noirish Los Angeles - Page 279

FredH · #**5561** Posted **Dec 19, 2011, 6:24 AM**

Boy, I loved those Clifton's shots! I thought it was all in good taste...but I grew up in Cleveland, so what do I know.

ethereal_reality · #**5562** Posted **Dec 19, 2011, 6:26 AM**

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Originally Posted by rick m

The Scarff St. Teed house fully cleaned/painted this last month with all trees neatly trimmed and sod laid down-it is 3 lots above where I volunteer Saturdays @ OneArchives

Thank you for volunteering Rick_M.

FredH · #**5563** Posted **Dec 19, 2011, 6:52 AM**

O.K., let me get this out of my system

Look at the house on Teed Street right in the middle of the picture

Los Angeles, California, 1894. Drawn & lithographed by B. W. Pierce.

Looks like the J.W. Robinson mansion

Now lets go back a little:

Los Angeles, California, 1894. Drawn & lithographed by B. W. Pierce.

The street that runs right under the mansion is Belle Vue

Now in 1909:

Los Angeles 1909. Compiled by Worthington Gates. Western Litho Co.

It looks like Belle Vue has been changed to Sunset

So, the mansion being located at the corner of Teed and Belle Vue makes sense.

One more:

Could this be where Teed Street used to come out on Ord Street?

Google Street View

O.K. that's it...

I deserve it

3940dxer · #**5564** Posted **Dec 19, 2011, 7:35 AM**

L.A. Times May 16, 1941

安二郎andini · #**5565** Posted **Dec 19, 2011, 7:55 AM**

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Originally Posted by FredH

I enjoyed your screen shots of Little Tokyo. I spent almost 20 years working in the area, so I am pretty familiar with it.
Here is a "before and after" of one of your screen shots, using Google Street View:

Before, Weller Street:

The Crimson Kimono

Now, Astronaut Ellison S. Onizuka Street:

Google Street View

Mr. Onizuka was killed in the space shuttle Challenger accident and the street was renamed in his honor.
You can see a replica of the space shuttle at the other end of the street.

The Nisei Week Festival noted on the banner in the screen shot is still held every year, by the way:

mymodernmet.com

Hey! If they're serving Kirin, I'm there.

Thanks for the pics, FredH!
Glad you enjoyed the Crimson Kimono shots!

Bilbo · #**5566** Posted **Dec 19, 2011, 11:49 AM**

thanks 3940dxer for the Mcafee clip - I am surprised anyone noticed - I thought his nose always looked like that !!

GaylordWilshire · #**5567** Posted **Dec 19, 2011, 1:19 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by rick m

The Scarff St. Teed house fully cleaned/painted this last month with all trees neatly trimmed and sod laid down-it is 3 lots above where I volunteer Saturdays @ OneArchives

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

Thank you for volunteering Rick_M.

I second that emotion, Rick, re OneArchives. I keep a file on each house I find reference to on Adams Boulevard, demolished and extant, from about Main Street west. One corner that has always proven elusive photographically is the northwest of Adams and Scarff.... The insurance maps I've seen indicate a small house or structure set well back from Adams, apparently built sometime after 1909. There are some photos of small houses from various sources that are possibilties, but I've never seen anything definitive. Now I know you don't spend your Sunday volunteer time at OneArchive doing urban archaeology--and not that I think you'd be able to turn up any evidence of the former occupant of the site there--but maybe one Sunday you could catch a cellphone shot of the newly denuded Teed house on Scarff for us....

GaylordWilshire · #**5568** Posted **Dec 19, 2011, 1:47 PM**

As for the Robinson house on Teed Street... I can't let go.... Here is an 1891 aerial map. (It depicts the house in the few years between
Robinson and Ford versions, as FredH's 1894 map appears to show the latter's round turret--see bottom pic here.)

Historic Map Works
Also notice some of the old street names--Montreal, Philadelphia, etc.

Historic Map Works

And...

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Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire

LATFeb 7, 1892
Now, where is Rosas Street?

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Originally Posted by FredH

Los Angeles, California, 1894.

Thank you FredH--now we've found Rosas Street. Looks like it eventually became N. Hill Place.

Los Angeles Past · #**5569** Posted **Dec 19, 2011, 7:26 PM**

The line on the map for Teed St. appears to be dotted. This suggests to me that at some point in the past, its legal status was changed from a public road to a private easement. It may be that underground utilities still exist along the old right of way, and an exclusive easement was created to maintain DWP access to them after the adjacent properties were redeveloped.

-Scott

westcork · #**5570** Posted **Dec 19, 2011, 7:58 PM**

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Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire

As for the Robinson house on Teed Street... I can't let go.... Here is an 1891 aerial map. (It depicts the house in the few years between
Robinson and Ford versions, as FredH's 1894 map appears to show the latter's round turret--see bottom pic here.)

Historic Map Works
Also notice some of the old street names--Montreal, Philadelphia, etc.

What is that diamond shaped object near Temple and Custer?

GaylordWilshire · #**5571** Posted **Dec 19, 2011, 8:33 PM**

It's either someone's garden maze or the portal to the underground space station in 2001: A Space Odyssey. Very strange.

ethereal_reality · #**5572** Posted **Dec 19, 2011, 9:15 PM**

A baseball diamond for giants.

ethereal_reality · #**5573** Posted **Dec 19, 2011, 9:26 PM**

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Originally Posted by FredH

I just found this great shot of the Clover Trailer Park from the movie Cry Danger. The caption reads: Dick Powell, Richard Erdman, and Jean Porter wait between shots.

www.electricearl.com
Courtesy of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences

Check out the great old house across the street, just loaded down with gawkers.

The old tires leaning up against the fence railing add a real touch of class to the place!

I somehow missed this great photo & post the first time around. I had to laugh out loud at the house "loaded with gawkers".
I never would have noticed them without you pointing it out.

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This is the house FredH highlighted above. It is the only house in the area that could be a contemporary to the J.W. Robinson House.

google street view

Most of the area is full of horrific buildings like this. This is just across the street (to the west) from where the J.W. Robinson house once stood.

google street view

It's hard to imagine this area was once bucolic hills dotted with stately homes.

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I wish someone who has a copy of 'Cry Danger' would download the drive up to the Clover Trailer Park. After all this J.W. Robinson talk I'm dying to see what this area looked like in the 1940s.

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ethereal_reality · #**5574** Posted **Dec 19, 2011, 10:27 PM**

The 1909 map posted earlier by FredH.

above: It looks as if Ord Street used to continue up to Hill Street (now North Hill Place) instead of taking that severe right turn.

below: The view today with the missing segment of Ord Street.

google street view

...and it looks like there might have been stairs at one point as well. Did these stairs parallel Ord at this steep grade?
(if you look closely there are three or four 'stepped' stones just this side of the more solid line)

google street view

....of course it could just be a property line, but that isn't nearly as interesting.

below: The Ord Street Turn.

google street view

GaylordWilshire · #**5575** Posted **Dec 19, 2011, 11:07 PM**

LAPL

A member of the Junior League doing her volunteer work: she's apparently taking handicapped children for
a ride in her chauffeur-driven car, perhaps to the Junior League Home for Convalescent Children located
at 1153 N. Westmoreland Avenue--now the site of a school.

FredH · #**5576** Posted **Dec 20, 2011, 2:06 AM**

etheral_reality:

That area where Ord Street extends up the hill is exactly where the Clover Trailer Park was located in the 1951 movie.

Here are screen shots of North Hill Place from Cry Danger. Unfortunately, all the shots were taken from across the street,
so you cannot see the houses on that side.

Cry Danger, RKO Radio Pictures

Cry Danger, RKO Radio Pictures

I think as ratty as that house across the street (the one with the gawkers) looked in 1951, it is probably long gone.

As long as I am started on Cry Danger, here are some more screen shots:

Dick Powell and Rhonda Fleming drive past a gas holder...just for our enjoyment:

Cry Danger, RKO Radio Pictures

Third Street, up on Bunker Hill:

Cry Danger, RKO Radio Pictures

The Los Amigos bar, directly across the street from the Angel's Flight station on Olive Street:

Cry Danger, RKO Radio Pictures

Across Third Street from the Los Amigos is the Angel's Flight Cafe:

Cry Danger, RKO Radio Pictures

The Angel's Flight Cafe was one of the main settings in the 1965 movie called Angel's Flight, staring Indus Arthur and
William Thourlby (the original Marlboro Man). This movie took place in the dying years of Bunker Hill and may have never made it to the theaters.

The Angel's Flight Cafe (sorry about the crappy image):

Angel's Flight (1965), produced by John Bushelman

ethereal_reality · #**5577** Posted **Dec 20, 2011, 2:45 AM**

FredH this is exactly what I wanted to see!! (not the other side of the street)
I had no idea this house actually appears in 'Cry Danger'. I only mentioned it because of its age.

google street view

You can see the house in the three scenes below.

Quote:

Originally Posted by FredH

etheral_reality:

That area where Ord Street extends up the hill is exactly where the Clover Trailer Park was located in the 1951 movie.

Here are screen shots of North Hill Place from Cry Danger. Unfortunately, all the shots were taken from across the street,
so you cannot see the houses on that side.

Cry Danger, RKO Radio Pictures

So I take it you knew all along that this house appears in the film FredH? I had NO idea since I haven't seen 'Cry Danger'.
It's so great to see a connection with a film noir from 60 years ago!! I would rent this place out in a minute.

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rick m · #**5578** Posted **Dec 20, 2011, 3:29 AM**

Gaylord W.- If you can attend our 60th anniversary event @ One in mid 2012 you'll get to see a 3 x 4 W.Adams map I recently whipped up featuring all the homes (and school and church) that comprised the street from Figueroa to Hoover -- including the Tudor built in 1909 by the De Camps -later held by the socializing Chester Brown family. In the 30s, #909 became (with its large gardens) the home of the USC sorority Alpha Delta Pi - by WW2 the Delta Tau Delta frat owned this property and either burnt the home down or raised funds to build the brick edifice as a replacement frathouse -- which today is where the One Archives exists. A grainy photo from L.A.Times archives (Aug 1, 1909) is all I've found. Contacting current sorority leadership hasn't produced a reply- surely they have preserved photo albums- not like the Delts who were banned from USC after a MAJOR "Animal House" period in the early 70s.Bad boys don't care for such history! .. The DeCamps probably first lived here in a smaller Queen Anne but got into the Tudor style when chafing over the old Victorian... I will soon shoot the Teed house---