arizona.”

Crimmins also said Arizonans should remember that one great wet season doesn’t mean climate change has been reversed or even slowed.

“This is a very local phenomenon for the Southwest and it’s been positive and beneficial, but we still need to be vigilant with water and keeping an eye on the temp[erature] trend in the long term as well,” he said.

Heim cautioned that Arizonans shouldn’t get too comfortable with the idea of a lush, wet climate in the future.

“I can guarantee you, because climate is cyclical, drought will return,” he said. “It’s like the James Bond movies: ‘James Bond will return’ at the end of the movie. Drought will return.”
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On the topic of lunch spots downtown, I personally love Detroit Coney Island, wish they would stay open later. I’m originally from Detroit so it’s kind of a Detroit thing, it’s the closest thing to it in Phoenix. Tom Yum has great lunch specials for around 10 bucks. I like Chipotle and Yogis but personal hate Jimmy Johns, I’m a Jersey Mike’s fan. Pot Belly is a great spot downtown. I don’t know what biggues expects to have downtown for a 5 dollar meal, with minimum wage going up they just don’t exist anymore. Maybe those hot dog carts that are around downtown. I mean we have a Five Guys, a Chik Fil Le, even a Taco Bell now if you really gotta go cheap and regret it later. But Asian spots typically have the best lunch specials, whether you work by a strip mall in the suburbs or downtown. The Gyro spot at Colliers is pretty good and u can’t go wrong with Fired Pie or Pizza Studio for under 10 bucks. What else could there really be? That does suck that Even Steven closed, anyone know what happened? Whenever I was there they were always pretty slow, idk why, they are real good.
I just think Even Steven had the problem the US Bank retail has. Not enough residents in the immediate vicinity and not enough support from office workers. I really think the dynamics will change with X Phoenix, Kenect and Central Station getting built. These will all be within a 1 or 2 block walk to US Bank and Monroe retail spots.
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I just think Even Steven had the problem the US Bank retail has. Not enough residents in the immediate vicinity and not enough support from office workers. I really think the dynamics will change with X Phoenix, Kenect and Central Station getting built. These will all be within a 1 or 2 block walk to US Bank and Monroe retail spots.
I think you're right about this location, though I believe all the Even Stevens in the Phoenix metro closed. The chain really receded for some reason. Too bad, it was a pretty good sandwich spot
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I think you're right about this location, though I believe all the Even Stevens in the Phoenix metro closed. The chain really receded for some reason. Too bad, it was a pretty good sandwich spot
The public reporting was that they felt like they over-expanded.

https://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/...-5-valley.html

And then in March they went into bankruptcy.

https://www.standard.net/lifestyle/f...1c37f7a45.html
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On the topic of lunch spots downtown, I personally love Detroit Coney Island, wish they would stay open later. I’m originally from Detroit so it’s kind of a Detroit thing, it’s the closest thing to it in Phoenix. Tom Yum has great lunch specials for around 10 bucks. I like Chipotle and Yogis but personal hate Jimmy Johns, I’m a Jersey Mike’s fan. Pot Belly is a great spot downtown. I don’t know what biggues expects to have downtown for a 5 dollar meal, with minimum wage going up they just don’t exist anymore. Maybe those hot dog carts that are around downtown. I mean we have a Five Guys, a Chik Fil Le, even a Taco Bell now if you really gotta go cheap and regret it later. But Asian spots typically have the best lunch specials, whether you work by a strip mall in the suburbs or downtown. The Gyro spot at Colliers is pretty good and u can’t go wrong with Fired Pie or Pizza Studio for under 10 bucks. What else could there really be? That does suck that Even Steven closed, anyone know what happened? Whenever I was there they were always pretty slow, idk why, they are real good.
Why are you guys arguing with me? I know how much I'm spending. I had lunch at Chick Fil A and it was $4.87 - I feel some of you are trying to turn this into an argument. My only point is simple, The selections for getting a cheap quick bite for lunch downtown are extremely slim.

I'm hardly the first person to comment on this. If I don't want so spend $10+ on lunch I only have a couple of options.
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You’re out of ur mind if u think u only spent $4.87 at Chik-fil-A for lunch. Unless you have the appetite of a small child lol especially the downtown location since prices are inflated due to ASU location
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