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Originally Posted by the urban politician
^. I'm really happy to see the redesign of the newer phases if the Parkside. Agree that the earlier phase looks like shit.
All in all the street grid is intact, so i don't see the issue
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Originally Posted by PKDickman
The original grid is still there. They just Hanover Parkerized it in order to shoehorn in as many townhomes as they can.
Trash pickup and snow removal are gonna be a nightmare in these parking lots.
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I don't think I was very clear. I had in mind both Cabrini Green and its environs. South of Division, west of Lasalle, north of Chicago, and east the River the following happens:
Elm Street stops or starts no less than 9 times; Maple once; Hill twice; Wendell 4 times; Hobbie twice; Oak twice (I think; what
is even going on between Kids Club Moody Church and Urban Village Church?); Walton twice; Locust 6 times; Chestnut 6 times; you get the idea, and, if you don't, just look at Google maps.
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Originally Posted by ardecila
A) Landon Bone Baker has always been the architect for ParkSide, but they had some turnover during the recession and successfully argued for a change in design direction (more billable hours, you know).
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Get out. Unless I'm mistaken, they've scrubbed the earlier phases from their website...
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Originally Posted by ardecila
B) I agree that the street grid has been royally screwed, but the fault belongs to the Cabrini era, not the present. The planning goals in the current era have always called for restoring the street grid, but those planners were unable to overrule large institutions like CPD (the cops), CPD (the parks), and CPS who continue to advocate for "campus" style street closures at sites around the city. Usually these guys see neighborhood support for these closures as a way to reduce the vague evil of "cut-through traffic", even as they further congest the main streets and confuse outsiders.
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So the CPDs and CPS have
recently foiled urban planners' attempts to impose some sort of order here? Doesn't that mean the fault belongs just as much to the 'current era,' as you describe it?
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Originally Posted by ardecila
C) The most recent draft of the Cabrini plan calls for more new street openings, and I think they will be more successful in the future. The most important streets will be Oak in the east-west direction and Cleveland in the north-south direction. Oak is just a matter of repaving a few blocks between Hudson and Orleans, and Cleveland will be entirely in the hands of CHA planners at the Cabrini Rowhomes site who will do the same street grid like ParkSide.
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As far as I can tell, Oak Street is the least fucked-up of the the east-west routes; the City would reach new levels of pathetic if it couldn't even iron out that kink.