PHILADELPHIA | 412 N 2nd Street | 260 FT | 23 FLOORS - Page 2

arkitect13 · #21 Posted **May 27, 2021, 2:59 PM**

^^ Honestly theres so little room to make it appealing to pedestrians, but i think making it a mural/arts hotspot would be cool, painting the pillars, those Neon lights would work, even doing some form of occasional market there would be cool too. With unlimited funds id say put shups into those retaining walls and widen the sidewalkswith trees, and paint the sidewalks/streets to look pretty.

Justin7 · #22 Posted **May 27, 2021, 3:07 PM**

SEFTA · #23 Posted **May 27, 2021, 3:32 PM**

Spring Garden

Spring Garden 2

Redddog · #24 Posted **May 27, 2021, 4:10 PM**

Wow, Sefta. Not to get greedy here but that visualization makes me wonder how soon before those crappy one-story buildings in between are going down.

There is NOTHING in those buildings that is compelling. I would feel bad for Economy Restaurant Supply. They just relocated there from 2nd and Arch (still empty) about a year ago. It would suck to have to move again.

GtownFriend · #25 Posted **May 27, 2021, 4:37 PM**

SEFTA.. lwys love your graphics!
If you add in the 5th & Callowhill project (http://www.rising.realestate/7-story...nd-callowhill/), although its not a full skyscrapper, you have
major projects at all four corners

philly_account12 · #26 Posted **May 27, 2021, 4:39 PM**

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Originally Posted by Redddog

Wow, Sefta. Not to get greedy here but that visualization makes me wonder how soon before those crappy one-story buildings in between are going down.

There is NOTHING in those buildings that is compelling. I would feel bad for Economy Restaurant Supply. They just relocated there from 2nd and Arch (still empty) about a year ago. It would suck to have to move again.

The three buildings on the right side set back from the road are also owned by National. They're part of the next phase of this project that we haven't seen plans for yet

3rd&Brown · #27 Posted **May 27, 2021, 4:51 PM**

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Originally Posted by philly_account12

The three buildings on the right side set back from the road are also owned by National. They're part of the next phase of this project that we haven't seen plans for yet

it would be nice to get some mixed use in that spot.

a well branded mid range boutique hotel concept like the canopy would kill it in that location.

even an office use I think would lease up quickly.

Redddog · #28 Posted **May 27, 2021, 5:06 PM**

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Originally Posted by 3rd&Brown

it would be nice to get some mixed use in that spot.

a well branded mid range boutique hotel concept like the canopy would kill it in that location.

even an office use I think would lease up quickly.

Absolutely! That hotel/entertainment venue they were talking about at 4th and Race would kill it there. The proximity to 95 would actually work in their favor.

I mean, i'm not saying that I don't absolutely LOVE what they did at 4th and Race - talk about ground breaking designs, but this idea is amazing for this location.

Im with you....I think those sites go quickly.

PHLtoNYC · #29 Posted **May 27, 2021, 5:52 PM**

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Originally Posted by 3rd&Brown

it would be nice to get some mixed use in that spot.

a well branded mid range boutique hotel concept like the canopy would kill it in that location.

even an office use I think would lease up quickly.

An AC Marriott would fit well in that mix. Philadelphia doesn't have one yet. Solid mid-tier brand. That area will definitely need a major hotel brand once all this takes off.

mcgrath618 · #30 Posted **May 27, 2021, 5:54 PM**

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Originally Posted by PHLtoNYC

An AC Marriott would fit well in that mix. Philadelphia doesn't have one yet. Solid mid-tier brand. That area will definitely need a major hotel brand once all this takes off.

Actually, an AC Marriott is already being built in Chinatown.

Urbanthusiat · #31 Posted **May 27, 2021, 6:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by Redddog

They just relocated there from 2nd and Arch (still empty) about a year ago. It would suck to have to move again.

That's why you put early termination clauses in your lease! If they force you to move before your lease is up, you better get paid for it!

SEFTA · #32 Posted **May 28, 2021, 5:35 PM**

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Originally Posted by GtownFriend

SEFTA.. lwys love your graphics!
If you add in the 5th & Callowhill project (http://www.rising.realestate/7-story...nd-callowhill/), although its not a full skyscrapper, you have
major projects at all four corners

I generally try to concentrate on the "high-rises". Mostly because they have their own threads and easy to access for reference. I otherwise must scroll through the low-rise thread searching. If they're pivotal I try to include them. Yes 5th and Callowhill is a pivotal project.

arkitect13 · #33 Posted **May 31, 2021, 4:37 AM**

With this project i know there redeveloping the whole side of the block facing the freeway, but what else are they redeveloping? The other side of the block to the west? Multiple blocks?
Nonetheless this is an amazing project and hope this area can take off, just need the city to make it better for pedestrians..... :/

3rd&Brown · #34 Posted **Jun 3, 2021, 2:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by Urbanthusiat

That's why you put early termination clauses in your lease! If they force you to move before your lease is up, you better get paid for it!

There should be pre-identified zones of the city where these dislocated businesses (from one story buildings in booming areas) that we want to keep in town can move to quickly in a pinch.

The most logical zone in my mind atm is the Erie Avenue corridor (which frankly, should be a KOZ) and the Frankford Arsenal area. Zones around the airport can work as well, though many of these businesses cater to other small businesses in the city, so it's nice to be in the grid slash close to downtown.

Maybe South Philly above the Navy Yard (that no mans zone around IKEA) could also work.

summersm343 · #35 Posted **Jun 21, 2021, 8:01 PM**

Full Look At Developments In “SoNo” – Philadelphia’s Future Development Hotbed

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https://phillyyimby.com/2021/06/full...s-in-sono.html

City Wide · #36 Posted **Jun 22, 2021, 12:47 PM**

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Originally Posted by 3rd&Brown

There should be pre-identified zones of the city where these dislocated businesses (from one story buildings in booming areas) that we want to keep in town can move to quickly in a pinch.

The most logical zone in my mind atm is the Erie Avenue corridor (which frankly, should be a KOZ) and the Frankford Arsenal area. Zones around the airport can work as well, though many of these businesses cater to other small businesses in the city, so it's nice to be in the grid slash close to downtown.

Maybe South Philly above the Navy Yard (that no mans zone around IKEA) could also work.

great idea. If the City is willing and able to spend money on trying to attract new business, like amazon whorehouses, they should really work hard to keep the ones who already exist in the City.

gjrip · #37 Posted **Jul 7, 2021, 6:02 PM**

Awesome!! I walk by here often and always think it needs some love.

summersm343 · #38 Posted **Jul 7, 2021, 6:55 PM**

July CDR Submission is up!

PDF:
https://www.phila.gov/media/20210707...021-Review.pdf

mcgrath618 · #39 Posted **Jul 7, 2021, 7:15 PM**

260’ to mech roof.

Redddog · #40 Posted **Jul 7, 2021, 8:45 PM**

Not sure I understand the entirety of 2nd street facing building as a covered parking structure. Is that right?