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Old Posted May 3, 2013, 3:50 PM
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Argo Tea is fronting the bill to rehab Connors Park




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Any idea when this is supposed to be complete? I live near it but haven't seen anything. I think it will be interesting to say the least. I'm hoping it brings some life to that little area. I love public spaces and wish people would utilize them more socially (Mariano Park at the Viagra Triangle to the north is pretty well utilized in the warmer months though).

There is a little bit there in the summer months...Sofitel has some lounge seating outside across the street, Goddess and Grocer and Cru are right around the corner too, and McCormick and Schmick's has some outdoor seating. I really wish someone would take the commercial/retail space at 50 E Chestnut, but I'm guessing since it's never been leased...it's too expensive.

Anyway, here's hoping that this will be "something."
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River North 'flagship' McDonald's

Another thing that's mind-numbing about the McDonald's (apart from the horrible use of land/urban form, etc) is that McDonald's actually had 3 or 4 options to go with on the design - they had great architects including Helmut Jahn, I believe Dirk Lohan among them submit their proposals. And they actually went with the (by far) worst of the choices from their own architects......that was such a ridiculous decision. I'm afraid with the amount of buildable land available in River North, it may be a long, long while before this property gets redeveloped (but yet that day will assuredly come, as some consolation)....
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Old Posted May 3, 2013, 4:42 PM
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Fast food chains typically reclad whenever possible, unless they need a dramatically larger building or addition/expansion of the drive-thru.

I do admit, it's pretty unusual to see fast food chains build their prototype single-story design without drive-thru or parking. The only one I can think of is the McD's at Chicago/State. Usually if the area's dense enough to go without parking/drivethru, it's dense enough that the chain will open as a tenant in a multistory building.
I hate to say it--but the McDonald's at State and Chicago actually does have a drive-thru, even though it's a little hidden.
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Old Posted May 3, 2013, 5:46 PM
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Why can someone not build on them!
^ Ohh, somebody will.

Time is money. Every day the value of that real estate grows and grows, and as other sites get developed, hungry investors will be offering big bucks for these lots. But that is still many years away...
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Old Posted May 3, 2013, 5:47 PM
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Another thing that's mind-numbing about the McDonald's (apart from the horrible use of land/urban form, etc) is that McDonald's actually had 3 or 4 options to go with on the design - they had great architects including Helmut Jahn, I believe Dirk Lohan among them submit their proposals. And they actually went with the (by far) worst of the choices from their own architects......that was such a ridiculous decision. I'm afraid with the amount of buildable land available in River North, it may be a long, long while before this property gets redeveloped (but yet that day will assuredly come, as some consolation)....
i actually remember seeing this in a book or something a while back. and if i remember, the jahn McDs was pretty cool... problem is, the giant parking lot was still part of it. i personally am glad it wasn't done by a big name architect or firm because then i'd have mixed feelings about it. i think it's best, in this case, to be able to hate it 100%
and regarding the state street McDs: i don't understand why so many people find this one acceptable. honestly, the only thing that sets it apart is that nasty park that is pointless and no one uses... again, beating a dead horse, but no free standing McDs is acceptable as they completely destroy the urban flow imo.
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oh yeah! i just drove by this... wow! did this get built over night!? i never noticed it until today, and i'm in the area once a week at least. anyway, can't wait for this to open! really great use of that piece of land. the gold coast is really transforming into a very new york-esque part of town. (ugh, i hate that i just described it that way, sorry )
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Signage for the new Chik-fil-A at State and Lake is up...

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god, why are some many people afraid of big buildings?! this isn't Park Ridge guys! i drive around the streets of Edgewater sometimes for an hour before i find a parking spot because that's the inconvenience that comes with driving a car. this is a fucking CITY; accept it!
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Signage for the new Chik-fil-A at State and Lake is up...
Closed on Sunday and gays need not apply, what a perfect fit for State Street.
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god, why are some many people afraid of big buildings?! this isn't Park Ridge guys! i drive around the streets of Edgewater sometimes for an hour before i find a parking spot because that's the inconvenience that comes with driving a car. this is a fucking CITY; accept it!
Those NIMBY's will lose.

They can only win against the University by voting a district dry. And that doesn't apply here.

Buahahahahahaha!
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^Hasn't that happened before? Wasn't the 39th precinct voted dry to block the redevelopment of the Doctors Hospital?
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Seriously.

How about one of these? Obviously sans drive-thru or with a shrunken one...

This raises an interesting hypo I've considered in re: chains on prime land... between (1) a surface parking lot surrounding a building set way back from the property line vs. (2) an otherwise urban-formed building with a wraparound drive-through lane, I'd much rather have the drive-through. Think Portillo's at Clark/Ontario as opposed to... well, the subject Wendy's.
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Old Posted May 3, 2013, 8:48 PM
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^Hasn't that happened before? Wasn't the 39th precinct voted dry to block the redevelopment of the Doctors Hospital?
^ Yes, but Doctors Hospital was supposed to be redeveloped into a hotel. You can't have a real, first rate hotel without a liquor license.

But this is an apartment building. Not a big deal, and there are plenty of options for ground level commercial space without a liquor license.

Lets think about it--why did the community vote the district around Doctors Hospital dry? Because they knew that their Alderman was not going to take a stand against the University, and that was the only way they were going to be able to block the hotel from being built.
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Old Posted May 3, 2013, 8:54 PM
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^ Yes, but Doctors Hospital was supposed to be redeveloped into a hotel. You can't have a real, first rate hotel without a liquor license.

But this is an apartment building. Not a big deal, and there are plenty of options for ground level commercial space without a liquor license.

Lets think about it--why did the community vote the district around Doctors Hospital dry? Because they knew that their Alderman was not going to take a stand against the University, and that was the only way they were going to be able to block the hotel from being built.
Ah, yes, yes, yes. Hence, "doesn't apply here". I got ya.
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This raises an interesting hypo I've considered in re: chains on prime land... between (1) a surface parking lot surrounding a building set way back from the property line vs. (2) an otherwise urban-formed building with a wraparound drive-through lane, I'd much rather have the drive-through. Think Portillo's at Clark/Ontario as opposed to... well, the subject Wendy's.
Wraparound drive thru lanes don't always bother me... if they're done correctly. I own a car and drive it [way too fucking much], so trust me, I occasionally love a good drive thru. Cars are a part of life, and some accommodations must be made for them. That said, a city's primary function, or should be in my opinion, is to accommodate people. So architects must make delicate consideration when designing something to accommodate cars. In a similar way that parking podiums can be very nice, I think the drive thru can be successfully executed. Many banks have awful wraparound style drivethrus, but Portillo's for example does a very nice job of integrating one while maintaining the urban character within a pedestrian zone (funny because that area is very unfriendly for the pedestrian). Clearly, site lines and minimal curb cuts are key.

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I suppose this impacts local businesses or banks, but national chains often don't want to deviate from the template, and that template calls for a front driveway that necessitates a front setback. Sometimes the site is too tight for this, and then the building usually has a smaller front setback with an outdoor patio or some other useless feature taking up space. Being on a corner helps as well; curb cuts to the side street reduce the impacts on the (pedestrian-oriented) major street.
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god, why are some many people afraid of big buildings?! this isn't Park Ridge guys! i drive around the streets of Edgewater sometimes for an hour before i find a parking spot because that's the inconvenience that comes with driving a car. this is a fucking CITY; accept it!

Amen to that. I'm with TUP on this one - I think the yokels are going to lose this one big time. There's a certain enlightenment that has caught on a bit among the decision-makers in some neighborhoods - including Hyde Park. I did get a brief chuckle at DNAinfo's overly dramatic description of the project as "hyper-modern"......
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Closed on Sunday and gays need not apply, what a perfect fit for State Street.
The second half is false and there might be a silver lining to the first half - it's strange to locate on State and not be open Sundays, but customers will be driven into the hands of other restaurants, which should help increase the availability of other eating options. Looking into the personal opinions of owners of consumer businesses is just something that is not done in this day and age - if it were, American Apparel would be boycotted (there is no end to stories of Dov Charney's disgusting behavior) and the list would just be endless.
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Fast food chains typically reclad whenever possible, unless they need a dramatically larger building or addition/expansion of the drive-thru.

I do admit, it's pretty unusual to see fast food chains build their prototype single-story design without drive-thru or parking. The only one I can think of is the McD's at Chicago/State. Usually if the area's dense enough to go without parking/drivethru, it's dense enough that the chain will open as a tenant in a multistory building.
With all this talk of rebuilding of McDonald's restaurants, I remembered another one that's undergoing complete reconstruction in Bucktown - the drive-thru at Milwaukee and Western on the large thru-block site. At least we are getting rid of some more mansard streetscape.
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I suppose this impacts local businesses or banks, but national chains often don't want to deviate from the template, and that template calls for a front driveway that necessitates a front setback. Sometimes the site is too tight for this, and then the building usually has a smaller front setback with an outdoor patio or some other useless feature taking up space. Being on a corner helps as well; curb cuts to the side street reduce the impacts on the (pedestrian-oriented) major street.
A good example of a low impact drive-thru will be at the new PNC Bank at1601 W Division. Entrance will be from Division, next to the alley east of Wendy's, proceed under the building, make a turn to the east, then exit right on Ashland southbound. The actual drive-thru is virtually unseen except for the two curb cut entrance/exit. The street wall is maintained as well as the pedestrian designation.
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