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VANCOUVER -- A Tualatin-based development firm with a track record of successful Portland-area retail projects will put a major stamp on Vancouver's downtown riverside redevelopment.

Gramor Development Inc. has reached a deal to buy 29 acres on the Columbia riverfront downriver of the Interstate Bridge from Boise Cascade Corp., the developer said.

Gramor, with several investors, envisions condominiums, rental housing, office, retail, restaurants and public open spaces. Terms of the sale, expected to close by the end of the year, were not announced.

The announcement rounds out the cast of major players in the city's drive to revitalize downtown riverside land.

A city-funded overhaul of a downtown city park marked the first phase. Construction of condominiums, retail space, offices, rental units, a hotel and the Vancouver Convention Center -- all with publicly funded financial incentives -- marked the second phase.

The Gramor development, the third wave, is expected to unfold over coming years. Based on city projections, it probably will add thousands of residents to downtown, an area whose population growth has trailed the rest of Clark County's. Officials have compared the potential impact to that of the massive South Waterfront development in Portland.

Gramor has participated in several Portland-area projects, including the $30 million Lake View Village in Lake Oswego, the retail and restaurant complex credited with invigorating downtown Lake Oswego's retail traffic. In addition, Gramor has developed Canby Market Center, Sherwood Market Center, Murray Schools Market Center, Battle Ground Market Center and "A" Street Station in Lake Oswego.

Callison, a Seattle-based design firm whose client list includes Nordstrom Inc., Microsoft and Nike, will produce the property's master development plan.

But several questions about essential services to the property, perhaps more mundane than an architect's vision, remain to be answered. These questions turn on how to supply the site with city water and sewer services, reroute a BNSF Railway Co. spur and ensure smooth transit to the site.

The last issue -- transportation -- is particularly vexing, City Manager Pat McDonnell said.

A BNSF berm allows no more than a few access points to the waterfront, only one of which is in the downtown core. Also, officials want the site to provide easy access to Interstate 5 as well as the Vancouver waterfront on the east side of the Interstate Bridge.

Some questions may be answered in the master plan, but the problem of the I-5 bridge access may have to await the selection of a plan for an Interstate Bridge replacement.

"How you move people in and out of that site will be very important for us," McDonnell said.

The Port of Vancouver's estimated nine acres between the Boise site and the Interstate Bridge present another development opportunity.

Port officials are likely to talk soon with Gramor, said Larry Paulson, the Port's chief executive. He noted that operators of the Red Lion Hotel at the Quay have a long-term lease in the Port-owned hotel building.

Of four bidders in a national sales campaign for the land, Boise picked a firm with Clark County backing. Investors in the riverfront project all hail from the county. One of the lead Gramor executives, David C. Copenhaver, the firm's vice president of development, lives near Ridgefield, another town in the county.

"This is a great opportunity," Copenhaver said. "It's riverfront property next to a thriving downtown and adjacent to the freeway."

Other investors include Steve and Jan Oliva, Allan and Saundra Kirkwood, Steve and Jo Marie Hansen, and George and Paul Diamond.

The Olivas founded the Hi-School Pharmacy chain and own land in Oregon and Washington. Allan Kirkwood is a retired vice president of the construction company Peter Kiewit Sons' Inc. Steve Hansen is a senior vice president of Kiewit Corp., another construction company. George Diamond is president of Vancouver-based Real Estate Investment Group and was principal broker of 16 acres in Portland's South Waterfront area.

Copenhaver said the investors know one another through civic, social and development activities. He would not reveal the financial stake of each partner.

Boise announced in January that it would sell its 29 riverfront acres. The Gramor group's bid was one of four submitted, said Linda Alden, a Boise spokeswoman.

A paper mill was built on the site in 1922, and Boise acquired the property in 1962. The company ceased making pulp and paper in Vancouver in 1996. About 400 people worked at the site at that time.

Most recently, Boise Cascade used the property to produce security paper products, converting base paper into checks, tickets, gift certificates and other documents of financial value. That operation employed about 80 people.

Only six Boise employees remain at the site, which is already being demolished, Alden said.
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N/M. I didn't see it in the Oregonian until just now.
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Gee, how about bringing the MAX to Vancouver. Nah...
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if what is in that drawing actually gets built it would be a really nice addition to vancouver. if they get light rail someday it could be a popular, affordable alternative for those urban dwellers who cant afford portland's inner city, like me
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Door open for 'second downtown'?

Wednesday, January 11, 2006
By GRETCHEN FEHRENBACHER Columbian staff writer

Prospects of a new owner for -Columbia Business Center on the Vancouver waterfront are stirring discussion about the future of the property, prized as a home to industry but also for its potential for higher density redevelopment that one expert said could be a "second downtown."

The news that Schnitzer Investment Corp. would sell the 220-acre business park is widely viewed as an opportunity to add a new element to Vancouver's revitalization. The center's 2.4 million square feet of building space makes it Clark County's largest business park and second in size in the metropolitan area only to Rivergate Industrial District in Portland.

Eric Fuller, of Eric Fuller & Associates commercial real estate services in Vancouver, said Tuesday it is critical that the jobs at Columbia Business Center on Southeast Columbia Way, east of Columbia House Boulevard, be saved. But, he added, the jobs could be moved -elsewhere, leaving the business center free for redevelopment as high-density residential, offices and retail.

He said one possible formula would have the Port of Vancouver buy the business park and relocate the jobs to an alternative site such as Columbia Gateway in west Vancouver.

"The community retains the jobs and gets a higher and better use of that prime waterfront property -- that is -Vancouver's second downtown," Fuller said.

Schnitzer Investment has retained Holliday Fenoglio Fowler to market the property nationwide. Seller and broker say the market will dictate the price, depending on what the buyer decides to do with it. -Holliday Fenoglio Fowler is based in Texas, but its New York office is handling the -Vancouver property.

Andrew Scandalios, one of the brokers marketing the property, said that because of the property's size and value, the buyer would probably be an institutional investor.

He described it as a "very unique" site, based on its size, location on the waterfront, and proximity to state Highway 14 and interstates 5 and 205.

Schnitzer Investment, a -privately owned real estate -investment company with ties to the Schnitzer steel family, bought the Vancouver property in 1997 for $62.2 million.

Roger Qualman of Norris Beggs & Simpson and Fuller speculates that the business center could be valued at more than $100 million in today's market.

The timing of the possible sale may be partially driven by rising interest rates, which could cause property values to decline as the cost of buying real estate goes up.

Fuller described Columbia Business Center as having five attractive attributes -- -location, uniqueness, size, a solid income stream from lease tenants, and being available for purchase.

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Gerald Baugh, development services manager for the city of Vancouver, said that Schnitzer had done a good job of making the center fit into the surrounding area by improving peripheral areas. He said that any thought of transforming it into a mixed-use development is lessened by the prospects of redeveloping the Boise -Cascade property west of Interstate 5 into high-density residential and related uses. That site amounts to 27 city blocks, he said.

While Schnitzer Investment is marketing the entire site, the western half -- roughly 110 acres -- is owned by the Hidden- and Van Buren families of Vancouver. Schnitzer has a ground lease on that portion with 25 years remaining. While any buyer would have control over that site for the remaining life of the lease, the two families would retain ownership.

"We haven't contemplated selling it," Monte Hidden said Tuesday. "It has been in the family over 100 years."

He said that any negotiations over the purchase of Columbia Business Center would be between the buyer and Schnitzer. He said, however, that he would like to see continued use for heavy industry.

Bart Phillips, president of the Columbia River Economic Development Council, concurred.

"It is a very valuable industrial property," he said, adding that in the past two years, his group has put three new tenants into space there. Pam Neal, council staffer, said LeClede Chain Manufacturing Co., Isco Industries and the related firms of Qualawash and Quality Carriers have leased a combined 99,000 square feet there. Much of it is used for distribution, she said.

Overall, the center has about 80 tenants, according to -Holliday Fenoglio Fowler -broker Andrew Scandalios.

Critical location

Phillips said the center's -waterfront location is critical for companies such as world-class luxury yacht builder Christensen Shipyard Ltd. and metals manufacturers Universal Structures and Thompson Metal Fab, which use barges to ship their products.

"There are very few locations in the Portland area where you have water access for metals or any industrial activity using barges," he said.

Phillips said that even some of the World War II-era buildings on the west side of the property are used by manufacturers and distributors.

Qualman sees the potential for some 50 acres of underdeveloped property on the west end of the site to transition into virtually an extension of the -adjacent Columbia Shores waterfront-related development. To do that would require -rezoning the property.

He said newer construction in Columbia Business Center is too good to redevelop. Fuller said the future of the site might dictate that it be redeveloped entirely.

Peter Bechen, president of PacTrust in Portland, said his firm considered buying Columbia Business Center in 1997, but decided not to because of the portion of the property that remains under long-term lease. Still, he said, many investors would pay a premium for such a large piece of industrial land. Bechen's firm is a co-developer of 450-acre mixed-use Columbia Tech Center in east Vancouver, with more than 1 million square feet of building space.

Gretchen Fehrenbacher covers commercial and residential real estate for The Columbian. She can be reached at 360-759-8018 or via e-mail at gretchen.fehrenbacher@columbian.com.


The debate

How should Columbia Business Center be redeveloped?

On one side: Redeveloping the Columbia Business Center property could maximize use of highly valuable waterfront property in a prime location.

On another side: Maintaining an industrial center helps the city hold onto bedrock manufacturing and related jobs.

How to get involved: The public will have an opportunity to comment on any requests for rezoning the property, although none is currently proposed.
Business center sold to area firm

Saturday, August 5, 2006
By JULIA ANDERSON, Columbian staff writer Advertisement


Earlier this week, local investors said they were buying Boise Cascade's Vancouver waterfront property. On Friday, it was the turn of locally owned Killian Pacific to announce that it has purchased Columbia Business Center, another waterfront gem.

The 219-acre business park located east of the Interstate 5 Bridge is among the largest in the metro area with 2.3 million square feet of office and industrial space in 26 buildings and an array of manufacturing, warehousing and office tenants.

The sale was jointly released by Killian Pacific and Portland's Schnitzer Investment Corp., the seller. Details of the agreement were not available although experts speculate the deal was worth about $130 million.

On Tuesday, Gramor Development of Tualatin, Ore., with local investment backing, said it is buying 29 acres of waterfront property west of the I-5 Bridge from Boise Cascade. Gramor will lead that redevelopment.

At Columbia Business Center, no one expects any big operating changes. In fact, Killian Pacific, owned by the father-son duo of George and Lance Killian, is contracting with Schnitzer Northwest LLC of Bellevue to continue the business park's management.

That's good news, said Bart Phillips, president of the Columbia River Economic Development Council, who sees the business center as a key regional economic engine because of its manufacturing, distribution and warehousing tenants.

"We have and will continue to have a lot of our clients locate there," he said. "This is a strategic bit of infrastructure with some of our highest-paid jobs and nationally important businesses."

Phillips said he welcomed the Killians' local ownership.

"I think they understand the importance to the community of that property," he said. "It's not just an asset in a portfolio."

Nearly 40 tenants lease space in the business center, which is about 93 percent leased. Among those are Sharp Electronics Corp., Vanport Warehousing, West Linn Paper Co., Portco Corp. and Thompson Metal, a steel fabricator.

Steve Burdick, manager of Vancouver's economic development department, said the sale and its impact to the city's downtown core really depends on what the Killians plan. He said the city wouldn't see any significant changes if it remains an industrial park. If the land some day sprouts condominiums, expect those residents to look toward downtown for essential services such a grocery store.

Local ownership bodes well for the region's future, he said.

"To have the Columbia Business Center owned locally is a very good thing." he said. "It's a particular coup for the community to have George and Lance (Killian) pick that up."

In a prepared statement, the elder Killian said, "We look forward to the opportunity to further enhance what Columbia Business Center has to offer and thereby continue to fuel economic growth in our community."

The Killians own another key piece of property, nearby, the former Jantzen swimwear factory site, west of Grand Boulevard, north of state Highway 14. They also are proposing Riverwest, a massive redevelopment project in downtown Vancouver to include a new main Fort Vancouver Regional Library.

They own downtown's West Coast Bank building and an adjacent development site and recently purchased a par-3 golf course for redevelopment in Brush Prairie.

Hidden family plays big role

Technically, in buying Columbia Business Center, the Killians acquired about half the park's total real estate outright as well as the business park buildings. Nine members of the Hidden family, living both in Vancouver and in Portland, collectively own 139 acres on the park's west end leased to Schnitzer, and now the Killians, in a long-term agreement that continues for another 24 years.

At one point, Schnitzer proposed redevelopment of the Hidden property, but was never able to come to an agreement with the family.

Roger Qualman, executive vice president with NAI Norris, Beggs and Simpson commercial real estate firm, speculated that the Killians might have better luck with the Hiddens.

"That goes back to the local aspect of this," Qualman said. "It could be easier to talk to each other, easier to discuss the future of the property."

Qualman said the Killians could propose a joint venture with the Hiddens or even buy the property from the family.

The underdeveloped Hidden property, which sits near Beaches Restaurant & Bar and Meriwether condominiums, offers the most potential for a mix of residential and office projects, Qualman suggested.

Bill Hidden, owner of Hidden Farm in Vancouver, said Friday that, so far, there had been little discussion. "There are no big secret plans," he said, "just another marvelous opportunity for Vancouver. Local control means people won't have to go to out-of-town investors for decisions."

Schnitzer Investment purchased the business center for $62.2 million from the Hillman Corp. in 1997.

Holliday Fenoglio Fowler, a national commercial real estate brokerage firm, handled the sale.

Cami Joner and Jonathan Nelson, Columbian business reporters, contributed to this story.


Columbia Business Center

WHAT: 219-acre Vancouver waterfront business park.

TENANTS: 40.

SIZE: 2.3 million square feet of office and industrial space. plus 1.75 million square feet of outside storage and 3.3 miles of rail.

NEW OWNER: Killian Pacific, Vancouver.

LOOKING AHEAD: Killian Pacific expects to "further enhance" the business center.


TOP PORTLAND-VANCOUVER BUSINESS PARKS

* Rivergate Industrial District, 10.4 million square feet, Portland.

* Columbia Business Center, 2.3 million square feet, Vancouver.

* Southshore Corporate Park, 1.63 million square feet, Portland.

* AmberGlen Business Center, 1.35 million square feet, Portland.

* Oregon Business Park I, 1.27 million square feet, Portland.

* EastRidge Business Park, 1.04 million square feet, Vancouver.
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Friday, August 4, 2006
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When progress takes hold and neighborhood improvements kick in, one of the biggest temptations in the hurried drive to modernize is to ignore history. Such disregard for the past is a sign of arrogance.

Consider six old houses on Evergreen Boulevard, just east of C Street, in downtown Vancouver. When the $165 million Riverwest project begins, it would be easy to simply pretend those aging structures never existed. Few people would probably even miss them.

But one of those houses the 99-year-old Kiggins House at the east end of the block has for more than a decade been listed on the National Register of Historic Places. It was built by the famous former mayor, John P. Kiggins, who wanted to build a home on the lot because it was within view of the Vancouver Barracks stockade, where he was briefly incarcerated. Holly Chamberlain, the consultant who wrote the 1995 application for historic recognition, explains: "This was part of him thumbing his nose. 'OK, I was in jail briefly in the Army, but I went on to become a successful citizen.' "

Indeed, and that's why we were delighted this week to learn that the old Kiggins House will not be demolished when work begins on Riverwest, the four-square-block project that will include apartments, office and retail space; a central plaza; a new library pending voter approval; and a 700-space underground parking garage. The property is best recognized for the Carr auto dealership, which is being moved to the auto mall near Andresen Road.

As The Columbian's Jeffrey Mize reported Wednesday, the Kiggins House might be moved, but it won't be destroyed. "Under no circumstances would we be a party to seeing that building demolished, no way," said George Killian of Killian Pacific, the company that wants to undertake the project.

City officials are working with a Portland State University graduate student who is searching for an individual or a group that would be willing to move the Kiggins House and the five other buildings.

The Kiggins House might be kept as a part of Riverwest, but if it's moved, we hope it will be to a site nearby. That would conform with the intent of Tom Jones, president of the Esther Short Neighborhood Association, who said: "One of my biggest arguments since I became president is that I didn't want to lose our downtown image, where it is so commercial and modern like downtown Portland. I prefer to keep our rustic look."

A great success story in downtown redevelopment has been Esther Short Park, popular not for steel, glass or asphalt, but for trees, grass and public gathering places. That's the kind of attention to history that should guide the renovation of downtown Vancouver. Let's remain enthusiastic about the future, but whether it's recognizing pioneer woman Esther Short or saving the old Kiggins House for later generations to appreciate, let's not forget the past.
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seems like a good thing to be saving the Kiggins house with its local history and whatnot, but the other five buildings too? is there any significance to those ones?
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I can't remember what other buildings on the street with kiggins look like but whenever I go to Kiggins I always feel like I'm back in the 50's.

Is anything happening on the block that's cleared and fenced north of vancouver center and east of heritage place? It's kitty corner from Eshter short park.
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seems like a good thing to be saving the Kiggins house with its local history and whatnot, but the other five buildings too? is there any significance to those ones?
Here is a picture of the Kiggin's House... ( I couldn't get a picture of the front of the house due to trees along the street)


The rest of the other housing isn't anything special.
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Two more images

Man I hope this project comes together. Primarily for the continued redevelopment of downtown Vancouver, and selfishly for the fact that I work directly across the street, eight floors up, with a great view of the site.

Here are two more images from the Fort Vancouver Regional Library's site.

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That's the one.

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Thanks. I have a few customers downtown and have been in that building for a few TI walk throughs.
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Infrastructure next hurtle in Boise land deal

A group of local investors, lead by Tualatin, Ore.-based Gramor Development, have come together to buy the 29-acre BoiseCascade-owned parcel of land, located along the Columbia waterfront just west of Interstate 5. Investors in the project include Steve and Jo Marie Hansen, George and Paula Diamond, Al and Saundra Kirkwood and Steve and Jan Olivia.

Gramor President Barry Cain said he plans to turn the property into a metropolitan mix of high-end condominiums, restaurants, office space and public open spaces. But before that happens, he and other key players will have to work out some details. The city, Port of Vancouver and the developer are conducting due diligence over the next few months to address some infrastructure issues. The issues include realignment of industrial rail tracks and road construction to connect the area with the downtown grid system. Cain is hopeful the due diligence process will be complete within the next two years. The deal is expected to close by the 1st of the year.
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Angry Project threatens to scar Vancouver a second time

I would have sworn that there was a thread on the I-5 crossing; this article is somewhat relevant here, too, though.

http://www.oregonlive.com/commentary...670.xml&coll=7

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With a nicely refurbished public park, jaunty public market, new hotel and hundreds of new condos, Vancouver stands among the past decade's great downtown comeback stories.

It's so nice you easily can forget what killed it in the first place: Interstate 5.

Sadly, history could repeat itself. Vancouver may have merely gussied itself up for sacrifice again -- for the freeway's 50th birthday.

A task force of 38 elected officials, bureaucrats and members of the public are working hard on the Columbia River Crossing. By name it's an effort to fix the narrow, seismically challenged I-5 bridge. In reality it's a redo of a five-mile "bridge impact zone" stretching from Delta Park to State Route 500.

As anyone who regularly drives it can attest, this stretch of I-5 is a mess. In 20 years, each day will be more "rush hour" than not. Already the bottleneck is clogging the entire West Coast's freight movement. Accident rates run 2.5 times higher than the region's average.

But for little downtown Vancouver, anything but the most brilliantly designed fix will be a disaster.

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All this stuff is very very early in the conceptual stages - they need a lot of work to bring these ideas to fruition. Let's hope they do it - but they've got to tackle transportation issues, parks, street connectivity to the rest of town, what mix of uses they will have, parking, sidewal width, and tons and tons of other issues.

What activities are going to take place in the parks to activate them? Are they going to bring lightrail into downtown? Those two are extremely important questions, and can potentially make or break a downtown - you don't want it to become a place devoid of people (again).
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