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Ce projet est immense !!! Ils prévoient réaliser ça sur combien d'années ?
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A completely new environment, in a place that has long been a "no-man's land". Incredibly ambitious. Looks near or at the old Kraft Factory. any movement on this project?
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A completely new environment, in a place that has long been a "no-man's land". Incredibly ambitious. Looks near or at the old Kraft Factory. any movement on this project?
Public consultation has been done in mid December and others are scheduled for January. Site prep is under way with many buildings demolished on site.

In this (French) interview, there are video shots of the demolition.

https://twitter.com/rdimatin/status/1075383197809045504
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de la Savane station is way too far from downtown Monteal. It's on the orange line so you would either have to ride it all the way down to Lucien L'Allier or Bonaventure or transfer onto the green line at Lionel Groulx. And it's not really surrounded by Westmount or Hampstead so the spending power from the wealthy is really not there. All the Westmount would still be shopping in the Golden Square Mile or Cote des Neiges north of Van Horne if they are looking for bargain. Hampstead would be shopping at Monkland Village or the Golden Square Mile or in Cavendish Mall and/or the future Decarie Square once it's revitalized if they want something closer or cross the Decarie Blvd. to shop along Queen-Mary if they want something cheap. It's on the border of TMR which its residents would not like it when they are now being sandwiched by this huge mega-project that's going to jam up the roads and the upcoming REM which is sending all of the trains to their backyard before moving onto other lines. And TMR is mostly single-family housing, yes they are rich but how much purchasing power are they going to get from them especially when they have their own boutique style shops right on Chemin Canora. And if they want to go to a bigger mall, there is Centre Rockland. Would they want to go all the way to Royalmount? I don't know.

So all the purchasing power left is really the 15K residents that the developer is hoping to bring in from their 6K unit residential project. Would 15K residents really want to live there? So far from downtown montreal? And right beside that huge cemetary? What do they plan to do with that cemetary? Are they planning to demolish that cemetary and move all of that buried remains elsewhere or are they planning to build right beside it? I don't know about you but shopping and/or living right beside a cemetary kind of creeps me out.

I am with Valérie Laplante on this one. This project does not mesh well with its surroundings and puts tremendous strain on the local road traffic but seeing that it's breaking ground, I guess somebody in the Hotel de Ville got "convinced". But this one's got white elephant written all over it.
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de la Savane station is way too far from downtown Monteal. It's on the orange line so you would either have to ride it all the way down to Lucien L'Allier or Bonaventure or transfer onto the green line at Lionel Groulx. And it's not really surrounded by Westmount or Hampstead so the spending power from the wealthy is really not there. All the Westmount would still be shopping in the Golden Square Mile or Cote des Neiges north of Van Horne if they are looking for bargain. Hampstead would be shopping at Monkland Village or the Golden Square Mile or in Cavendish Mall and/or the future Decarie Square once it's revitalized if they want something closer or cross the Decarie Blvd. to shop along Queen-Mary if they want something cheap. It's on the border of TMR which its residents would not like it when they are now being sandwiched by this huge mega-project that's going to jam up the roads and the upcoming REM which is sending all of the trains to their backyard before moving onto other lines. And TMR is mostly single-family housing, yes they are rich but how much purchasing power are they going to get from them especially when they have their own boutique style shops right on Chemin Canora. And if they want to go to a bigger mall, there is Centre Rockland. Would they want to go all the way to Royalmount? I don't know.

So all the purchasing power left is really the 15K residents that the developer is hoping to bring in from their 6K unit residential project. Would 15K residents really want to live there? So far from downtown montreal? And right beside that huge cemetary? What do they plan to do with that cemetary? Are they planning to demolish that cemetary and move all of that buried remains elsewhere or are they planning to build right beside it? I don't know about you but shopping and/or living right beside a cemetary kind of creeps me out.

I am with Valérie Laplante on this one. This project does not mesh well with its surroundings and puts tremendous strain on the local road traffic but seeing that it's breaking ground, I guess somebody in the Hotel de Ville got "convinced". But this one's got white elephant written all over it.
The city of Montréal never approved the project. It was approved by Ville Mont-Royal, which as a demerged city, has complete jurisdiction on the development of its territory. By all means, there's very little the city can do to block this project. This being said, they're still discussing with the promoter to find ways to improve the project and reduce its negative impacts. That's how the residential phase came about (it wasn't in the original plans). As for cemeteries, living next to them shouldn't be a problem. There are tons of those in the middle of residential areas in Montreal. The two cemeteries that surround Sauvé station and the Notre-Dame-des-Neige cemetery close to Université de Montréal are great examples of urban cemeteries in the city.
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The city of Montréal never approved the project. It was approved by Ville Mont-Royal, which as a demerged city, has complete jurisdiction on the development of its territory. By all means, there's very little the city can do to block this project. This being said, they're still discussing with the promoter to find ways to improve the project and reduce its negative impacts. That's how the residential phase came about (it wasn't in the original plans). As for cemeteries, living next to them shouldn't be a problem. There are tons of those in the middle of residential areas in Montreal. The two cemeteries that surround Sauvé station and the Notre-Dame-des-Neige cemetery close to Université de Montréal are great examples of urban cemeteries in the city.
It's outrageous that one city approves a project that's going to have another city bearing all of the burdens of supporting it. The project might be located in TMR but all of the roads, subway, buses that's going to bring all the stuff and people to that project are all located in the city of Montreal, all of their water, sewer are all provided to them by the city of Montreal. And they are making it worse by adding a residential component, exacerbating the traffic congestion problem further? LOL

Yes it's common to live right beside cemeteries but usually in quiet peaceful dwellings or buildings, either single-family housing neighbourhoods like Outremont, at most low-rise buildings on the other side of huge streets of the cemetery like in Côte-des-Neiges, or scholarly buildings like in Université de Montréal's case but never with high-density 6000 unit high-rise buildings with 15K people, hustling and bustling and then with huge rowdy water parks entertainment centres right beside. Forget about in reverence to the dead and respect for the deceased, has anybody looked at the potential damage to the burial structure in the cemetery and the health risk to the people who will be living and/or working and shopping right beside from potentially disturbing the buried remains? With building such a substantial project that includes both commercial and residential that requires digging deep into the ground for the foundation of the buildings? And with the possibility of bacteria, bacteria that we might not even have cures for being able to stay alive in corpses for thousands of years, wouldn't this be tremendous health risk should those dangerous bacteria from the disturbed buried remains due to the construction process contaminate the soil and/or seep through to the groundwater infrastructure? Psychological factors aside, although I stand to be corrected, this to me are major risks that should be examined further before actually permitting the construction for such a project to go ahead. There is a reason behind the saying "Rest in Peace" and the surrounding environment around burial places are to remain quiet and peaceful and even somber.

I don't know. I don't see this project succeeding. You don't create a "city centre" by just constructing clusters of buildings that are arbitrary to its surrounding environment no matter how "eco-friendly" you advertise it to be. A very good example of it is the North York City Centre that Toronto's former mayor Mel Lastman (that mayor that called in the Canadian Army to help out with that winter storm in Toronto, yes that's the one) tried to create a city centre by constructing a whole bunch of buildings even with a subway station in northern of the city very much like this Royalmount project thinking that would entice people to go there and transform it into a hub, a "city centre". It never did. It has a bit of activity during weekday mornings when people work there but once people finish work there, the whole area becomes empty. You hardly see anybody hanging around there during weekends. I fear this project that is costing so much to build might meet the same fate, meantime creating all those congestion for nothing. You cannot tell people where they want to live and hang out. You have to let people decide first naturally where they want to congregate and then you see the needs then you build the facilities and the structure to support it. City centres have to form organically and naturally.

Anyway, we shall see.

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It's outrageous that one city approves a project that's going to have another city bearing all of the burdens of supporting it. The project might be located in TMR but all of the roads, subway, buses that's going to bring all the stuff and people to that project are all located in the city of Montreal, all of their water, sewer are all provided to them by the city of Montreal. And they are making it worse by adding a residential component, exacerbating the traffic congestion problem further? LOL
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An excellent example of why the merger (fusion, une île, une ville) was a good idea, and de-mergers (défusions) were a bad one.

Merci Monsieur Charest!
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An excellent example of why the merger (fusion, une île, une ville) was a good idea, and de-mergers (défusions) were a bad one.

Merci Monsieur Charest!
Les années Charest/Marois ont été les années pauvres intellectuellement du Québec. Tellement de mauvaises décisions purement électoralistes.
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An excellent example of why the merger (fusion, une île, une ville) was a good idea, and de-mergers (défusions) were a bad one.

Merci Monsieur Charest!
A city should get to have a say in any project that uses its resources. If it's city of Montreal that's providing all the support and resources to this future Royalmount project, it should have a chance to approve or suspend this project otherwise city of Montreal should cut off water and sewer services to Royalmount.
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Les années Charest/Marois ont été les années pauvres intellectuellement du Québec. Tellement de mauvaises décisions purement électoralistes.
Jamais trop tard à changer!
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Jamais trop tard à changer!
En fait, les choses ont déjà changé. Le 1er octobre dernier.

Par contre, je ne suis pas sûr que la CAQ soit intéressée par une autre série de réorganisations municipales, même si on pourrait en profiter pour corriger les erreurs des "défusions".
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Les années Charest/Marois ont été les années pauvres intellectuellement du Québec. Tellement de mauvaises décisions purement électoralistes.
La légende raconte que c'est Roch Cholette, député libéral de Hull à l'époque aujourd'hui recyclé en animateur style radio-poubelle, qui aurait lancé l'idée des défusions lors d'une séance de stratégie préélectorale de l'équipe Charest.

C'était purement électoraliste. Il n'y avait rien de visionnaire là-dedans. C'est surtout Montréal qui en paie le prix aujourd'hui, quoique heureusement la majeure partie de la ville fusionnée (une île une ville) a survécu aux vagues défusionnistes.
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De toute façon, globalement pour la région de Montréal ça demeure un bon projet. C'est mieux que de le réaliser en lointaine banlieue ce qui favoriserait l'étalement urbain. Et honnêtement, c'est pas pire que le 10-30.

Puis avec le développement actuel du centre ville de Montréal, je ne crois pas que la mairesse devrait 'inquiéter de ce projet.
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Je ne demeure pas à mont royal mais je continue de croire que dans le fond c’est un bon projet de densification dans un endroit de toute façon bien densifié, près du métro. Mais j’imagine que le maire a ses raisons et comme je ne connaîs pas la dynamique de ce coin et les enjeux, il est difficile de se prononcer.

Mais selon vous… que pensez vous de ce projet si on retire les considérations politiques qui semblent miner ce dernier.
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Je ne sais pas vraiment ce que je ressens à ce sujet. J'aime l'idée d'une densification urbaine accrue à cet endroit, pour les raisons que vous avez décrites. Mais je me demande également si la taille de ce projet entraînera l'échec des complexes commerciaux à proximité (par exemple, Rockland).
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Je ne sais pas vraiment ce que je ressens à ce sujet. J'aime l'idée d'une densification urbaine accrue à cet endroit, pour les raisons que vous avez décrites. Mais je me demande également si la taille de ce projet entraînera l'échec des complexes commerciaux à proximité (par exemple, Rockland).
À mon sens, ce projet est encore plus pertinent. Avec la tendance du magasinage en ligne et la nouvelle dynamique qui s'installe avec le télétravail, le concept work, live play va prendre de l'ampleur.

Quant aux complexes traditionnels, pour les mêmes raisons, le modèle d'affaire tel qu'on le connait ne tient plus et doit être revu. Ils doivent se réinventer et y intégrer davantage de mixité afin d'assurer leur survie.
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