noirish Los Angeles

[ethereal_reality]

A busy day at Griffith Observatory, Spring 1962.




"A Box of Pictures" on flickr https://www.flickr.com/photos/g_clis...ream/lightbox/

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[Noircitydame]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

So was 'Carolina Pines' connected with 'Carolina Lanes' out at the airport? ( notice the same distinct style of lettering)

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It's admirable, E-R, with that artwork, it was the lettering you noticed.

The Lanes & Pines seem to have been related in that they were built at the same time by the same architect/designers, but operated under different ownership.


lat 5-31-59. Davidson Jack H. Macdonald and Ceejay Parsons, architects and engineers, drew up the plans for the structure and Samuel E. Hart did the design.

[Hollywood Graham]

Originally Posted by Martin Pal

Hmmm...
I'm not sure how the ranking system works, but in three instances we have
him as a Corporal (Corp.) in the news clipping of 3-9-42.

In the Bar of Music photograph he's noted as a Lieutenant (Lt.) on 3-7-43.

Three months later on 6-27-43 in the accident report he's listed as a 2nd Lieutenant (2LT).

According to this wikipedia photo of USAAF ranks, though, that would be in reverse order of what they should be, if I'm not missing something.



Also, they don't seem to have a Corp. in the Air Corps?

No such thing as U.S. Air Force in 1942, it was called U.S. Army Air Corp and was part of the Army. . The ranks at that time were same as Army.

[Tourmaline]

Originally Posted by Noircitydame

It's admirable, E-R, with that artwork, it was the lettering you noticed.

The Lanes & Pines seem to have been related in that they were built at the same time by the same architect/designers, but operated under different ownership.

More on the "late" Lanes&Pines >

Built as a bowling alley in 1959, it later became a nightclub. For a while in the mid-1960’s, part of the building was in use as an adult theatre, known as the Century Theatre. This theater became home to a notable ‘gentleman’s club’ with live performances, located close-by LAX.

It was closed in August 2009, to be demolished for expansion of the airport. Demolition took place in December 2009. http://cinematreasures.org/theaters/19118

[Earl Boebert]

Originally Posted by Hollywood Graham

No such thing as U.S. Air Force in 1942, it was called U.S. Army Air Corp and was part of the Army. . The ranks at that time were same as Army.

Yes. He would carry the pay rank of Corporal and effective rank of Cadet as he was going through flight school, and then be commissioned as a Second Lieutenant upon graduation.

Cheers,

Earl

[HossC]

Thanks for the follow-ups on the Valley Music Theater, Martin Pal.


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Originally Posted by BifRayRock

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...1b256ade2c.jpg

Originally Posted by Martin Pal

Our experts need to identify all the automobiles in this photo.

I'll start by having a go at the front row. From L-R: 1954 Plymouth 2-door sedan; 1959+ Mark II Jaguar; 1957 Chevy 4-door sedan. I'm sure that one of the real experts can go into specific models and the background cars.

Incidentally, a Japanese company called Mitsuoka makes a Mark II Jaguar look-alike based on the sub-compact Nissan March/Micra. Since the March/Micra is not sold in the US, the Mitsuoka Viewt probably isn't available either.


Wikipedia

[Bristolian]

That's either a '63 or '64 Cadillac convertible behind the Jaguar.

[Martin Pal]

Originally Posted by Hollywood Graham

No such thing as U.S. Air Force in 1942, it was called U.S. Army Air Corp and was part of the Army. . The ranks at that time were same as Army.

I didn't mean to confuse things, HG, as I did know it was the USAAF at the time, I decided to use the chart labeled U.S. Air Force Insignia of Rank because it (the officer's rank) was in reverse order from the one on the wiki page, the only difference being the top rank is General of the Army instead of General of the Air Force.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...rmy_Air_Forces

Originally Posted by Earl Boebert

Yes. He would carry the pay rank of Corporal and effective rank of Cadet as he was going through flight school, and then be commissioned as a Second Lieutenant upon graduation.
Cheers,
Earl

From the info we have on this gentleman, and it's interesting that we have exact dates:

3-9-42 - Corporal (Corp.) (Newspaper clipping)
3-7-43 - Lieutenant (Lt.) (Bar of Music Photo)
6-27-43 2nd Lieutenant (2LT) (accident report)

...we know he "enlisted in the Army Air Corps as a private in
December, 1940, (age 25) at Fort MacArthur, San Pedro, CA."

Questions:
Would he still have been a Corporal roughly 15 months after enlisting?
On the Bar of Music photo, listed as only Lt. -- in public, whether you were
a 1LT or 2LT would you just be referred to as a Lieutenant?

Also, maybe he wasn't a gentleman as the newspaper clipping from NCD has him engaged to Betty Jo Lins and a year later he's writing love poems to Marjorie "Midge" Casper.

[Earl Boebert]

Originally Posted by Martin Pal

From the info we have on this gentleman, and it's interesting that we have exact dates:

3-9-42 - Corporal (Corp.) (Newspaper clipping)
3-7-43 - Lieutenant (Lt.) (Bar of Music Photo)
6-27-43 2nd Lieutenant (2LT) (accident report)

...we know he "enlisted in the Army Air Corps as a private in
December, 1940, (age 25) at Fort MacArthur, San Pedro, CA."

Questions:
Would he still have been a Corporal roughly 15 months after enlisting?
On the Bar of Music photo, listed as only Lt. -- in public, whether you were
a 1LT or 2LT would you just be referred to as a Lieutenant?

According to this:

http://militaryaviationjournal.com/2...uring-wwii.htm

bombardier school was 9 months long. So the pay grades are not inconsistent.

I do not know if cadets kept their existing grade or were promoted on entry. When I went through USAF OTS in 1962, you were inducted as an E-1 and immediately promoted to E-5 on entry.

And yes, both 2/Lt and 1/Lt are informally referred to as "Lieutenant."

Cheers,

Earl

[HossC]

Why don't more architects put the address on the front of their buildings . Here are Julius shulman's photographs of 315 South Virgil Avenue. They're from "Job 943: Carl Maston, Virgil Apartment Building (Los Angeles, Calif.), 1951".



And here are the interior pictures. The fifth image in the set is an exterior shot similar to the view above, but taken at a later date (judging by the vegetation growth). It doesn't really add anything, so I've left it out.







All from Getty Research Institute

Here's the 1949 building permit which shows that Carl Maston designed, built and owned the apartments.


Online Building Records

The relevant later demo/new building permits aren't available to view online, but there are several for demolition dated December 1989, and three for new construction dated 1990/91. I assume at least one of the latter is for the building which currently stands at 315 S Virgil. I can't say I'm particularly fond of it, but at least they continued to have the address on the front (it's just above the pedestrian).


GSV

[ethereal_reality]

re: military insignias

I've been intrigued by the insignia (medals?) on the gentleman below on the right.



eBay

Also, where are the insignia/stripes that are usually on the sleeves? (of both gentlemen on the either end)

-Yikes, that looks like a giant syringe on the wall.



This souvenir photograph is from 'The Jade' lounge located at 6619 Hollywood Boulevard.

As a reminder, it is the building with the mysterious boxy thingy on the roof.


Martin Pal http://www.skyscraperpage.com/forum/...ostcount=21278

If I remember correctly, the odd shape on the roof is one mystery that we haven't been able to solve on NLA. -a rarity!




I realize we've seen it before on NLA, but here's a better look at the fascinating Henry Clive mural visible in the background of the vintage photograph.


very erotic!!

-note the strategically placed clam shell.



Here's a Jade photograph I posted several years ago. A trio this time...a handsome military man with his parents (I think). -his father is a Robert Stack look-alike
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=18848


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[Earl Boebert]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

re: military insignias

I've been intrigued by the insignia (medals?) on the gentleman below on the right.


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Marksmanship badges. Guy was probably a sniper :-)

Cheers,

Earl

[ethereal_reality]

A sniper!? very intriguing! Thanks Earl.

[ethereal_reality]

I've been trying to line up this exact spot on 'google street view' for a 'before' & 'after' comparison, but I haven't had much luck.


http://photos.lapl.org/carlweb/jsp/F...Number=5274138


"Looking northeast from Valley Boulevard, near Alhambra Avenue in El Sereno." March 17, 1942






I did locate the hill that's visible behind the Cookie's Cafe sign.


gsv


detail


LAPL doesn't offer any explanation about the curvy center line.

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[Martin Pal]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

'The Jade' lounge located at 6619 Hollywood Boulevard.

As a reminder, it is the building with the mysterious boxy thingy on the roof.


Martin Pal http://www.skyscraperpage.com/forum/...ostcount=21278

If I remember correctly, the odd shape on the roof is one mystery that we haven't been able to solve on NLA. -a rarity!
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I've asked and emailed a lot of people about that thing on the roof and some have a supposition, but no one knows for sure what it is. I had a couple library people trying to find out, too. I've even looked for something similar on buildings in other cities to no avail.

HossC would those building permits you've found to post occasionally lead to any clues if the building was remodeled or anything?

[HossC]

It wasn't me who originally found the building permits, but I'll have a look.


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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

I've been trying to line up this exact spot on 'google street view' for a 'before' & 'after' comparison, but I haven't had much luck.


http://photos.lapl.org/carlweb/jsp/F...Number=5274138


"Looking northeast from Valley Boulevard, near Alhambra Avenue in el Sereno." March 17, 1942

I've also struggled to duplicate the LAPL image with GSV. Looking at Historic Aerials, I think the photo was taken near the end of Bawley Street. The 1948 and 1952 images show a couple of long traffic islands on Alhambra Avenue (I've used the 1952 image below). The road layout has gradually changed over the years, and a fairly recent bridge across the railroad tracks just southwest of here has eliminated the need for a grade crossing below the Legacy Autobody Shop label on the Google map.


Historic Aerials/Google Maps

[GaylordWilshire]

I looked for addresses for "VALLEY BLVD YRETTOP" and Cookies, to no avail. Perhaps this stretch of Alhambra Ave was once designated Valley Blvd.... Anyway, Bing, limited as it is, seems to provide better street views of Alhambra Avenue toward the hill and Y intersection:

[ethereal_reality]

GW, what is "VALLEY BLVD YRETTOP"?
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re: Carolina Lanes

posted by Tourmaline





Using the google_mobile I went back in time to see what the 'Carolina Lanes' building looked like before it was demolished.

[2008]

gsv

1959 design: mid-century modern /Jack MacDonald & Cejay Parsons (thanks for the info. NCD)

[GaylordWilshire]

I'm glad you asked that, ER... I guess William F. Sipes, who had a pottery at 4941 Valley Rd in 1942 (and lived with his wife Rena at 4945 Valley), thought the backwards spelling would catch the eyes of eastbound motorists. Perhaps Rena was "Cookie"....

[ethereal_reality]

lol. I thought it was an acronym.
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"Men dressed as women, arrested Alhambra Cafe, 1954."



old file

I thought this photo might be from the lapl or usc archives, but I wasn't able to find it again.




Do you think this small dive bar down in San Pedro could be the place where they were arrested?


gsv

216 W. 11th St.


Here's a closer look at the blade sign.


detail

note that the bar was established in 1936.

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