Trans Canada Highway Twinning: Segments U/C - Page 118

DirectionNorth · #**2341** Posted **Sep 24, 2021, 7:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by JHikka

Sections around Welsford on Route 7 are full freeway standard. As is the section through Camp Petersville.

According to my information, they're 2 lanes. I've added the section as a Super-2.

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Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

Then there are tricky ones like 105 around Fredericton and 111 from Saint John to its Airport.

I have no clue how I missed the first one! I was even thinking about not missing it while making this map.

I think I've finished all the Atlantic Provinces. If I've missed anything else, again, message me please. Going to start QC now.

JHikka · #**2342** Posted **Sep 24, 2021, 7:12 PM**

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Originally Posted by DirectionNorth

According to my information, they're 2 lanes. I've added the section as a Super-2.

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https://www.google.com/maps/@45.4412...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@45.5595...7i13312!8i6656

Dengler Avenue · #**2343** Posted **Sep 24, 2021, 7:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by JHikka

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https://www.google.com/maps/@45.4412...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@45.5595...7i13312!8i6656

The northern beginning of Welshford Bypass only has 2 lanes. As for that short stretch, it’s literally just 4 lanes around the interchange then back to 2 on both ends, much like N.L.-1 around Come By Chance and ON-17 around 69 (Sudbury).

DirectionNorth · #**2344** Posted **Sep 24, 2021, 7:26 PM**

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Originally Posted by JHikka

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https://www.google.com/maps/@45.4412...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@45.5595...7i13312!8i6656

Lack of attention to detail, that's me.

I haven't included the second one, because I don't think that having a very-short, 1 or 2 km stretch of divided highway is enough to qualify as a freeway.

DirectionNorth · #**2345** Posted **Sep 27, 2021, 10:39 PM**

OK, I (think) I'm done QC, NB, NS, PEI, and NFL.

isaidso · #**2346** Posted **Sep 28, 2021, 2:26 AM**

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Originally Posted by Harrison

I made a map for Alberta only a while back showing all highways with 4 lanes or more: https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/ed...ZP&usp=sharing

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Originally Posted by DirectionNorth

I'll start making one.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/ed...2354215844&z=8

They look great. Visual cues are very helpful. Looks like one can almost drive all the way from Halifax to Toronto on a twinned divided highway. And soon from Fort McMurray all the way to the US border.

Franco401 · #**2347** Posted **Sep 28, 2021, 2:57 AM**

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Originally Posted by isaidso

Is there a national map graphic that depicts all twinned highways? It would be helpful to get a visual representation of what's built and where the gaps are.

I HAVE ONE! I have worked on this intermittently for about 8 years and shared it on SSP once. This version is months old and has a couple factual errors, I'll try to upload the more accurate version tomorrow.

In white we have current highways built to freeway standard. They must be controlled-access with no intersections, but there will be small exceptions like the level crossings in Moncton, or the traffic circle in Moncton, or the signalized intersection in Moncton. Get it together, Moncton.

Blue lines are planned and green lines are proposed. The definitions of these get a little blurry. Some blue ones should be green, some green ones are unrealistic and some proposals are so ridiculous as to be excluded. I tried to keep them consistent.

Pink/Red lines are cancelled or removed, and these are the fun ones to research and lay out.

This map is for Google Earth, not Maps, and works in the older desktop version, web app and mobile version.

link.

Harrison · #**2348** Posted **Sep 28, 2021, 3:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by DirectionNorth

OK, I (think) I'm done QC, NB, NS, PEI, and NFL.

Looking great so far!

Nashe · #**2349** Posted **Sep 28, 2021, 7:17 PM**

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Originally Posted by Harrison

Looking great so far!

How long did PEI take you?

DirectionNorth · #**2350** Posted **Sep 28, 2021, 7:21 PM**

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Originally Posted by Vorkuta

How long did PEI take you?

Ten seconds, at least. Maybe 20.

Dmajackson · #**2351** Posted **Sep 29, 2021, 4:23 AM**

In Nova Scotia I'm curious what the distinction is between regular (unmapped) highways, improved 2-lanes and Super 2's?

Highway 224 was built to Super 2 standards as part of Highway 102's original routing. It was bypassed and renumbered but the overpasses and Shubie interchange remain in use.

Trunk 4 along Wentworth is also overbuilt. The northern section from Highway 104 east for quite a few kms has Super 2 style intersection and distance signage. The southern end from Plains Road to about Ski Wentworth has Super 2 style passing lanes. This area was only bypassed in the 90's.

Also Highway 103 has a twinned section around Chester Basin.

Dengler Avenue · #**2352** Posted **Sep 29, 2021, 8:18 AM**

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Originally Posted by Dmajackson

In Nova Scotia I'm curious what the distinction is between regular (unmapped) highways, improved 2-lanes and Super 2's?

Highway 224 was built to Super 2 standards as part of Highway 102's original routing. It was bypassed and renumbered but the overpasses and Shubie interchange remain in use.

Trunk 4 along Wentworth is also overbuilt. The northern section from Highway 104 east for quite a few kms has Super 2 style intersection and distance signage. The southern end from Plains Road to about Ski Wentworth has Super 2 style passing lanes. This area was only bypassed in the 90's.

Also Highway 103 has a twinned section around Chester Basin.

N.B.-130 also has sections like that too, being the old routing of N.B.-2.

DirectionNorth · #**2353** Posted **Sep 29, 2021, 7:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by Dmajackson

In Nova Scotia I'm curious what the distinction is between regular (unmapped) highways, improved 2-lanes and Super 2's?

Highway 224 was built to Super 2 standards as part of Highway 102's original routing. It was bypassed and renumbered but the overpasses and Shubie interchange remain in use.

Trunk 4 along Wentworth is also overbuilt. The northern section from Highway 104 east for quite a few kms has Super 2 style intersection and distance signage. The southern end from Plains Road to about Ski Wentworth has Super 2 style passing lanes. This area was only bypassed in the 90's.

Also Highway 103 has a twinned section around Chester Basin.

My criteria for roads that are 2-lane highways on both sides is that a single grade separation isn't enough, there needs to be multiple separations or a 5km+ (subject to subjectivity, this criteria), or at least some crossings closed. The first and second don't really count.

I'll add the Chester Basin one, though.

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Originally Posted by Dengler Avenue

N.B.-130 also has sections like that too, being the old routing of N.B.-2.

I added that section of the 130, but I'm still not sure about it.

DirectionNorth · #**2354** Posted **Oct 2, 2021, 1:49 PM**

OK, I'm tentatively done Ontario. Certainly missed some sections, though.

swimmer_spe · #**2355** Posted **Oct 2, 2021, 4:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by DirectionNorth

OK, I'm tentatively done Ontario. Certainly missed some sections, though.

In Sudbury, MR55 From the Big Nickel to Lively is divided. Highway 144 from Lively to Chelmsford is considered a super 2, limited access.

North Bay - 17 through the city is 4 lanes, not divided, but controlled access.

Loco101 · #**2356** Posted **Oct 3, 2021, 7:01 AM**

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Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

In Sudbury, MR55 From the Big Nickel to Lively is divided. Highway 144 from Lively to Chelmsford is considered a super 2, limited access.

North Bay - 17 through the city is 4 lanes, not divided, but controlled access.

How is that section of Hwy 144 a Super 2? It has at grade intersections.

isaidso · #**2357** Posted **Oct 3, 2021, 2:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by Franco401

I HAVE ONE! I have worked on this intermittently for about 8 years and shared it on SSP once. This version is months old and has a couple factual errors, I'll try to upload the more accurate version tomorrow.

In white we have current highways built to freeway standard. They must be controlled-access with no intersections, but there will be small exceptions like the level crossings in Moncton, or the traffic circle in Moncton, or the signalized intersection in Moncton. Get it together, Moncton.

Blue lines are planned and green lines are proposed. The definitions of these get a little blurry. Some blue ones should be green, some green ones are unrealistic and some proposals are so ridiculous as to be excluded. I tried to keep them consistent.

Pink/Red lines are cancelled or removed, and these are the fun ones to research and lay out.

This map is for Google Earth, not Maps, and works in the older desktop version, web app and mobile version.

link.

I look forward to you posting the graphic here on SSP.

swimmer_spe · #**2358** Posted **Oct 3, 2021, 3:34 PM**

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Originally Posted by Loco101

How is that section of Hwy 144 a Super 2? It has at grade intersections.

It does, but if you were to dig into the MTO files, like we have had to to build a snowmobile trail across it, you would find out that it is a controlled access highway.

esquire · #**2359** Posted **Oct 4, 2021, 1:07 PM**

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Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

It does, but if you were to dig into the MTO files, like we have had to to build a snowmobile trail across it, you would find out that it is a controlled access highway.

Technically every single provincial trunk highway in Manitoba is designated in legislation as "limited access" according to s. 20 of The Traffic and Transportation Modernization Act, but that just means you can't just build a driveway connecting to one whenever you feel like it... it doesn't mean that they are freeways/super 2s.

MonctonRad · #**2360** Posted **Oct 4, 2021, 1:21 PM**

Agreed. All "limited access" means is no driveways permitted. Anything else goes.