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With the recent violence in Philadelphia, the number of murders stands at 404 as of yesterday. 42% higher than last year.

Philadelphias all time murder number was 505 back in the 90s, it's possible it could be broken due to the unrest in the city and general lawlessness and impunity in the country.
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With the recent violence in Philadelphia, the number of murders stands at 404 as of yesterday. 42% higher than last year.

Philadelphias all time murder number was 505 back in the 90s, it's possible it could be broken due to the unrest in the city and general lawlessness and impunity in the country.
In your opinion, that's only a matter of a tougher police enforcement or there are other underlying causes as well (e.g. lack of career prospects, good jobs, etc.)?
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I think it's general social degradation. Lack of respect for anyone (from all political spectrums, views and backgrounds), a post industrial/broken society. My generation (under 30 crowd) has been completely brainwashed and thinks chaos is good, because ''progress'' or something.

It will get worse before it gets better, unfortunately. Also, this has nothing to do with the election. If Biden wins, the civil unrest will likely continue just as is, if not become worse. If Trump wins, things will continue as well. We're in a complete lose/lose situation.
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^ I would partly agree on that statement, although semantics is confusing.

Progress is a term claimed by the social democrats and socialists for their political propaganda, as opposed to the conservatives whose values are more traditional, mostly based on family (whatever family is) and related things.

I think the issue to currently fuck with society as a whole is that the "Carpe Diem" principle or philosophy has gone a bit too far. People are all about enjoying today and don't care much about tomorrow.
It's a selfish attitude that you can see in all aspects of daily living; for instance in funding businesses. Too many investors are about short-term profits, losing sense of actual strategy, which is harmful to serious business projects requiring efforts on a longer run.

That type of mindset is irresponsible, very dangerous, unhealthy, causing harm and crime to society, as well as a whole bunch of annoying issues like environmental ones.

I agree with bossabreezes that we're living a moral crisis that might end up existential. It is really creepy when you think about it.
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In your opinion, that's only a matter of a tougher police enforcement or there are other underlying causes as well (e.g. lack of career prospects, good jobs, etc.)?
The primary cause of violence is a person’s social network.

In Chicago the biggest predictor of whether a person will commit or be victim of a shooting is how many personal ties to other gunmen they have. It’s a much much higher correlation than poverty, employment, education, race or other commonly cited factors.

What happens in a crime spike is that a violent act by a criminal is imitated by other members of their immediate social group who are then imitated by the 2nd degree peers and so on. The job of law enforcement is to break that chain as soon as possible. Whether by arresting a criminal or just letting potential offenders know they’re being monitored. Employment, school, church are just other less punitive ways to break the chain and build more positive networks.

What’s been happening in recent years is that social media is speeding up this cycle too fast for traditional social controls to react. People online see someone like them riot in Seattle over a dumb statue, next day 10 other cities are seeing riots over statues. Same with homicide.

Sometimes the only way out of a crime wave is generational change when violent behavior becomes passé and uncool. That’s likely the main reason for the crime drop off following the 90s. Otherwise cities can act during a lull such as during Winter and step up law enforcement.
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I think it's general social degradation. Lack of respect for anyone (from all political spectrums, views and backgrounds), a post industrial/broken society. My generation (under 30 crowd) has been completely brainwashed and thinks chaos is good, because ''progress'' or something.

It will get worse before it gets better, unfortunately. Also, this has nothing to do with the election. If Biden wins, the civil unrest will likely continue just as is, if not become worse. If Trump wins, things will continue as well. We're in a complete lose/lose situation.
I agree, and I could write a lot of about it. I‘’m very pessimist as well, and I think it’s not only in the US. Intolerance, lack of respect, antiintelectualism, vulgarity, all that contaminated the entire political scene and society as a whole.
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