New subdivision developments

[waterloowarrior]

Ashton Creek Estates - 43 estate lots near Ashton (a village of 200 people east of Carleton Place)

[waterloowarrior]

Denley on Minto Manotick

[clynnog]

Originally Posted by waterloowarrior

Ashton Creek Estates - 43 estate lots near Ashton (a village of 200 people east of Carleton Place)

30 minutes from Parliament Hill..that is a stretch..more like about 50 km via 417 etc....not taking into account traffic etc.

Just what we need...more exurbia with no connection to anywhere else.

[clynnog]

Originally Posted by waterloowarrior

Denley on Minto Manotick

Council meeting today on this....I gather it was turned down by Ag/Rural Affairs Committee but what about Planning Committee.

[TransitZilla]

Originally Posted by clynnog

Council meeting today on this....I gather it was turned down by Ag/Rural Affairs Committee but what about Planning Committee.

Planning Committee no longer deals with development applications outside the urban boundary.

[clynnog]

Originally Posted by bradnixon

Planning Committee no longer deals with development applications outside the urban boundary.

Oh boy...do I feel dumb....I haven't been involved in a planning application out in the 'townships' in a long time.

[Cre47]

http://www.ottawasun.com/News/Ottawa...43278-sun.html

Lastest plan is for 1365 new homes in 15 years

[clynnog]

Originally Posted by Cre47

http://www.ottawasun.com/News/Ottawa...43278-sun.html

Lastest plan is for 1365 new homes in 15 years

Should be an interesting Council meeting of motions, counter motions, counter counter motions and then Cullen will start to get involved.

I'm sure that a lot of people in the Tick will be ticked off at this compromise positions as their McMansion lifestyle could have some neighbours.

[Cre47]

The Brooks motion to defeat the proposal passed 19-5 and this will likely head to OMB, so we might not have heard the last about this issue.

[clynnog]

Originally Posted by Cre47

The Brooks motion to defeat the proposal passed 19-5 and this will likely head to OMB, so we might not have heard the last about this issue.

Do you think that Minto or people in Manotick (or both) will appeal this to the OMB. Sounds like the modified proposal would rid itself of any of the dreaded high density (sarcasm mode on....Manotick residents idea of high density starts at townhouses and goes up from there.)

[waterloowarrior]

No Manotick compromise

Ottawa city council votes down Minto proposal to double size of village


Jake Rupert, The Ottawa Citizen

Published: Wednesday, February 13, 2008

Ottawa city council has rejected, by a vote of 19 to five, a development application from Minto that would more than double the size of Manotick.

The move was greeted with praise by several Manotick residents who attended Wednesday's council meeting and were concerned that the development would destroy the character of the village. It also angered Minto's vice-president of land development, Jack Stirling.

Mr. Stirling said he believed the company, Rideau-Goulbourn Councillor Glenn Brooks, and residents from the area had a compromise deal heading into the meeting, and that the company will now have to make a decision on whether to continue looking for a compromise or to appeal council's ruling to the Ontario Municipal Board.

Mr. Stirling has previously said the company would appeal to the board, which can overrule cities' planning decisions, if Minto were turned down.


Under the company's plan, about 1,400 homes would be built over the next nine years and 350 would be built later, including single-family homes, townhouses and semi-detached homes on 430 acres on the southern edge of the village, between Century Road, First Line Road and Main Street.

[waterloowarrior]

City committee ignores experts, OKs lots on land with bad water
Patrick Dare The Ottawa Citizen
Thursday, February 28, 2008

Several of the city's most experienced planning staff members lined up in front of Ottawa's agricultural and rural affairs committee Thursday and implored members not to allow rural lots to be created on land with poor water. Their advice was not taken.

The staff members wanted the committee to support their appeal of a committee of adjustment decision to the Ontario Municipal Board. That committee had given a property owner the right to create three house lots on Stoneridge Road in West Carleton, even though the water on the property is too high in salt.

Grant Lindsay, a manager of development approvals with the city, told councillors the city's planning staff has tried to be flexible when looking at land-development proposals. But he said approving lot severances that are clearly in violation of the city's own official plan and provincial policy is going too far.

"What you see here today is an example where we feel we cannot go," said Mr. Lindsay. "This is not appropriate lot creation."

He said the city was approving construction on land that had substandard water when the number one concern of residents in the rural parts of Ottawa is water quality. And he said there's no need to be creating lots on substandard property because there's a big supply of such lots elsewhere in the city.

Michel Kearney, a hydrogeologist at the city, said that levels of salt and chloride got worse at the property as a test well kept pumping. He said the pumping didn't continue long enough to show where the levels would become stable. He said the deeper you drill for water in this part of the city, the higher the salt content in the water.

Mr. Kearney cautioned the councillors that the health of residents could be at risk and that provincial water guidelines should not be trumped. City officials also said high salt content can damage the water and sewage systems of a house.

City lawyer Christine Enta said provincial regulation requires that rural lots have wells generating water that is safe and aesthetically suitable for consumption.

Planner Terry MacHardy said there are seven developments in the western part of the city in the same general area that are on hold because of water problems. One couple in the Dunrobin area recently complained that their $300,000 house was worthless because their well was producing small quantities of heavily salted water.

Michael Wildman, manager of infrastructure approvals at the city, emphasized that the Ministry of Environment is on the record opposing building on lots where there is more than 200 milligrams of salt per litre of water. The Stoneridge property had 236 milligrams and the numbers appeared to be headed higher, but pumping was halted. Mr. Wildman said it is not possible to treat that level of water to eliminate the salt.

The lawyer for the landowner, Janet Bradley, argued to the committee that the provincial standards on water quality are guidelines, not requirements.


She said there's room for some flexibility in taking into account the local situation. She said in this case, there are 22 lots across the road that are approved for development even though they will have similar water. That development was approved before Ontario's new water standards were brought in during the 1990.

An engineer hired by the landowners said neighbours aren't having big problems with the water and he considers the salt level "acceptable."

A majority of the councillors at the meeting, Glenn Brooks, Doug Thompson and Eli El-Chantiry, agreed and voted not to support the staff. Mr.


El-Chantiry said this small property owner should not become the city's test case for well water. Councillors Rob Jellett and Gord Hunter supported the staff position.

Thursday's 3-2 decision is not reviewed by city council, so the lots will be developed and the planning staff's appeal to the municipal board withdrawn.

Mr. Lindsay served notice that there will be many more such cases that will be brought to the agricultural and rural affairs committee.

© The Ottawa Citizen 2008

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/...03c14e&k=68662

[Cre47]

About Le Plateau in Gatineau and its future development (via public consultations) on the central portions (still vacant)

http://www.ville.gatineau.qc.ca/pren...mpte_rendu.pdf - note the document is in french only

[Aylmer]

Nice!

[clynnog]

Originally Posted by waterloowarrior

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/...03c14e&k=68662

Its fine and dandy that this severance won't be appealed to the OMB, but will they be able to get a building permit. Won't they need Conservation Authority, or Health Unit or MOE approval for this development on private services. At that point, I would think that the approval process will be held up.

I wasn't at the meeting, but I'm surprised that the Ag Committee ignored the pleas of all of their staff members.

[Cre47]

http://www.runge.net/TempDownload/Do.../kk-080229.pdf

See page 8 of the KK edition of Feb 29 about another significant development proposed for Kanata which would be near the proposed Terry Fox Drive extension to the north.

[clynnog]

Originally Posted by Cre47

The Brooks motion to defeat the proposal passed 19-5 and this will likely head to OMB, so we might not have heard the last about this issue.

The OBJ reports that Minto have confirmed that they will appeal this to the OMB. With City Staff recommending approval, City Council will have to retain outside planning experts to defend the City Council position. Historically, situations where City Council have had to retain planning experts to defend their position have not gone well for City Council.

[Dado]

This Manotick case is going to be interesting.

The current Secondary Plan for Manotick basically supports Council's position and that of the residents. Remember that the Council decision was to NOT amend anything. The OMB tends to be very legalistic, so this one isn't as big a slam dunk as one might expect. I'm not sure how staff concluded that this proposal was in keeping with the existing Secondary Plan since it went from allowing a few large lot residences to requesting hundreds of higher density units. That plan doesn't have much to say for it, but it exists. The proposal may be more in keeping with the higher level goals of the OP, but certainly not the Secondary Plan. If Minto were to come up with a proposal for more large lot exurban sprawl, it could be approved without a chance of being successfully opposed.

[clynnog]

[QUOTE=Dado;3396635]This Manotick case is going to be interesting.
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Today's Ottawa Citizen letters section has got a couple of letters angry at Michael Polowin's recent op ed about the need for the OMB and indicating that the developers will win at the OMB.

[harls]

From the Aylmer Bulletin - March 19 Edition

http://www.bulletinaylmer.com/autres.html

Urban village consultation: Large turnout in Le Plateau

Julie Murray

Over 70 residents came to the Deux Ruisseaux primary school, March 12, for a public consultation on development in Le Plateau; they were asked to consider two options for an “urban village” in the heart of Le Plateau. Residents of the area, not the developer, will decide which of the two designs they prefer, said Councillor Alain Pilon, adding, “This is a first for Gatineau. Never before have citizens been involved in such an active way in the development of a residential project.”

The urban village will be located west of Le Plateau Boulevard, on land south of Pink Road, north of Allumettières Boulevard, and east of Vanier Road. Le Plateau development is expected to extend to Vanier Road, attracting up to 15,000 to 20,000 residents, on top of the more than 10,000 people already living in the initial development. Up to 40 new businesses could also be located in the urban village.

Urban village concept

Councillor Alain Riel is a fan of the urban village concept. “All the services will be close by, so people can limit car use.” He says that the urban village will have a pedestrian mall, parks and a public market, giving it a “Roman forum” feel. In an urban village, parks, community centres, homes and businesses, such as boutiques, shops and cafes, are located in proximity, so residents can walk from their homes to have coffee on an open-air terrace, buy fresh bread, attend a cultural activity such as a concert, or watch a soccer game. Urban villages strengthen community ties, improve the quality of life, and leave a smaller “ecological footprint” than traditional developments.