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^I'm not sure why that would be the case while that wouldn't be the case with the current design. It seems like there will require quite a bit of shifting around with the retail operations anyway while required structural elements are constructed.
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^I'm not sure why that would be the case while that wouldn't be the case with the current design. It seems like there will require quite a bit of shifting around with the retail operations anyway while required structural elements are constructed.
Because much more surface area would have to be altered to support a “groundscraper”. With current design they are most likely doing a central core with with targeted support columns wherever it fits in the current footprint. I’m not a structural engineer so I could be totally wrong here just my observation. Also keep in mind that the macys building is a landmark so going taller in a smaller surface area is probably the least instructive to the original structure.
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I love the exterior glazing, looks a lot like the Viceroy Hotel in Chicago.
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Much more interesting than a tower shaft grafted onto the roof of Macy's would be a stepped wedding cake of clear glass that enveloped the entire perimeter but maybe half as tall. This current proposal reminds me of those little matchbox cars from the 90s where the front was like a schoolbus the middle a limousine or something and the back a garbage truck... Am I the only one?
As somebody else mentioned, they want to disrupt the store as little as possible. I’m feeling like they should make the floor plates a little smaller. That would generate a little less bulk, and a little more height, making the tower soar more. As is, its another huge tower on the 34th street corridoor that’s not inspired on the skyline. The Spiral and 50 Hudson, both towers over 1,000 ft tall, hardly seem to soar, unless you’re standing beneath them. Vornado, I’m sure, will present more bulkiness along 34th street with it’s towers. This will be a signature tower for Macy’s, highlighting it’s flagship, a great New York institution. I just wish the design was something that could stand out a bit more. That’s becoming harder to do in Manhattan, unless there’s an extraordinary design.
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Looks very cool, but this supposed to be a supertall rather than just being an 800-footer. To be honest, I really don’t like new buildings shorter than 1,000 feet, except for 55 Hudson Yards and other buildings that were built after 2015.
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hmm, ok so you will find me from time to time on the rooftop of the metro hotel enjoying watching this rise.
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Macy’s Needs Another Miracle on 34th Street
Retailer wants to add its own skyscraper to Manhattan’s office glut



By Kim Bhasin , Jordyn Holman , and Natalie Wong
May 27, 2021


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Jeff Gennette, the chairman and chief executive officer of Macy’s Inc., knows people are talking about his big bet on New York City. And that they might even think he’s out of his mind.

This month, Gennette said he’s still committed to building a multi-billion-dollar skyscraper atop the company’s Herald Square flagship — plans that city officials, developers and the retail industry thought the pandemic might force him to scrap. He also said Macy’s would invest $235 million in the area surrounding the store.
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The projects, as Gennette envisions them, will convert a thoroughfare marked by unpleasant transit hubs and 99-cent pizza shops into a gleaming, pedestrian-friendly, urban oasis dedicated to American style and consumption.

Yet a lot more is riding on Gennette’s blueprints than an office tower and a neighborhood revitalization. As New York City begins to reawaken after 14 months of Covid hibernation, Gennette sees a Macy’s rebound as dependent on the city’s comeback, and vice versa.

“New York City is Macy’s and Macy’s is New York City,” said Gennette. “This is the right project. This is the right asset. We want to do it carefully. This is our crown jewel.”
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Macy’s fortunes have long been tied to the vitality of the city that is home to its best-performing store and most valuable real estate. The largest department store in the U.S., the Herald Square mothership sits at two of the busiest pedestrian intersections in the country. It already spans 2.5 million square feet — slightly bigger than the Louvre in Paris — with an eight-story sprawl of handbags, dresses and home goods that lure locals and visitors from around the world. The new tower would add an additional 1.5 million square feet of office space.

Becoming a real-estate developer may well be Macy’s best survival strategy. Department stores and the malls they anchor are in freefall across the U.S. When Gennette assumed the top position in 2017, the company was already thinking about ways to monetize its real estate in some places and cut its losses in others.
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In a restructuring announced before the pandemic struck, the company said it would close 125 of its then 525 stores. It also abandoned a second home base in Cincinnati and closed a digital division in San Francisco. New York is Macy’s sole headquarters now.

Getting city officials to back the developments will be a grueling process, one that tripped up Amazon.com Inc. two years ago. Gennette’s timing isn’t the best, either. Like other urban centers, New York has seen an outflow of residents, a spike in gun violence, a decline in property tax revenue and a tsunami of restaurant and small-business closures from the pandemic.
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”There’s been a lot of conversations about, hey, do we need more office space in the city right now?” said Gennette, 60. “This is the long play.”

The CEO brimmed with confidence as he sipped coffee in the same oak-paneled room on the 13th floor of Macy’s headquarters where the 1947 movie, Miracle on 34th Street, was filmed. Gennette has been coming into the office regularly, in a blazer but no tie, commuting from his home in Brooklyn between trips to regional stores.

He’s looked over 3D models of his gleaming glass tower and how it’ll reshape the skyline, as architects work on the final design. He has begun talks with developers, though Gennette wouldn’t say which ones or how much the project would cost. They’ve not yet struck a deal.

In recent years, with new developments like Hudson Yards and renovations to Pennsylvania Station, the subway and train hub a block away, Midtown Manhattan’s center of gravity is moving south toward Herald Square, Gennette said. If he’s to take advantage of that shift, he’ll need to clear many hurdles, including the city’s multiple layers of rezoning red tape. He’ll also need to assuage clashing community interests, ranging from neighborhood activists and small businesses to environmental groups and unions.
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To help cement his legacy and win support for the projects, Gennette plays the history card: He notes that Macy’s is no Johnny-come-lately, having opened its first store in the city in 1858, before the Civil War. The iconic Herald Square store has been there for almost 120 years. The project he’s pitching to investors, city officials and the nearby community is about the next 100 years.

The developments, he claims, would do as much for New York — generating $269 million in annual tax revenue while spurring $4.29 billion in economic output annually — as they would for Macy’s. That, of course, assumes the office market has rebounded by the time the Macy’s tower is built, which is likely several years away.
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There’s a poll here, with some idiotic commentary to go along with it.


https://www.retailwire.com/discussio...ght-direction/

Would a skyscraper on top of Macy’s NYC flagship reach in the right direction?


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Macy’s has been struggling to return to national prominence for some time, but CEO Jeff Gennette wants to focus on going big in the Big Apple. Mr. Gennette plans to transform the already large and iconic Herald Square Macy’s location into a massive retail landmark.

Mr. Gennette has committed to the building of a skyscraper atop the Herald Square Macy’s location as well as making an investment of $235 million into the area around the store, according to Bloomberg........
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Nice to read a piece that doesn’t fall back to NIMBYism.


https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs...d-square-store

How Macy's wants to overhaul Herald Square


By Justine Re Manhattan
Jun. 07, 2021


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Dan Biederman, the president of the 34th Street Partnership, is at the helm of a new expansion coming to Macy's Herald Square.

“Macy's is not only important for the district, but also the city," Biederman said about Macy's recently announced $235 million plan to upgrade the space. "That's a massive number."

It will include a car-free pedestrian space and tower, roughly a million square feet, which will provide office space above the store.
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“A lot of seating areas, very elaborate green spaces, plants of the kind that you see now in Herald and Greeley Square," Biederman said of the proposal. "This tower is going to open many years from now around, five or six.”

New infrastructure for easier mass transit options will also be added, such as new subway entrances and exits and ADA accessible elevators. It's an investment in a future that reaches far beyond post-pandemic recovery.

"The exits to the Herald Square Subway Complex are at least 50 or 60 years old, so that's number one, and number two — it's more crowded than it was in the past, pre-COVID, and we believe will get more crowded,” Biederman said.
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Retail expert Brandon Singer thinks the new plan could be a sign of the times.

"I think it sort of speaks to New York and it speaks to retail and it speaks to those things going hand in hand and it shows that a humongous company like Macy's has a vision and knows that, in the long run, and hopefully a relative amount of time, New York will come back," Brandon Singer, CEO and co-founder of Retail by MONA said.

Isabelle Roy lives down the block and can't wait for the upgrades. She said she’s looking forward to seeing the city come alive as it reopens and COVID-19 restrictions are lifted.

"I'm really excited. I think it is going to be a great space for people to be walking around meeting each other, have a little more of a public common space in New York," Roy said.

Biederman said construction will begin in the next few years, depending on the speed of the approval process.
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Gale Brewer's weekly update says her office is currently working on the Macy's tower in preparation for ULURP, so I guess they will begin sometime this year after all....


https://www.manhattanbp.nyc.gov/weekly-update-9-16/



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Gale Brewer's weekly update says her office is currently working on the Macy's tower in preparation for ULURP, so I guess they will begin sometime this year after all....


https://www.manhattanbp.nyc.gov/weekly-update-9-16/



I wonder what’s contemplated for 260 Madison. That’s a horrible eyesore in a prime location.

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Maybe Macy’s should build Amazon a tower….


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MACY’S FIGHTS TO BLOCK AMAZON FROM ADVERTISING ON A HERALD SQUARE BILLBOARD
The department store gave up its lease for the ad space after more than 50 years





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September 28, 2021


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A turf war is erupting between the largest department store in Manhattan and the world’s largest retailer over the rights to advertise on a Herald Square billboard, according to a lawsuit filed recently in state Supreme Court in Manhattan.

Macy’s is going after its landlord, Kaufman Realty, to block a pending deal with Amazon to use the billboard atop its flagship Herald Square store, claiming that ads from its competitor would cause “immeasurable” harm to its business, the complaint said.

The e-commerce giant raised eyebrows in August amid reports that it would open its own department stores in cities across the country. Critics saw the move as a blow to existing retail businesses.
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Macy’s plans to stop Amazon in its tracks with an injunction to protect its business, which includes online sales.

“The damages to Macy’s customer goodwill, image, reputation and brand should a prominent online retailer (especially Amazon) advertise on the billboard are impossible to calculate,” the company stated in court papers.

The storied retailer had been advertising its own business on the billboard for more than 50 years, but when its lease was to expire in August, it failed to come to an agreement with its landlord, which was already in talks to lease the space to Amazon, the complaint said.
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But in its original deal from 1963, Macy’s included a restriction that barred any retailer from advertising on the billboard forever. The landlord called that provision invalid, the company said in court papers.

“Macy’s continues to have rights relating to advertisements at that location,” company spokesman Orlando Veras said. “We expect to realize the benefits of these rights and have asked the court to protect them.”
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Following the COVID-19 pandemic’s devastating effect on the city’s retail industry and years of declining sales in brick-and-mortar stores, New York City's surviving shops are on shaky ground. The Neiman Marcus outpost that opened at Hudson Yards closed a few months into the pandemic, but Macy’s recently unveiled plans to build an office tower above its Herald Square store and announced that it would spend $235 million to revitalize the surrounding neighborhood.
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^^ Maybe they shouldn't have given up their lease then
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Macy’s cries foul over Amazon’s plan to advertise on its Herald Square store





By Lisa Fickenscher
September 29, 2021


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Macy’s claims Amazon has concocted a cheeky plan to advertise in front of the department store’s legendary flagship in Herald Square — and it’s pleading with the courts to step in.

The massive, red-and-white star billboard atop Macy’s 120-year-old store at 1313 Broadway could soon turn into an ad for the Seattle-based e-tailing giant, according to a complaint Macy’s filed against billboard owner Kaufman Realty.

Macy’s management said it learned during lease-renewal discussions in May that Kaufman was in talks with a “prominent online retailer” about possibly renting the sign — and that there was “little doubt” at that time that the retailer was Amazon, according to the complaint filed in in State Supreme court in Manhattan last week.

Macy’s owns its flagship building on 34th Street, but Kaufman owns the small carved-out piece of real estate in the southeast corner on which the billboard is situated. A small Sunglass Hut store currently occupies the building’s storefront.

The Macy’s billboard lease with Kaufman expired on Aug. 31. Macy’s claims that its original lease from 1963 prevents a competitor from ever advertising on that space, but Kaufman disagrees, according to the complaint.
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On Thursday, a spokesman for Kaufman denied that the company was in talks with Amazon.

“While the restrictive covenant will be up to a judge to make a decision, we want to make it clear that we’ve had no communication or negotiations with Amazon relating to the 1313 Broadway space,” the Kaufman spokesman told The Post in a statement.

Nevertheless, Macy’s is apoplectic, noting that the 2,200 square-foot billboard is “prominently seen and displayed, especially during the Macy’s Thanksgiving Day Parade,” and that any advertisement on the billboard by a competitor would cause “immeasurable” harm to Macy’s.

“The damages to Macy’s customer goodwill, image, reputation and brand should a prominent online retailer (especially Amazon) advertise on the billboard are impossible to calculate,” the company said in court papers.
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The corner of the Macy’s building is indented, allowing space for the small building on which the billboard is situated. While admitting that the billboard is merely “adjacent” to Macy’s “world famous department store,” the complaint contends that to the “naked eye the billboard is on Macy’s department store.” Kaufman owns both the small building and the billboard, according to the complaint.

“For Amazon this is less about advertising and more about sticking it in Macy’s eye and depriving Macy’s of its marquee signage,” said a real estate source who did not want to speak on the record about either company.
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Macy’s is asking the court for injunctive relief to prevent Kaufman from leasing the space to Amazon or any competitor, according to the filing.

“Since the early 1960s Macy’s has placed a billboard sign on the building adjacent to our flagship store at the corner of Broadway and 34th Street,” the company said in a statement to The Post. “Macy’s continues to have rights relating to advertisements at that location. We expect to realize the benefits of these rights and have asked the court to protect them.”

Known as “The World’s Largest Store” the Herald Square location is preparing to build a giant office tower on top of the building. Macy’s said in May that it will spend $235 million to upgrade the transit infrastructure in the area and to create other public amenities in Herald Square.
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Another alternative design....(2019)


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Variations, including the one we've seen....



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