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Old Posted May 20, 2018, 3:13 PM
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Post Maglev: Science experiment or the future of transport?

Source: The International Maglev Board. Picture: http://www.maglevboard.net/images/ba...s/tuerkis3.png from http://www.maglevboard.net/en/about 2018-05-20

Ladies, Gents,

here is an international scientific survey about the future of transport: "Maglev: Science experiment or the future of transport?"

The focus of this academic, non-profit survey concerns the prospects and limitations of magnetic levitation (Maglev) transport technologies, including hyperloop projects, urban / cargo / high speed maglevs.

It is not a quick & easy survey. And it is anonymous.

The survey is oriented to the public interest, works independently and, as a basic tenet, does not represent any commercial interests. The THD, Technical University of Applied Sciences, CERM Institute, Germany, is conducting this survey for the International Maglev Board (IMB), a certified non-profit organization.

The survey is availiable in 4 languages:

English: https://survey.th-deg.de/index.php/673959?lang=en
Russian: https://survey.th-deg.de/index.php/673959?lang=ru
German: https://survey.th-deg.de/index.php/673959?lang=de
Chinese: https://survey.th-deg.de/index.php/673959?lang=zh-Hans

There are 22 questions in the survey that should take you less than 10 minutes to complete. The results will be published in September 2018 and will be made public / downloadable as pdf.

We would really appreciate if you would take some time for anonymously sharing your views on this topic with the research team.

Thank you for your time and interest

Best regards

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Old Posted May 22, 2018, 12:11 AM
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Given that the Chinese decided not to go with the technology for their national HSR network, and in fact have left the Shanghai Maglev as an expensive white elephant of middling usefulness, I'd say that maglev is very unlikely to be the future of transport.
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Definitely worth 10 minutes of time
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What is needed is magnetic levitation where the trains can slide on a magnetic platform and be able to pass each other.
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What is needed is magnetic levitation where the trains can slide on a magnetic platform and be able to pass each other.
you could have one track in the middle of the two tracks for passing and gps would know if its safe to pass. the trains couldnt be real long though because that would be pretty unsafe. if there was something on the tracks you could go around it.
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Better to not have tracks and have the trains skate on a wide magnetic platform, once that sort of thing is invented. Being more like a road you could run multiple services long and short range on the same route.
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Better to not have tracks and have the trains skate on a wide magnetic platform, once that sort of thing is invented. Being more like a road you could run multiple services long and short range on the same route.
ya thats true
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Can you have a track in the middle of these two tracks for passing and gps would know if its safe to pass.

the trains couldnt be real long though because that would be pretty unsafe. if there was something on the tracks you could go around it. Here I found more info about magnetism

Furthermore, I have read many news related to maglev and other principles at toptenscience

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Toronto Zoo ‘maglev’ train floats closer to reality as board approves proposal

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- Toronto Zoo directors are on board with a proposal to magnetically float visitors between animal exhibits. The board of the city-owned zoo voted unanimously Thursday to signal its willingness to host a magnetic levitation “people mover” system if Edmonton-based Magnovate Technologies can get the proposal off the ground. — The automated cars would glide, either alone or in clusters, above the track of the defunct monorail that used to take visitors into otherwise inaccessible parts of Canadian Domain and other exhibits. Magnovate wants to showcase its version of “maglev” technology that uses electromagnets to levitate and propel trains in parts of China and Japan. — The company would pay to build the five-stop ride and split with the zoo revenue from fees forecast to be $12 to $15 per ride. After 15 years the zoo would get ownership of the ride, with Magnovate on contract to maintain it.

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The Northeast Maglev, currently building as the Baltimore Washington Rapid Rail, would be the fastest train. This incredible project is based on the already developed technology existing in Japan as the SCMaglev, the hyperloop killer, and a proven, superior solution to our transportation woes. American Rail Club's Demetrius Villa interviews NEM's project director David Henley to discuss the planning, timeline, and reality behind America's most ambitious infrastructure project in history. New York City to Washington DC in 60 minutes



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Better to not have tracks and have the trains skate on a wide magnetic platform, once that sort of thing is invented. Being more like a road you could run multiple services long and short range on the same route.

why not? that works for air hockey so we know it works!

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China unveils 600km/h maglev train prototype

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- A new floating bullet train capable of hitting speeds of 600 kilometers per hour (about 372 miles/hour) is one step closer to reality in China. On Thursday, the body prototype for the country's latest high-speed magnetic-levitation (maglev) train project rolled off the assembly line in the eastern Chinese city of Qingdao. Developed by the state-owned China Railway Rolling Stock Corporation (CRRC) -- the world's largest supplier of rail transit equipment -- the sleek-looking train is scheduled to go into commercial production in 2021 following extensive tests.

- Those involved with the project are optimistic it will completely transform China's travel landscape, filling the gap between high-speed rail and air transportation. — "Take Beijing to Shanghai as an example -- counting preparation time for the journey, it takes about 4.5 hours by plane, about 5.5 hours by high-speed rail, and [would only take] about 3.5 hours with [the new] high-speed maglev," said CRRC deputy chief engineer Ding Sansan, head of the train's research and development team, in a statement.

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Supersonic trains to be developed by Geely Holding and CASIC

https://www.globalrailwayreview.com/...holding-casic/

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- Zhejiang Geely Holding Group (Geely Holding) has signed a strategic framework agreement with China Aerospace Science and Industry Corporation (CASIC) to cooperate on the development of supersonic trains and related technologies. --- Among the areas of technology cooperation, the proposed supersonic trains will use magnetic levitation (Maglev) technologies to eliminate ground friction and vacuum tubes to reduce air resistance. The supersonic trains are positioned as the next generation of mobility, offering safe, comfortable, highly adaptable, environmentally-friendly, ultra-high-speed transportation. Maglev high-speed train technology has already developed a proven track record in China, which has the most operational Maglev tracks in the world.

- Chairman of Zhejiang Geely Holding Group, Li Shufu, said: “The strong alliance between our two sides is built on a foundation of common pursuits, which will become an inspiration in cross industry strategic cooperation to others. We will lay the groundwork for developing core technologies for the next generation of transportation, transform and upgrade related industries for high-quality development and build an interconnected industrial infrastructure which in turn will promote future innovation.” Technologies developed through the realisation of supersonic trains will help Geely Holding advance the fields of new energy vehicles, automotive safety and new material science. As part of the framework agreement, Geely Holding will contribute expertise in intelligent manufacturing and commercial operations, enabling CASIC to maximise its strengths in technological research and development, industrial internet and smart supply chain.

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China laying tracks for 1,000km/h maglev trains

https://www.asiatimes.com/2019/10/ar...maglev-trains/

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- China aims to again take the lead in the new global race to make bullet trains travel even faster. By harnessing the power of magnetic levitation, it is believed trains will be able to accelerate from the current 350km/h on conventional tracks to between 600 and 1,000km/h. Changjiang Daily, the official mouthpiece of Wuhan, capital city of Hubei, reported at the end of last month that experimental maglev tracks would be laid in the central province early next year. It cited a key survey carried out by a design institute for the China Railway Group Limited. It was tasked with conducting a feasibility study for a sprawling new network stretching from Guangzhou to Beijing on which trains could travel at between 600km/h and 1,000km/h. If the concept of maglev trains swinging inside a vacuum tube can be put into practice. The exceptionally high speed means that once operational, a 2,200-km journey from Wuhan to Guangzhou could be reduced to about two hours.

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Post results of the maglev survey


Ladies, Gents,

The results of the survey to which we invited you are now available.

The results have been published on the international science platform Researchgate.net and are available to you free of charge.

Here is the link to the platform, where you can then download the publication as a PDF file:

https://www.researchgate.net/publica...eel-Wheel-Rail

The study is scientific and was developed with the intensive cooperation of students, doctoral students and many experts. The results paint a clear picture on the subject of Maglev.

We would like to emphasize once again that this is a scientific and uncensored study financed by the International Maglev Board. The International Maglev Board is a globally oriented non-profit organization, very similar to this Skyscraper City Forum.

We look forward to hearing your opinion on the study. We also like to read critical or negative comments, as this can support a meaningful further development of the survey.

Best regards, jok

https://www.maglevboard.net/en/press/publications

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This promo video of Transrapid is cool but also makes me sad because well you know.
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Obviously maglev has proven it's technological viability but that is hardly the issue.

The issue is not, does "does it work?" but rather is it worth the money. It's called value for the dollar and is the untold billions that it would take to build it worth sacrificing all that money on one project as opposed to building a whole slew of projects that would carry many more passengers and many more destinations.

China has always been big on vanity projects but due to just printing money and controlling it's currency and banking system, this has allowed China to build many dubious infrastructure projects and especially housing developments.
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Obviously maglev has proven it's technological viability but that is hardly the issue.

The issue is not, does "does it work?" but rather is it worth the money. It's called value for the dollar and is the untold billions that it would take to build it worth sacrificing all that money on one project as opposed to building a whole slew of projects that would carry many more passengers and many more destinations.

China has always been big on vanity projects but due to just printing money and controlling it's currency and banking system, this has allowed China to build many dubious infrastructure projects and especially housing developments.
It's not even a matter of cost. It's a matter of values. Do people value rail transit here? No. Why? Because almost every living soul alive in 2020 grew up in the automobile age. Only a few cherished old-timers still pine for the days of rail. I don't joke about this. My 97 year old grandma is a huge rail fan and advocate. She grew up traveling between the family farm in Alberta and her families old home in Parry Sound, Ontario traveling by rail. She also loves the LRT and was one of the first commuters to use it when she worked at the flagship Bay on Jasper Avenue in Edmonton.

Europeans, Chinese and Japanese and now Russians, Koreans, Turks, etc know and value their HSR programs. I seriously doubt a single nation has never regretted it once it was built even if it went horribly over budget. Why? Because it's a useful piece of infrastructure.

As for value for dollar? I agree. Conventional HSR is much better at that now because it's been widely adopted and mass produced. Transrapid has only been built in smaller test sites including Shanghai. Want it to be a worldwide tech? We need to sign onto a global system that would call for tens of thousands of miles of globally linked track that would cost a fraction per mile due to economies of scale. Will it happen? Probably not. Should it happen. You bet your sweet bippy whatever the hell that is... ;-)
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I appreciate that the US may not really value it's rail system but it does come down to value for the money. Is it better to spend $100 billion on a 1000 km of track that can go 500km/hr or use that same money to build 3000 km of 250km/hr track? Is that money on the maglev that may carry 20,000 passenger a day in just one corridor not better spent on urban transit that would serve many different corridors in many different cities and carry millions of passengers a day?

There is also a question of equity. These expensive to build maglevs would also come with the expensive fare prices hence subsidizing tourists and business people who don't need any government help as opposed to spending the same amount on urban transit that will help the people that need it most...……..the poor, working class, seniors, disabled, and all people who rely on transit for their lives and livelihoods.
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