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Old Posted Mar 21, 2022, 1:14 AM
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Dude, it´s really simple. JPMorgan doesn't want an observation deck in their tower, the developers of 1 Vandy and 30 HY did.
That´s it. That´s all there is to it.
It does make me wish that New York City would have required an observation deck as a privately owned public space on the top floors as part of a building permit. These spaces are seen with a number of skyscraper lobbies in New York City. Furthermore, the city should have made it a requirement for such a deck to be open from 9 am to 11 pm daily and to not charge an admission fee of more than $10. The skyscrapers that have observation decks are expensive with tickets costing well over $30. By requiring a privately owned public space on the top floors of the JPMORGAN Chase Headquarters, there could have been a space with easy access for working and middle class New Yorkers that could not to afford to visit the existing observatories on a regular basis.
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Old Posted Mar 21, 2022, 11:41 AM
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Is the building on 8th or 9th floor? If it’s on 9th, I cannot wait to see the first setback!
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Old Posted Mar 21, 2022, 1:42 PM
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It does make me wish that New York City would have required an observation deck as a privately owned public space on the top floors as part of a building permit. These spaces are seen with a number of skyscraper lobbies in New York City. Furthermore, the city should have made it a requirement for such a deck to be open from 9 am to 11 pm daily and to not charge an admission fee of more than $10. The skyscrapers that have observation decks are expensive with tickets costing well over $30. By requiring a privately owned public space on the top floors of the JPMORGAN Chase Headquarters, there could have been a space with easy access for working and middle class New Yorkers that could not to afford to visit the existing observatories on a regular basis.
It's just that the logistics of this would be very complicated and expensive. Public lobby space is complicated and expensive enough (and has deterred plenty of developers on its own), but doing it on top of the building would require:
- Losing the most valuable space in the building
- Adding elevators that otherwise aren't required, which must be accessible from the lobby and go all the way up the tower; in other words, using this space up on every single floor.
- Adding egress for an assembly use on the top floor; again, something that has a consequence on every floor.
- Finding a way to separate the public users from the office space, at all levels.
- Security in general in a bank headquarters is a nightmare - imagine it with the possibility that non-bank employees might end up on basically any floor.
- And then on top of that, subsidizing the price of every ticket.

Is all of this possible? Sure, many developers even choose to do it based on the sort of value they can create at the top of the building. But it's incredibly expensive and complicated, especially for an owner like JPMC.
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Old Posted Mar 21, 2022, 3:33 PM
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Is the building on 8th or 9th floor? If it’s on 9th, I cannot wait to see the first setback!
I’ve been out of town, and haven’t been able to check in on it. But the first setback should be level 17. Level 11 should be mechanical.



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Old Posted Mar 21, 2022, 4:15 PM
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Title update to 60 floors? It's a little better than 58 for a supertall at least...
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Old Posted Mar 21, 2022, 7:14 PM
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It's just that the logistics of this would be very complicated and expensive. Public lobby space is complicated and expensive enough (and has deterred plenty of developers on its own), but doing it on top of the building would require:
- Losing the most valuable space in the building
- Adding elevators that otherwise aren't required, which must be accessible from the lobby and go all the way up the tower; in other words, using this space up on every single floor.
- Adding egress for an assembly use on the top floor; again, something that has a consequence on every floor.
- Finding a way to separate the public users from the office space, at all levels.
- Security in general in a bank headquarters is a nightmare - imagine it with the possibility that non-bank employees might end up on basically any floor.
- And then on top of that, subsidizing the price of every ticket.

Is all of this possible? Sure, many developers even choose to do it based on the sort of value they can create at the top of the building. But it's incredibly expensive and complicated, especially for an owner like JPMC.
This is what a privately owned public space is that is sometimes required as part of a building permit. Still wish New York City had done that for the JPMORGAN Chase Headquarters and the Central Park Tower, which is residential.
https://www1.nyc.gov/site/planning/plans/pops/pops.page
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This is what a privately owned public space is that is sometimes required as part of a building permit. Still wish New York City had done that for the JPMORGAN Chase Headquarters and the Central Park Tower, which is residential.
https://www1.nyc.gov/site/planning/plans/pops/pops.page
The POPS is never a requirement, it's an optional program that the developer can CHOOSE to utilize to "earn bonus floor area or waivers". JPMorgan is including a POPS on the Madison Ave. side of the building. It would make ZERO sense for a residential building like CPT to do such a thing due to considerations such as security, privacy, etc.
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Old Posted Mar 21, 2022, 8:03 PM
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The POPS is never a requirement, it's an optional program that the developer can CHOOSE to utilize to "earn bonus floor area or waivers". JPMorgan is including a POPS on the Madison Ave. side of the building. It would make ZERO sense for a residential building like CPT to do such a thing due to considerations such as security, privacy, etc.
What will the POPS on the Madison Avenue side of the building look like and be used for. Also, what floors will the space be located on.
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What will the POPS on the Madison Avenue side of the building look like and be used for. Also, what floors will the space be located on.
It will be a landscaped open air plaza at street level on the ground floor.
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Old Posted Mar 21, 2022, 10:08 PM
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Not to insult anyone, but arguing that public space be mandated for the tops of buildings is pretty silly, and shouldn’t be taken seriously at all.
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It will be a landscaped open air plaza at street level on the ground floor.
What indoor skyscraper lobbies can you think of that are privately owned public spaces. Furthermore, I do hope that one of the office supertalls planned has one utilized on the top floor, possibly free of charge and a sky garden included.
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Old Posted Mar 21, 2022, 10:56 PM
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What indoor skyscraper lobbies can you think of that are privately owned public spaces. Furthermore, I do hope that one of the office supertalls planned has one utilized on the top floor, possibly free of charge and a sky garden included.
Listen, we’re not gonna debate that here. There is no observaton deck. You can bring up the issue in the architectural forum.
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Old Posted Mar 21, 2022, 11:29 PM
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Listen, we’re not gonna debate that here. There is no observaton deck. You can bring up the issue in the architectural forum.
Do you have a link to the architectural forum where this can be debated.
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Old Posted Mar 22, 2022, 1:58 AM
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Do you have a link to the architectural forum where this can be debated.
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Old Posted Mar 22, 2022, 1:38 PM
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What indoor skyscraper lobbies can you think of that are privately owned public spaces. Furthermore, I do hope that one of the office supertalls planned has one utilized on the top floor, possibly free of charge and a sky garden included.
There are many of them. And also finding a catalogue of all the POPs in the city was incredibly easy.
https://apops.mas.org/find-a-pops/
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Lots of great skyscrapers, but New York needs a building that's a different color than beige, black or blue. Red, green, purple... bring 'em on!

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Lots of great skyscrapers, but New York needs a building that's a different color than beige, black or blue. Red, green, purple... bring 'em on!

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well, for one thing if you go downtown to the wv you can see julian schnabel's casa chupi house


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Old Posted Mar 23, 2022, 5:41 PM
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Lots of great skyscrapers, but New York needs a building that's a different color than beige, black or blue. Red, green, purple... bring 'em on!

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New York needs to stay and look like “New York”. That’s why people love it, it’s not like everywhere else. That being said, this tower will “probably” have a more standout appearance. If only there was something that could show you what a potential new skyscraper would look like.
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