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N90 · #**4961** Posted **Aug 28, 2018, 8:15 AM**

2018

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tdawg · #**4962** Posted **Aug 28, 2018, 2:22 PM**

^ That's a great angle except that the Frost Bank Tower is blocked.

ATXboom · #**4963** Posted **Aug 28, 2018, 4:32 PM**

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Originally Posted by tdawg

^ That's a great angle except that the Frost Bank Tower is blocked.

Unless owners decide to jack it up a few hundred feet, Frost is going to be buried from most angles in the next 3 years. It will have to be a hidden gem to be discovered from within

ATXboom · #**4964** Posted **Aug 28, 2018, 4:50 PM**

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Originally Posted by wwmiv

Some data^ on skylines for those cities which anchor comparable US metro areas to Austin's (roughly those between ~1.9 and ~2.5 million*) IF you define a highrise building to be any with a height above 200' (as was done above):

Charlotte, 2.53 million, 43 completed buildings taller than 200' with an average height of 376' -- the 5 under construction towers at 632', 378', 372', 280', and 252' will not change that average
Orlando, 2.51 million, 21 completed buildings taller than 200' with an average height of 329'
San Antonio, 2.47 million, 26 completed buildings taller than 200' with an average height of 312' and the 3 additional towers under construction at 386', 314', and 247' will not change the average height
Portland, 2.45 million, 58 completed buildings taller than 200' with an average height of 279' and the 2 additional towers under construction at 358' and 325' will push the average to 281'
Pittsburgh, 2.33 million, 64 completed buildings taller than 200' with an average height of 336'
Sacramento, 2.32 million, 17 completed buildings taller than 200' with an average height of 312'
Las Vegas, 2.20 million, 108 completed buildings taller than 200' with an average height of 371'
Cincinnati, 2.18 million, 45 completed buildings taller than 200' with an average height of 303'
Kansas City, 2.13 million, 41 completed buildings taller than 200' with an average height of 317'
Austin, 2.12 million, 52 completed buildings taller than 200' with an average height of 322' and the 12 additional towers under construction (or in site prep) at 690', 542', 459', 446', 419', 397', 387', 386', 330', 247', 236', and 222' will push the average to 336'
Columbus, 2.08 million, 30 completed buildings taller than 200' with an average height of 332' and there's one under construction tower for which I can't find a height
Cleveland, 2.06 million, 45 completed buildings taller than 200' with an average height of 329' and the 1 under construction tower at 380' will push that average to 330'
Indianapolis, 2.03 million, 38 completed buildings taller than 200' with an average height of 303' and the 1 under construction building at 290' will decrease that average to 302'
San Jose, 2.00 million, 19 completed buildings taller than 200' with an average height of 248'
Nashville, 1.90 million, 38 completed buildings taller than 200' with an average height of 323' and the 5 under construction towers at 550', 460', 345', 289', and 267' will increase that average to 330'

Some observations (using stats from data including both completed and under construction towers):

1. Vegas is the indisputable winner in our weight class in both height (371' average) and mass (108 buildings over 200')

2. The only other notable stand-out for average building height is Charlotte (376'), with everyone else between 300' and 340' except San Jose (at 248') and Portland (at 281')

3. Outside of Vegas, which has many more 200'+ buildings than any other city in this weight class, there are notable tiers in quantity of these highrises:

Pittsburgh (64), Austin (63), and Portland (60) are tier 1
Cleveland (46), Cincinnati (45), Charlotte (43), Nashville (43), Kansas City (41), and Indianapolis (39) are tier 2
Columbus (30) and San Antonio (29) are tier 3
Orlando (21), San Jose (19), and Sacramento (17) are tier 4.

Overall, taking bulk and height, I'd rank the skylines like this:

X. City (# / average / tallest)

1. Vegas (108 / 371' / 1150')
2. Pittsburgh (64 / 336' / 841')
3. Austin (63 / 322' / 683')
4. Charlotte (45 / 376' / 871')
5. Portland (60 / 281' / 546')
6. Cleveland (46 / 330' / 947')
7. Nashville (44 / 332' / 617)
8. Cincinnati (45 / 303' / 665')
9. Kansas City (41 / 317' / 624')
10. Indianapolis (39 / 302' / 811')
11. Columbus (30 / 330' / 624')
12. San Antonio (29 / 312' / 750')
13. Orlando (21 / 329' / 441')
14. Sacramento (17 / 312' / 430')
15. San Jose (19 / 248' / 286')

Consider the two skylines we were talking about: Austin and Charlotte. What is currently in the development pipeline that hasn't started turning dirt? If we include those buildings in our data Austin simply blows Charlotte out of the water and looks to be starting to give Las Vegas a run for its money:

Austin, 2.12 million, 85 highrises at 355' average height, tallest building at 848'
Charlotte, 2.52 million, 52 highrises at 372' average height, tallest building at 871'

Even if you only include the most serious Austin proposals, Austin still is potentially at 75 highrises above 200' within 10 years with these buildings having an average of 344'. We simply don't currently have an 850' + building dragging up our average height. Instead, we have breadth as was noted above. To expand on ILUVSAT's numbers above, I think this shows why I think that although Austin already has a larger skyline (if currently lacking a big tall signature building) it will soon have a substantially bulkier skyline with equal height:

Completed:

800 PLUS: AUS: 0 / CHA: 1
700-800: AUS: 0 / CHA: 1
600-700: AUS: 1 / CHA: 1
500-600: AUS: 3 / CHA: 3
400-500: AUS: 8 / CHA: 9
300-400: AUS: 16 / CHA: 12
200-300: AUS: 24 / CHA: 16

Completed + Under Construction / Site Prep:

800 PLUS: AUS: 0 / CHA: 1
700-800: AUS: 0 / CHA: 1
600-700: AUS: 2 / CHA: 2
500-600: AUS: 4 / CHA: 3
400-500: AUS: 11 / CHA: 9
300-400: AUS: 20 / CHA: 14
200-300: AUS: 27 / CHA: 17

Reliable Proposals:

800 PLUS: AUS: 1 / CHA: 1
700-800: AUS: 1 / CHA: 1
600-700: AUS: 2 / CHA: 2
500-600: AUS: 5 / CHA: 3
400-500: AUS: 11 / CHA: 9
300-400: AUS: 23 / CHA: 16
200-300: AUS: 32 / CHA: 19

All Proposals:

800 PLUS: AUS: 1 / CHA: 1
700-800: AUS: 1 / CHA: 1
600-700: AUS: 4 / CHA: 2
500-600: AUS: 7 / CHA: 3
400-500: AUS: 11 / CHA: 9
300-400: AUS: 28 / CHA: 16
200-300: AUS: 33 / CHA: 19

^data is mostly from skyscraper forum database with other sources used to supplement

*I chose this range because (1) to include both Austin and Charlotte) and because there are (2) no clear gaps in size between the 15 metropolitan areas in this range with no gap being larger from one MSA to the next, when ordered sequentially, than 121k and only 3 gaps larger than 50k and (3) because, in turn, there are obvious gaps in size between the largest city within this range (Charlotte at 2.52 million) and the next largest cities of St. Louis, Baltimore, and Denver (at 2.81, 2.81, and 2.89 million, respectively, with a minimum gap in population between Charlotte and St. Louis of 282k) as well as the smallest city in this range (Nashville at 1.90 million) and the next smallest cities of Norfolk (1.73 million, a gap from Nashville of 178k), Providence (1.62 million), Milwaukee (1.58 million), and Jacksonville (1.54 million)

GREAT DATA / RESEARCH! Thanks for tracking all of this down.

Urbannizer · #**4965** Posted **Aug 28, 2018, 6:18 PM**

Photos from the past week.

Third + Shoal

Third + Shoal by Darius Fontenette, on Flickr

Austin Proper

Austin Proper by Darius Fontenette, on Flickr

Austin Marriott Downtown (second crane is now up)

Marriott Hotel Downtown by Darius Fontenette, on Flickr

Block 71

Block 71 by Darius Fontenette, on Flickr

SXSW Headquarters

SXSW HQ by Darius Fontenette, on Flickr

MUZE

Muze by Darius Fontenette, on Flickr

Inspire on 22nd

Inspire on 22nd by Darius Fontenette, on Flickr

The Nine at Rio

The Nine at Rio by Darius Fontenette, on Flickr

Ruckus 2.0

Ruckus 2.0 by Darius Fontenette, on Flickr

The Nine

The Nine by Darius Fontenette, on Flickr

Texas Facilities Commission North Austin Complex

Texas Facilities Commission North Austin Complex by Darius Fontenette, on Flickr

Villages at The Triangle

Villages at The Triangle by Darius Fontenette, on Flickr

Villages at The Triangle by Darius Fontenette, on Flickr

4009 Marathon

4009 Marathon by Darius Fontenette, on Flickr

Urbannizer · #**4966** Posted **Aug 28, 2018, 6:22 PM**

The Carpenter Hotel

The Carpenter by Darius Fontenette, on Flickr

Cityview

CityView by Darius Fontenette, on Flickr

Hotel Magdalena

Hotel Magdalena by Darius Fontenette, on Flickr

KevinFromTexas · #**4967** Posted **Aug 28, 2018, 7:10 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by wwmiv

Some data^ on skylines for those cities which anchor comparable US metro areas to Austin's (roughly those between ~1.9 and ~2.5 million*) IF you define a highrise building to be any with a height above 200' (as was done above):

Charlotte, 2.53 million, 43 completed buildings taller than 200' with an average height of 376' -- the 5 under construction towers at 632', 378', 372', 280', and 252' will not change that average
Orlando, 2.51 million, 21 completed buildings taller than 200' with an average height of 329'
San Antonio, 2.47 million, 26 completed buildings taller than 200' with an average height of 312' and the 3 additional towers under construction at 386', 314', and 247' will not change the average height
Portland, 2.45 million, 58 completed buildings taller than 200' with an average height of 279' and the 2 additional towers under construction at 358' and 325' will push the average to 281'
Pittsburgh, 2.33 million, 64 completed buildings taller than 200' with an average height of 336'
Sacramento, 2.32 million, 17 completed buildings taller than 200' with an average height of 312'
Las Vegas, 2.20 million, 108 completed buildings taller than 200' with an average height of 371'
Cincinnati, 2.18 million, 45 completed buildings taller than 200' with an average height of 303'
Kansas City, 2.13 million, 41 completed buildings taller than 200' with an average height of 317'
Austin, 2.12 million, 52 completed buildings taller than 200' with an average height of 322' and the 12 additional towers under construction (or in site prep) at 690', 542', 459', 446', 419', 397', 387', 386', 330', 247', 236', and 222' will push the average to 336'
Columbus, 2.08 million, 30 completed buildings taller than 200' with an average height of 332' and there's one under construction tower for which I can't find a height
Cleveland, 2.06 million, 45 completed buildings taller than 200' with an average height of 329' and the 1 under construction tower at 380' will push that average to 330'
Indianapolis, 2.03 million, 38 completed buildings taller than 200' with an average height of 303' and the 1 under construction building at 290' will decrease that average to 302'
San Jose, 2.00 million, 19 completed buildings taller than 200' with an average height of 248'
Nashville, 1.90 million, 38 completed buildings taller than 200' with an average height of 323' and the 5 under construction towers at 550', 460', 345', 289', and 267' will increase that average to 330'

Some observations (using stats from data including both completed and under construction towers):

1. Vegas is the indisputable winner in our weight class in both height (371' average) and mass (108 buildings over 200')

2. The only other notable stand-out for average building height is Charlotte (376'), with everyone else between 300' and 340' except San Jose (at 248') and Portland (at 281')

3. Outside of Vegas, which has many more 200'+ buildings than any other city in this weight class, there are notable tiers in quantity of these highrises:

Pittsburgh (64), Austin (63), and Portland (60) are tier 1
Cleveland (46), Cincinnati (45), Charlotte (43), Nashville (43), Kansas City (41), and Indianapolis (39) are tier 2
Columbus (30) and San Antonio (29) are tier 3
Orlando (21), San Jose (19), and Sacramento (17) are tier 4.

Overall, taking bulk and height, I'd rank the skylines like this:

X. City (# / average / tallest)

1. Vegas (108 / 371' / 1150')
2. Pittsburgh (64 / 336' / 841')
3. Austin (63 / 322' / 683')
4. Charlotte (45 / 376' / 871')
5. Portland (60 / 281' / 546')
6. Cleveland (46 / 330' / 947')
7. Nashville (44 / 332' / 617)
8. Cincinnati (45 / 303' / 665')
9. Kansas City (41 / 317' / 624')
10. Indianapolis (39 / 302' / 811')
11. Columbus (30 / 330' / 624')
12. San Antonio (29 / 312' / 750')
13. Orlando (21 / 329' / 441')
14. Sacramento (17 / 312' / 430')
15. San Jose (19 / 248' / 286')

Consider the two skylines we were talking about: Austin and Charlotte. What is currently in the development pipeline that hasn't started turning dirt? If we include those buildings in our data Austin simply blows Charlotte out of the water and looks to be starting to give Las Vegas a run for its money:

Austin, 2.12 million, 85 highrises at 355' average height, tallest building at 848'
Charlotte, 2.52 million, 52 highrises at 372' average height, tallest building at 871'

Even if you only include the most serious Austin proposals, Austin still is potentially at 75 highrises above 200' within 10 years with these buildings having an average of 344'. We simply don't currently have an 850' + building dragging up our average height. Instead, we have breadth as was noted above. To expand on ILUVSAT's numbers above, I think this shows why I think that although Austin already has a larger skyline (if currently lacking a big tall signature building) it will soon have a substantially bulkier skyline with equal height:

Completed:

800 PLUS: AUS: 0 / CHA: 1
700-800: AUS: 0 / CHA: 1
600-700: AUS: 1 / CHA: 1
500-600: AUS: 3 / CHA: 3
400-500: AUS: 8 / CHA: 9
300-400: AUS: 16 / CHA: 12
200-300: AUS: 24 / CHA: 16

Completed + Under Construction / Site Prep:

800 PLUS: AUS: 0 / CHA: 1
700-800: AUS: 0 / CHA: 1
600-700: AUS: 2 / CHA: 2
500-600: AUS: 4 / CHA: 3
400-500: AUS: 11 / CHA: 9
300-400: AUS: 20 / CHA: 14
200-300: AUS: 27 / CHA: 17

Reliable Proposals:

800 PLUS: AUS: 1 / CHA: 1
700-800: AUS: 1 / CHA: 1
600-700: AUS: 2 / CHA: 2
500-600: AUS: 5 / CHA: 3
400-500: AUS: 11 / CHA: 9
300-400: AUS: 23 / CHA: 16
200-300: AUS: 32 / CHA: 19

All Proposals:

800 PLUS: AUS: 1 / CHA: 1
700-800: AUS: 1 / CHA: 1
600-700: AUS: 4 / CHA: 2
500-600: AUS: 7 / CHA: 3
400-500: AUS: 11 / CHA: 9
300-400: AUS: 28 / CHA: 16
200-300: AUS: 33 / CHA: 19

^data is mostly from skyscraper forum database with other sources used to supplement

*I chose this range because (1) to include both Austin and Charlotte) and because there are (2) no clear gaps in size between the 15 metropolitan areas in this range with no gap being larger from one MSA to the next, when ordered sequentially, than 121k and only 3 gaps larger than 50k and (3) because, in turn, there are obvious gaps in size between the largest city within this range (Charlotte at 2.52 million) and the next largest cities of St. Louis, Baltimore, and Denver (at 2.81, 2.81, and 2.89 million, respectively, with a minimum gap in population between Charlotte and St. Louis of 282k) as well as the smallest city in this range (Nashville at 1.90 million) and the next smallest cities of Norfolk (1.73 million, a gap from Nashville of 178k), Providence (1.62 million), Milwaukee (1.58 million), and Jacksonville (1.54 million)

For San Antonio, by my count, with the help of our old "original" World Almanac list for San Antonio, plus what I've compiled so far over the years with the help of Google Earth, I have come up with 40 buildings over 200 feet. That number includes the new Frost Bank Headquarters, but not the other new 200 footers that haven't quite gone vertical yet, even though they are under construction. This also doesn't include the Tower of the Americas or the Alamodome. There are 5 other buildings over 200 feet that are under construction, but they have reached anywhere near that height yet.

For Austin, I have 64 buildings counted over 200 feet. These include the ones that are under construction that have reached that height. There are also two more under construction that will reach that height, and two more that are doing site prep. Once those are done, Austin will have 70 buildings over 200 feet sometime after 2020. There are also 22 more buildings proposed that will be at least 200 feet tall, plus one more that I'm expecting to be at or very close to 200 feet. So, right now Austin has enough buildings in the pipeline that we could end up with 93 buildings over 200 feet within 4 to 5 years.

Austin also now has 218 high rises that are either complete, under construction or that are doing site prep. All of these heights I have either come from the building elevations or from Google Earth. Most of the newer buildings are from building elevations, while most of the older ones have been measured with Google Earth.

photoLith · #**4968** Posted **Aug 28, 2018, 9:50 PM**

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Originally Posted by N90

2018

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Instaskyline

colemonkee · #**4969** Posted **Aug 29, 2018, 4:26 AM**

If the project brief for Inspire on 22nd required the design to maximize irony when saying the name, the architects hit a grand slam...

drummer · #**4970** Posted **Aug 29, 2018, 8:17 AM**

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Originally Posted by N90

http://i.imgur.com/C3l67v6.png

Hey Genral, you're up there in years...err...life experience! Do you remember when they knocked that volcano down to plot out the UT campus?

KevinFromTexas · #**4971** Posted **Aug 29, 2018, 7:32 PM**

https://communityimpact.com/austin/c...sign-approval/

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Two projects proposed as Austin’s tallest towers earn unanimous design approval Monday

By Christopher Neely | 9:45 pm Aug. 27, 2018 | Updated 9:51 pm Aug. 27, 2018

Two projects, totaling 1,546 feet in height and 2 million square feet and separated by only two downtown blocks, moved forward Monday night following design approvals.

If the projects earn final approval, they would each eclipse Austin’s current tallest building, The Independent at 801 W. Fifth St., which stands at 685 feet.

The 6th + Guadalupe mixed-use project at 600 Guadalupe St. is proposed to stand as Austin’s tallest tower at just over 837 feet, totaling 1,133,430 square feet. Just two blocks south at 401 W. Fourth St., The Republic office and retail project would stand as Austin’s second-tallest structure, reaching roughly 708 feet high and encompassing 920,500 square feet.

Both projects earned unanimous approval from Austin’s Design Commission, which provides advisory recommendations to the City Council on urban design standards.

JAYNYC · #**4972** Posted **Aug 29, 2018, 7:57 PM**

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Originally Posted by KevinFromTexas

https://communityimpact.com/austin/c...sign-approval/

Austin is on fire! Look out, Dallas!

Urbannizer · #**4973** Posted **Aug 29, 2018, 8:43 PM**

17th Street Hotel

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An 18-story hotel could rise on what is currently a drab downtown parking lot at 17th and Lavaca streets.

New Orleans developer HRI Properties LLC has filed an application with the city of Austin to build a 214-room hotel at 1620-1624 Lavaca Street. That’s catty-corner from the Hampton Inn and Suites and across from El Mercado Restaurant.

The project jumped through its first big hurdle Monday night when the Austin Design Commission agreed the hotel met the city’s urban design guidelines. It was one of several steps the developers needed in order to take advantage of the city’s downtown density bonus program.