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Old Posted May 21, 2020, 3:42 PM
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Hint: Try opening the page through Google Translate.
Also in Chrome, right click, view page source, ctrl F and search for "content__" - it takes you right to the text of the article. We're such pirates
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Old Posted Jul 22, 2020, 7:06 PM
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Anybody have any idea what this is about?

http://apps-secure.phoenix.gov/PDD/S...Number=2011900
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Old Posted Jul 22, 2020, 7:19 PM
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Anybody have any idea what this is about?

http://apps-secure.phoenix.gov/PDD/S...Number=2011900
Not sure, but its the first permit for that project in 3 years! Hopefully we will see movement!
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Old Posted Jul 22, 2020, 8:37 PM
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Not sure, but its the first permit for that project in 3 years! Hopefully we will see movement!
Man! All we got to do is talk about it and bam!
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Old Posted Jul 22, 2020, 9:32 PM
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I really want some development in that lot. Filling that lot of land up and hopefully the Thunderbird Legacy building falls through will really push downtown forward. I honestly believe those two projects will push development towards the warehouse district.
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Old Posted Jul 22, 2020, 10:28 PM
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It is just a Fact Finding though, which comes before Pre-Application and Preliminary Site Plan Approval before it even starts into Permitting, so there is a long way to go on this one apparently..... but progress is still progress!
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It is just a Fact Finding though, which comes before Pre-Application and Preliminary Site Plan Approval before it even starts into Permitting, so there is a long way to go on this one apparently..... but progress is still progress!
AIt also lets us know it's not dead....yet
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Old Posted Jul 22, 2020, 10:59 PM
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Man! All we got to do is talk about it and bam!
So hows Astra doing? LOL
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Old Posted Jul 22, 2020, 11:11 PM
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I really want some development in that lot. Filling that lot of land up and hopefully the Thunderbird Legacy building falls through will really push downtown forward. I honestly believe those two projects will push development towards the warehouse district.
I also feel it would give Talking Stick Arena an L.A. Staples Center vibe. Nice
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Old Posted Jul 23, 2020, 6:38 PM
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This was the last renderings we saw, I hope it is still the plan!





And a walk down memory lane for the various proposals and concepts over the last 6 years!!!! No im not kidding, this first one is from 2014:







This was never a serious proposal and tbh I hate this boxy look I think its tacky and will age extremely fast.

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Old Posted Jul 23, 2020, 7:17 PM
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That last on reminds me of a blend between 432 Park Avenue and the Independent in Austin.
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Old Posted Sep 18, 2020, 12:01 AM
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Pre-App?

https://apps-secure.phoenix.gov/PDD/Search/PlanReviews
(Search for Project number 17-367 in the link above)

I know the first pre-app expired but this looks like another pre-app (PAPP-2013702), right? Based on my limited knowledge of the pre-app sequence number the first two letters are the year of the pre-app filing. Also, when you click on the pre-app (it is blank, I know) but the printed date on the bottom left corner of the first page says September 17, 2020 and I believe I’ve seen pre-apps before that were blank but later populated with information or if there was a previous pre-app that expired, the second pre-app is blank because it is the same pre-app information as the first one, just showing that they paid the fees again. I also noticed the project fees total for this project went up by over $1000. Does this mean anything? I’m not too familiar with these but thought I’d point it out.
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https://apps-secure.phoenix.gov/PDD/Search/PlanReviews
(Search for Project number 17-367 in the link above)

I know the first pre-app expired but this looks like another pre-app (PAPP-2013702), right? Based on my limited knowledge of the pre-app sequence number the first two letters are the year of the pre-app filing. Also, when you click on the pre-app (it is blank, I know) but the printed date on the bottom left corner of the first page says September 17, 2020 and I believe I’ve seen pre-apps before that were blank but later populated with information or if there was a previous pre-app that expired, the second pre-app is blank because it is the same pre-app information as the first one, just showing that they paid the fees again. I also noticed the project fees total for this project went up by over $1000. Does this mean anything? I’m not too familiar with these but thought I’d point it out.
Not sure on this one. I hate when they blank them out like that. Then we can't see the submission dates on it.
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Old Posted Sep 18, 2020, 1:13 AM
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They submitted a Fact Finding in June 2020 too, plus with the new pre-app, it appears they are starting over. Normally you wouldn't have to go back to Fact Finding after an expiration unless the plans changed quite a bit. Look forward to see the updated plans!
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Old Posted Oct 6, 2020, 9:33 PM
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Here's the information I received from my records request:

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PROJECT NARRATIVE
THIS PROPOSAL IS FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE HISTORIC JEFFERSON HOTEL
(ADAPTIVE REUSE OF A NATIONALLY REGISTERED HISTORIC BUILDING) ALONG WITH THE
DEVELOPMENT OF THE ADJACENT 4 PROPERTIES AS IDENTIFIED ON THE SITE PLAN AND
CONTEXT PLANS. THE HISTORIC JEFFERSON HOTEL WILL BE RESTORED TO HP STANDARDS
AND WILL ACCOMMODATE RETAIL/COMMERCIAL USES AT GRADE AND CONDOMINIUM UNITS
ON FLOORS 2 THROUGH 6. AMENITY USES WILL OCCUPY THE ROOF. THE 3 ADJACENT
PROPERTIES TO THE EAST WILL BE DEVELOPED INTO A +/- 29 STORY MIXED USE STRUCTURE
WITH RETAIL AT GRADE, 6 STORIES OF STRUCTURED PARKING, AND 23 STORIES OF
RESIDENTIAL CONDOMINIUM UNITS. THE ADJACENT SOUTH PROPERTY WILL BE DEVELOPED
WITH FOUR STREET ORIENTED TOWN HOUSE UNITS (ORIENTED TOWARDS CENTRAL AVE)
ALONG ITS WEST FRONTAGE WITH UTILITY/GARAGE ACCESS ALONG ITS INTERIOR EAST
BOUNDARY.
There aren't any renderings of the proposed tower, but the specs call for a 350' tower. Curiously, the lot max height is stated to be a 500' which I did not think was allowable on the South side of Jefferson? South of Barrister would be an additional building at 3 floors that looks like it will be designed to look similar to Barrister. Architect will be CCBG, so I expect something good to come from them for the tower.

Here's the pre-app: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Er7...ew?usp=sharing
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Old Posted Oct 6, 2020, 9:41 PM
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Thanks for the information Crested very exciting news and along time coming.
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Old Posted Oct 6, 2020, 10:00 PM
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Here's the information I received from my records request:



There aren't any renderings of the proposed tower, but the specs call for a 350' tower. Curiously, the lot max height is stated to be a 500' which I did not think was allowable on the South side of Jefferson? South of Barrister would be an additional building at 3 floors that looks like it will be designed to look similar to Barrister. Architect will be CCBG, so I expect something good to come from them for the tower.

Here's the pre-app: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Er7...ew?usp=sharing
Nice work Crested!

Love the height on the tower but underwhelmed on the additional building only being 3 stories on the Central Ave side. It should at least match the height on the Barrister building (6-stories) but at least this project is still alive!
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Old Posted Oct 6, 2020, 10:02 PM
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Thanks Crested!! You know I think you're awesome.
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Old Posted Oct 7, 2020, 1:19 AM
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Agreed, thanks Crested! I really like the look of the townhomes, and they add another layer of street activation that is not common in Phoenix unlike many other cities with street after street of row homes. I think the juxtaposition of the historic looking row homes and actual historic building against the more modern? looking tower will be really nice!
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Old Posted Oct 7, 2020, 3:04 AM
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Here's the information I received from my records request:



There aren't any renderings of the proposed tower, but the specs call for a 350' tower. Curiously, the lot max height is stated to be a 500' which I did not think was allowable on the South side of Jefferson? South of Barrister would be an additional building at 3 floors that looks like it will be designed to look similar to Barrister. Architect will be CCBG, so I expect something good to come from them for the tower.

Here's the pre-app: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Er7...ew?usp=sharing
29 stories, I think the old plans were for 32 but at least its above 20
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