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Old Posted Sep 4, 2021, 7:21 PM
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I felt more unsafe in SF than I did in Chicago. In Chicago, you almost have to go out of your way to find trouble where as (my impression) in SF the trouble seems to be more evenly distributed.
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I felt more unsafe in SF than I did in Chicago. In Chicago, you almost have to go out of your way to find trouble where as (my impression) in SF the trouble seems to be more evenly distributed.
That was probably a correct perception because "progressive" government allows blatant psychotics to roam the street everywhere. But they don't shoot people. Sometimes they do stab them. But they aren't focused enough to have "criminal intent" for the most part. What's gone crazy in CA since the legislature made theft of up to $950 a misdemeanor is "minor" property crime like shop-lifting, smash&grab robberies and so forth.

Shootings occur mainly in very limited areas and circumstances in both cities. And over all, SF has a much lower murder rate than Chicago (3/100,000 in SF, 18.6/100,000 in Chicago).
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That was probably a correct perception because "progressive" government allows blatant psychotics to roam the street everywhere. But they don't shoot people. Sometimes they do stab them. But they aren't focused enough to have "criminal intent" for the most part. What's gone crazy in CA since the legislature made theft of up to $950 a misdemeanor is "minor" property crime like shop-lifting, smash&grab robberies and so forth.

Shootings occur mainly in very limited areas and circumstances in both cities. And over all, SF has a much lower murder rate than Chicago (3/100,000 in SF, 18.6/100,000 in Chicago).
Absolutely Correct. Unfortunately, perception is reality and seeing crazy people roaming the streets, encampments, and rampant petty theft and break ins makes it feel unsafe. True of the whole state now
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Absolutely Correct. Unfortunately, perception is reality and seeing crazy people roaming the streets, encampments, and rampant petty theft and break ins makes it feel unsafe. True of the whole state now
Also the open drug use on public sidewalks, directly across from homes where children are playing was an eye opening experience last time I was in SoCal this summer.

The look on tourists' faces on parts of the Venice boardwalk were memorable.

Like "wtf and why did we come here?!"
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Chicago doesn't really feel "safer" than SF to me -- they both feel similar, IMO. At least in terms of the areas that I'm likely to venture in either city. I've walked all through the Tenderloin and never really felt bothered. Once I did so alone while carrying a very expensive camera, and nobody even looked my way. I probably wouldn't walk through the worst areas of Chicago like that.

Vagrancy is more visible in San Francisco, but I don't automatically equate vagrancy with unsafe. Not a lot of places in SF feel desolate, decayed, or overly poverty stricken, which I would be more inclined to associate with safety.
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Also the open drug use on public sidewalks, directly across from homes where children are playing was an eye opening experience last time I was in SoCal this summer.

The look on tourists' faces on parts of the Venice boardwalk were memorable.

Like "wtf and why did we come here?!"
Venice is completely cleaned up. I was there last weekend. It's almost too normal. I didn't see any crazies, druggies or anything. The cops are there, and their presence is known. It's never going back to the show it was. It's actually a upper middle class/rich neighborhood, but the boardwalk gives the impression it's not.

As far as safe between Chicago and SF, I did feel more edge in the tenderloin than downtown Chicago in general, but downtown Chicago does have sketchy parts even in the good areas. Divison/Clark, State/Chicago, Jackson/State are def places you need to be on guard.
Parts of River North at night too.
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I've walked all through the Tenderloin and never really felt bothered. Once I did so alone while carrying a very expensive camera, and nobody even looked my way. I probably wouldn't walk through the worst areas of Chicago like that.

Vagrancy is more visible in San Francisco, but I don't automatically equate vagrancy with unsafe. Not a lot of places in SF feel desolate, decayed, or overly poverty stricken, which I would be more inclined to associate with safety.
The Tenderloin in daylight has areas that are disgusting with homeless tents and filth but that's not really the same as dangerous. We have a new non-profit group called "Urban Alchemy" that hires former homeless and/or offenders to patrol the Tenderloin streets, especially near the UC law school campus which sued the city over conditions and reached a settlement by which the city agreed to clean things up some. They are really doing a good job in certain places but there's just a couple of blocks now that remain really bad because everything's concentrated there near a well-known soup kitchen. Still you can walk through there and nobody will likely bother you: They are all nodding from a recent shot of some opiate (heroin or fentanyl).
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Venice is completely cleaned up. I was there last weekend. It's almost too normal. I didn't see any crazies, druggies or anything. The cops are there, and their presence is known. It's never going back to the show it was. It's actually a upper middle class/rich neighborhood, but the boardwalk gives the impression it's not.

As far as safe between Chicago and SF, I did feel more edge in the tenderloin than downtown Chicago in general, but downtown Chicago does have sketchy parts even in the good areas. Divison/Clark, State/Chicago, Jackson/State are def places you need to be on guard.
Parts of River North at night too.
A few weeks ago I read in the paper that the LAPD and social services made the homeless in Venice leave their street and beach boardwalk encampments for shelters. Not sure if the RV street parkers were told to leave too. If you have to be homeless, you can see the attraction of a beach camp over skid row, which is very dangerous.

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A few weeks ago I read in the paper that the LAPD and social services made the homeless in Venice leave their street and beach boardwalk encampments for shelters. Not sure if the RV street parkers were told to leave too. If you have to be homeless, you can see the attraction of a beach camp over skid row, which is very dangerous.
Glad Los Angeles is doing something about this. The anti encampment ordinance is just a start.
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Old Posted Sep 5, 2021, 6:17 PM
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Chicago doesn't really feel "safer" than SF to me -- they both feel similar, IMO. At least in terms of the areas that I'm likely to venture in either city. I've walked all through the Tenderloin and never really felt bothered. Once I did so alone while carrying a very expensive camera, and nobody even looked my way. I probably wouldn't walk through the worst areas of Chicago like that.

Vagrancy is more visible in San Francisco, but I don't automatically equate vagrancy with unsafe. Not a lot of places in SF feel desolate, decayed, or overly poverty stricken, which I would be more inclined to associate with safety.
I didn't even factor in the Tenderloin in my impression of SF; most people were honestly too strung out there half the time to really pose a threat. It was other areas of the city where vagrants and other locals wandering around who were more aggressive and 'assertive' than in Chicago and other cities. In Chicago, again, you really have to venture out of your way to find people who are going to give you trouble. I've wandered all over Chicago and never had an issue...I just avoided the South and West sides.
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The safety of tourist areas and affluent enclaves mean as much as the walls of Minas Tirth to the citizens of Gondor overlooking a ruined Osgiliath and smoke emanating from Mordor. I don't think you can truly live in peace and comfort with such areas dominating the news. Taxpayers want their money going somewhere useful, not down the drain. Add in the cold weather and it makes some places in the Midwest and NE look unappealing to start a new life unless you can afford such enclaves or are yourself on the lower end of the economic spectrum/immigrant without much baggage. This housing market makes everywhere appealing though it seems.

These Western cities seem more appealing for that reason. Better weather, perceived better nature, more optimism/civic pride, and cleaner government you can expect something from in Boise rather than lining the pockets of some crooked Chi-town alderman or special interest. Going West also plays in the adventurous Manifest Destiny mindset instilled in the blood of most Americans. Even the diverse Village People glorified this and told their fans to "Go West".
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Venice is completely cleaned up. I was there last weekend. It's almost too normal. I didn't see any crazies, druggies or anything. The cops are there, and their presence is known. It's never going back to the show it was. It's actually a upper middle class/rich neighborhood, but the boardwalk gives the impression it's not.

As far as safe between Chicago and SF, I did feel more edge in the tenderloin than downtown Chicago in general, but downtown Chicago does have sketchy parts even in the good areas. Divison/Clark, State/Chicago, Jackson/State are def places you need to be on guard.
Parts of River North at night too.
That's great. The city never should have tolerated people camping on the Venice boardwalk and beach. It's an iconic landmark, that's globally well known. Btw, do you know they went? A couple blocks away?

Are they still under the 405 overpass on Venice Blvd? (that's basically what the boardwalk looked like in July).
https://goo.gl/maps/tjZeYoN7accid5oo7

It was really bad when I was there over the July 4th weekend. We took some bikes out and biked the entire Venice boardwalk from Marina del Rey to Santa Monica. As soon as you crossed the border from LA (Venice) into Santa Monica it cleaned up.

The grass along the Venice stretch was scorched, dead brown, dusty, patchy because it was too full of semi-permanent settlements and filth that the city must've turned off the sprinklers.

I found a YouTube video, you still see some small tents and homeless wandering aimlessly around, but a total turnaround from July. Also notice how green the grass is now, looks like the city turned the irrigation back on.

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Do you know if the homeless encampment along Rose next to Penmar Golf Course has been cleared out as well?

The homes across the street are valued between $1.5 - $3 million each.
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That's great. The city never should have tolerated people camping on the Venice boardwalk and beach. It's an iconic landmark, that's globally well known. Btw, do you know they went? A couple blocks away?

Are they still under the 405 overpass on Venice Blvd? (that's basically what the boardwalk looked like in July).
https://goo.gl/maps/tjZeYoN7accid5oo7

It was really bad when I was there over the July 4th weekend. We took some bikes out and biked the entire Venice boardwalk from Marina del Rey to Santa Monica. As soon as you crossed the border from LA (Venice) into Santa Monica it cleaned up.

The grass along the Venice stretch was scorched, dead brown, dusty, patchy because it was too full of semi-permanent settlements and filth that the city must've turned off the sprinklers.

I found a YouTube video, you still see some small tents and homeless wandering aimlessly around, but a total turnaround from July. Also notice how green the grass is now, looks like the city turned the irrigation back on.

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The boardwalk and beach were cleaned up in early August or so. I know alot of them were moved to housing/motels.
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Old Posted Sep 5, 2021, 8:04 PM
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Do you know if the homeless encampment along Rose next to Penmar Golf Course has been cleared out as well?

The homes across the street are valued between $1.5 - $3 million each.
Not sure, I didn't go over there. But I haven't seen any complaints on reddit about it lately.
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