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Old Posted May 17, 2012, 8:44 PM
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Looks like Joe Ricketts has torpedoed the Wrigley renovation deal his kids were working on. I imagine this will slow or stop related development of the triangle building and the parcels across Clark the family has been picking up.

http://www.chicagobusiness.com/artic...ebuild-wrigley
Good. Ricketts is such a typically hypocritical conservative republican corporate welfare prince.
He has raised Emanuel's ire; poor bastard.

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Old Posted May 17, 2012, 9:59 PM
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This is a really strange situation. On the one hand, it is just business and if the TIF financing is good for both the city and the Ricketts, it will go through. But then again, if Rahm sees this as a threat to his own political connections in Washington or maybe even as a threat to his future campaign, he may hold this deal out as bait...
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Old Posted May 17, 2012, 11:43 PM
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This is a really strange situation. On the one hand, it is just business and if the TIF financing is good for both the city and the Ricketts, it will go through. But then again, if Rahm sees this as a threat to his own political connections in Washington or maybe even as a threat to his future campaign, he may hold this deal out as bait...
It certainly won't be happening any time prior to November. At best this will push it back a couple years, at worst kill it for the duration of Rahm's rule...er...time as mayor. I'm sure Rahm knew full well about the elder Rickett's political leanings but this brings it to the forefront in such a way as to make it impossible to continue supporting any public assistance for the Rickett's family on the Cubs which was facing an uphill battle anyway with Tunney bashing the current plan and the public already skeptical. The perception is now that if the Ricketts have the millions to pour into a anti-Obama superPAC they can well afford to finance their own renovation.

Alternately, Rahm may decide to make an example out of them about what happens when he gets crossed. His praise from most of the business community is borderline worshipful lately. Rahm has a lot of other economic priorities and he may well end up shelving this one indefinitely.
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Old Posted May 18, 2012, 1:40 AM
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I'm against public subsidy, but I think the street closures need to happen. The sidewalks around Wrigley are downright dysfunctional during games and events because of the unbelievable pedestrian volumes. Tunney frames it as this huge burden on the neighborhood but virtually all the buildings on Sheffield and Waveland are private businesses running event space, and anybody who actually LIVES there will appreciate the reduced sidewalk congestion.
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Old Posted May 18, 2012, 12:21 PM
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Good. Ricketts is such a typically hypocritical conservative republican corporate welfare prince.
He has raised Emanuel's ire; poor bastard.
Quite right!...The nerve of the republican establishment to be prepared to spend 11 million in a private financed ad campaign against the nations so called "first Socialist Prez" (Tea Party mantra) and then have their hand out for public subsidy. F*** them and their stadium.

In general I am against all of the public money for private enterprise sports teams. But if that is the only way to get the stadium built then the owners should then pay back that subsidy over a 10 year period with interest.
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Old Posted May 18, 2012, 8:35 PM
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Wrigley field is the Cubs. Ricketts wants the public to pay for the main asset. With the bears and the white sox nobody cares about the park, so the team is the asset. If the bears or white sox move to the burbs or some other place, some fans will follow. At the very least, new fans wou ld replace the old. However, millions of people will not flock from across the country or tune into wgn to watch the scrubs play at some run of the mill park. You move the team you lose millions of dollars in value. Ricketts has little bargaining power. And certainly not enough to puss Rahm off. Ending spending action fund, it is too perfect. End spending by not giving Ricketts a dime of public money.
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Old Posted May 19, 2012, 12:57 PM
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Does anyone know if that is the original brick in some sort of very minimal and panelized facadectomy or did they remake the brick into panels?
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Old Posted May 19, 2012, 4:15 PM
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^Seems pretty unlikely that they would carefully saw through 50,000 of the original bricks, clean them perfectly, then lay them face down into a customised panel mold.
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Yea, it's fresh brick, but at least it's real brick. Seems like a cool, creative use of precast.
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But why this style? Are all their city-bound employees dying for the look of 4+1's and other postwar lowrises? Even Quaker and other food companies try to adopt forward-looking office designs. These guys have Eisenhower frontage and aren't taking advantage of it.
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But why this style? Are all their city-bound employees dying for the look of 4+1's and other postwar lowrises? Even Quaker and other food companies try to adopt forward-looking office designs. These guys have Eisenhower frontage and aren't taking advantage of it.
Architect tried to retain some existing style while adding windows, but it ended up being cheaper to replace brick with precast panels?
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Old Posted May 20, 2012, 7:01 AM
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Architect tried to retain some existing style while adding windows, but it ended up being cheaper to replace brick with precast panels?
I don't know if precast was chosen for cost savings or the speed of installation. Possibly both. A more modern glass facade might require some lead time for manufacturing unless Sara Lee was willing to settle for some generic off the shelf curtain-wall system. The precast system, however, can be manufactured locally in a short amount of time.

It seems like this whole thing has been massively fast-tracked. It was only in December that Sara Lee made the announcement, and now they're already putting up the exterior cladding. At this rate the building should be ready for move-in by fall or even late summer.
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Old Posted May 20, 2012, 3:40 PM
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Haha, I saw those panels on trucks driving south near lake forest on thursday. I was wondering what they were for, now I know. Making brick curve around corners like that is very difficult and labor intensive so it was alot cheaper to make these panels probably. They look pretty good though.
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Old Posted May 20, 2012, 3:52 PM
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But why this style? Are all their city-bound employees dying for the look of 4+1's and other postwar lowrises? Even Quaker and other food companies try to adopt forward-looking office designs. These guys have Eisenhower frontage and aren't taking advantage of it.
This IS after all a real postwar lowrise (of the industrial variety), so I have no problem with it looking like one. They get a chance to have a facade with actual windows while still recalling the building's history.

Precast was probably used because masons and on-site bricklaying in general, let alone curved corners, are expensive nowadays. Plus this floating brick look would have taken a fairly extensive steel support structure if it were laid traditionally.
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^ Agreed.

Drove past this yesterday morning on the way over to the Kennedy (decided to spend the weekend out in the suburbs, far away from the NATO insanity) I'm happy that they've decided to keep that distinctive corner edge, and even more-so with the precast treatment.

Should look great when it's all said and done.
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But why this style? Are all their city-bound employees dying for the look of 4+1's and other postwar lowrises? Even Quaker and other food companies try to adopt forward-looking office designs. These guys have Eisenhower frontage and aren't taking advantage of it.
I think they wanted to preserve the original integrity of the building. I tend to think that's more forward thinking than another glass clad or metal panel building.
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Old Posted May 20, 2012, 7:30 PM
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If it were a building significant to the public or to history, ok ... but I think this gesture will be lost on most of the employees and the public. The brick-on-precast panels themselves look incredibly good; wouldn't mind seeing more of them around the city if chosen well.
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Old Posted May 21, 2012, 1:53 AM
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If it were a building significant to the public or to history, ok ... but I think this gesture will be lost on most of the employees and the public. The brick-on-precast panels themselves look incredibly good; wouldn't mind seeing more of them around the city if chosen well.
I think the inside will be cool. High warehouse ceilings, lots of perimeter glass. Hire an excellent interiors architect and this could be one of the best new downtown office spaces.
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