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It'll probably be twice as expensive to build the stadium at the airport than West Harbour. There's no basic service at the airport land, sewer, water line, etc.
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It'll probably be twice as expensive to build the stadium at the airport than West Harbour. There's no basic service at the airport land, sewer, water line, etc.
Sadly it'll all end up being about cars and car parking and car access and justifying the whole expansion of the airport zone.
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Way out in the suburbs. Great.I can't believe I'm starting to agree with Merulla on something.
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Old Posted Feb 6, 2009, 4:19 PM
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There's also WEST HARBOUR. The site chosen for the 2010 and 2014 Commonwealth stadium. I wonder what council will pick hmmm it's pretty much the same council.
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Ticats boss pledges millions to Pan Am stadium
February 09, 2009

John Kernaghan
The Hamilton Spectator

Hamilton Tiger-Cats owner Bob Young says the football team and other private sources would bring “millions to tens of millions” to a $150-million Pan Am Games stadium and the Ticats’ new home.

And Young said today he would be talking to most members of city council to explain why he feels the stadium is important to the city.

“I’m just one vote but I’m also the prime tenant of the stadium.”

Young stressed about $56 million from the provincial and federal governments towards a 24,000- to 27,000-seat stadium is ”a once-in-50-year opportunity.”
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Old Posted Feb 10, 2009, 3:42 AM
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Bob Young Comments on Proposed Stadium......

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Wish he'd come right out and say where he'd like to see the stadium located. That "smarter guys than me..." line is awfully mealy-mouthed.
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WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH OUR COUNCILLORS?

Stadium on the west mountain... WHAT? What benefit does that have to ANYONE? First of all it will be in the middle of nowhere; second we already have a decayed downtown that could greatly benefit from the potential economic spinoff; third the airport lands (as already mentioned) haven't even been serviced utility wise.

It sucks that the hype of the bid has been decaying, and we may not be getting an awesome velodrome or other facilities. However, if the owner of the Ticats is offering "10's of millions" for a new stadium then I don't know what these councilors are thinking.

They need to learn to start taking advantage of these rare opportunities to turn our city around/clean up our image as they come along. Their plan is to maintain what we already have, which is obviously important, but it seems they will never take any chances in order to improve the city.
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Cats could kick in cash for Pan Am stadium

February 10, 2009
John Kernaghan
The Hamilton Spectator
http://www.thespec.com/News/Local/article/510537

Bob Young will bring his wallet and a sense of opportunity to a campaign for a $150-million Pan Am Games stadium.

The Tiger-Cats owner said yesterday the football team and other private sources would bring "millions to possibly tens of millions" of dollars to a multi-use facility that would host track and field events for the Games, then be home to the Ticats.

As well, Young said he will individually seek out city councillors to explain why he feels the stadium is important to the future of the city.

"I'm just one voter but I'm also the prime tenant of the stadium," Young said at a news conference yesterday.

The city will review three potential sites for the 2015 Games bid on Feb. 23.

Young's comments followed questions, including one from Pan Am bid chair David Peterson, about where the Ticats' financial support has been for the costly project.

Councillor Sam Merulla, who opposes committing taxpayers to up to $94 million for the stadium, had a liberal interpretation of Young's "tens of millions."

"I'll wave the flag in support of the stadium if he and others can come up with $80 million of that," he said in a call to The Spectator.

Young said getting about $56 million from the provincial and federal governments toward a 24,000- to 27,000-seat stadium is "a once-in-50-year opportunity."

He said the location must have good highway and rapid transit access. It must also be able to generate revenue and development to support the cost of building and maintaining the facility, he said.

Young said the stadium's bottom line could be bolstered by selling naming rights, hosting multiple sports and concerts, and possibly incorporating office, retail, restaurant, cinema and health-club uses.

The Toronto 2015 bid committee will fund 56 per cent of the cost of a 15,000-seat facility, which would cost about $100 million.

But Hamilton needs a larger facility to replace the rapidly declining Ivor Wynne, meaning the city would have to pick up about $94 million for a $150-million venue, depending on how much the Tiger-Cats and other parties could contribute.

Young said he had no preference among the potential stadium sites: the airport lands, the west harbour and downtown. The latter is almost off the table due to land assembly complications and high cost.

While he said he prefers keeping the Ticats in Hamilton, Young would consider a Burlington site as long as he gets "a fancy new stadium that we and others can build businesses and championship teams in."

Three councillors have said they oppose any stadium -- Merulla, Brad Clark and Margaret McCarthy.

Mayor Fred Eisenberger said last night the city had always expected the Ticats to ante up for the stadium.

"It talks to the partnership we have and that reasonable people would see this as an opportunity that we should not let pass us by."
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This poll annoys me.

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Hamilton Councillor Sam Merulla says the city should pull out of the Pan Am Games bid due to the economic crisis. Should we stay in the bid?
Current results:

Yes (43.14 %)
No (56.86 %)

Can't people see that money brought into the region, plus our own investment money will create jobs and thus stimulate spending, the full on ripple effect?

This particular Councillor seems to have a lot to say on almost every subject
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Pan Am pool for Hamilton?
Announcement expected at noon today

February 11, 2009
Wade Hemsworth
The Hamilton Spectator
http://www.thespec.com/News/Local/article/511394

Pan Am bid chairman David Peterson is expected to deliver some good news when he speaks in Hamilton today: a major new swimming pool for the city is back in the bid.

A source close to the bid confirmed yesterday that if the Toronto 2015 bid is successful, a new 50-metre pool would be built at McMaster University, in a new building adjacent to the existing pool, which would remain in use.

"It's huge, when you start thinking about it, the number of people who could use a second pool," the source said. "It's something that would be good for the next 50 years."

Hopes for a new permanent pool in Hamilton appeared to have been dashed last month when the province cut $300 million from its $1.8-billion Games budget.

But the source said circumstances have changed, creating a new opportunity for a "legacy" pool project that could go with a new stadium, which is also part of the bid to host the Games in and around Toronto.

Though financing details were not immediately available, the source confirmed that McMaster would become a partner in building the pool, a project expected to be worth $35 million.

Peterson, a former premier of Ontario, is to speak to the Hamilton Chamber of Commerce at noon today, when the announcement is expected.
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Old Posted Feb 11, 2009, 12:19 PM
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Pan Am supporters ramp up sales spiel

February 11, 2009
Andrew Dreschel
The Hamilton Spectator
http://www.thespec.com/Opinions/article/511350

The great Pan American tub-thump is on.

Today, former premier David Peterson, chair of the 2015 Pan Am bid, will be pitching the games at a Hamilton Chamber of Commerce lunch.

Yesterday, Ticat owner Bob Young was all over the local media promising to bring millions of private-sector dollars to the table to build a new stadium for the games and, incidentally, his team.

And, next week, Mayor Fred Eisenberger and members of the local Pan Am advisory committee are slated to meet with The Spectator's editorial board to talk about why it's important for Hamilton to take part in the bid.

Clearly, the campaign to rally political and community support is ramping up as Feb. 23 draws near.

That's the date city councillors will be asked to make a financial commitment to the games and choose a site for a new stadium to replace Ivor Wynne.

What does the push signify?

For one thing, Eisenberger is as good as his word.

The mayor vowed he and others would be beating the drum for Hamilton's participation in prep for the big vote and that's now in full play.

On the other hand, the amount of muscle-flexing also suggests the opposition may be gathering strength.

The ABCs of the city's financial undertaking and pros and cons of the potential stadium sites will be unveiled at the Feb. 23 meeting.

But, basically, the debate is boiling down to whether the city should ante up about $94 million to build a $150-million stadium, with the $56-million difference being paid by senior government.

Most councillors are waiting for the presentation before they formally commit.

But, in the meantime, the no side has found the perfect foghorn in Councillor Sam Merulla, who maintains the city can't afford to get aboard given the long backlog of roads, bridges and rec centres that need repairing.

In that vein, Merulla keeps referring to an infrastructure deficit of up $180 million.

I don't know about that. According to acting city treasurer, Tony Tollis, the infrastructure deficit varies from year to year, but right now it's in the neighbourhood of $100 million.

Still, there's no question many of this city's capital programs are seriously underfunded.

And that problem is compounded by the economic downturn, growing pressures on the operating budget and a teeny assessment growth of 1 per cent.

Against that sobering backdrop, Merulla is taking a buzz saw to the pro-bid planks.

They talk about a vision for the future; Merulla talks about their blindness to fiscal realities.

They talk about creating a community legacy; he talks about the better bequest of speeding up the replacement and repair of aging infrastructure.

They talk about the excitement of a major international event; Merulla dismisses the games as an obscure "third-rate event with fourth-rate athletes."

When they talk about contributing millions of private- sector dollars to build the stadium, Merulla asks for hard numbers not vague promises.

When they talk about Hamilton being part of a Golden Horseshoe bid, Merulla points out that, officially, it's known as the Toronto bid and yet Toronto is only promising to kick in about $47 million -- half the cost of a new stadium for Hamilton.

As they rev up the campaign to bring Hamilton into the fold, Merulla plunges deeper into his populist persona.

See the scrappy east-ender sticking up for the little guy in the face of pressure from business bigwigs such as David Braley, Ron Foxcroft and Bob Young.

That's an unshakable tenet for Merulla: He's convinced the power brokers are out of touch, that the "average Hamiltonian" wants no part of the games.

And he predicts that, no matter how hard the pro-camp pumps and stumps its cause through open and back channels, the Feb. 23 vote will still be very, very close.
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Pan Am bid needs Hamilton: Peterson

February 11, 2009
http://www.thespec.com/News/Local/article/511394

Pan Am bid chairman David Peterson made it clear today that the games bid needs Hamilton, and Hamilton needs the bid.

"This is an incredible opportunity for Hamilton to increase its sports infrastructure," said Peterson. "We want Hamilton to be an integral part of this Bid, and now is the time to get on board."

Peterson made the comments in remarks to the Hamilton Chamber of Commerce today.

Earlier, a source close to the bid had confirmed that if the Toronto 2015 bid was successful, a new 50-metre pool would be built at McMaster University, in a new building adjacent to the existing pool, which would remain in use.

"It's huge, when you start thinking about it, the number of people who could use a second pool," the source said. "It's something that would be good for the next 50 years."

The current plan has the city hosting track and field at a new stadium. Hamilton also would receive a portable velodrome for track cycling, and is to host volleyball at Copps Coliseum.

The bid brings back hopes for a new permanent pool in Hamilton that had appeared to have been dashed last month when the province cut $300 million from its $1.8-billion Games budget.

Downtown councillor Bob Bratina said the Games are a huge opportunity for the city.

“I believe we have a rare opportunity to create an asset for our City's future, just as they did in 1930 building the municipal pool and civic stadium for the British Empire games. These facilities are still in use almost 80 years later.”

But Ward 4 councillor Sam Merulla maintains his opposition, saying the money is better spent on other projects.

“We have a $180-million hard infrastructure deficit. Any money considerations should be allocated to fast-track those important projects," he said. "Anything other than that would be irresponsible.

The Pan American Games is a major international multi-sport event, held every four years for athletes of the 42 Pan American Sports Organization member nations. The 2015 event, which includes the Pan American Games and the Parapan American Games, is expected to draw 10,000 athletes and officials and 250,000 visitors. Rio de Janiero, Brazil hosted the 2007 Games and Guadalajara, Mexico will host the 2011 Games.

The Bid already has been warmly received by the Canadian sporting community and has the support of all three levels of government, including more than a dozen municipalities across the Greater Golden Horseshoe.

Peterson, a former premier of Ontario, spoke to the Hamilton Chamber of Commerce at noon.
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Hamilton called on to play key role in Pan Am Games Bid
http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/a.../11/c7590.html

HAMILTON, ON, Feb. 11 /CNW/ - Toronto 2015 Bid Chair David Peterson today made it clear that the Pan Am Games Bid needs Hamilton, and Hamilton needs the Bid.

"This is an incredible opportunity for Hamilton to increase its sports infrastructure," said Peterson. "We want Hamilton to be an integral part of this Bid, and now is the time to get on board."

Hamilton is slated to play a central role in the Games. The current plan has the city hosting perennial Games' favourite track and field (Athletics) at a new stadium. Hamilton also will receive a portable velodrome for track cycling, and is slated to host volleyball, another of the Games' most popular sports, at Copps Coliseum.

Mr. Peterson made the comments in remarks to the Hamilton Chamber of Commerce today.

The Bid already has been warmly received by the Canadian sporting community and has the support of all three levels of government, including more than a dozen municipalities across the Greater Golden Horseshoe. The Bid Book outlining operations and infrastructure plans is due to the Pan American Sports Organization, responsible for the hosting decision, in April 2009.

The Pan American Games is a major international multi-sport event, held every four years for athletes of the 42 Pan American Sports Organization member nations. The 2015 event, which includes the Pan American Games and the Parapan American Games, is expected to draw 10,000 athletes and officials and 250,000 visitors. Rio de Janiero, Brazil hosted the 2007 Games and Guadalajara, Mexico will host the 2011 Games.
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McMaster could be part of PanAm Games bid
http://dailynews.mcmaster.ca/story.cfm?id=5947

February 11, 2009

The Ontario bid for the 2015 PanAm Games is still not final but McMaster is a possible site for a new aquatic facility. The Executive Committee of the Board of Governors has approved McMaster's participation which could now include plans for a new 50-metre pool at the University.

"It's an important opportunity to be a significant partner in the bid for the Games and to support the City as a community partner," said President Peter George. "It strengthens the bid and the benefits that could come to McMaster and Hamilton but it also gives the University a chance to find a solution to retrofit or replace our existing pool at a fraction of the full cost." The pool in the Ivor Wynne Centre is 40 years old and requires major work if it's going to be useable in the long-term.

The pool is used by students, the McMaster swim team, members of the McMaster community, children who attend McMaster's summer camps as well as providing space for community swim clubs and teams. The pool can't meet the current demands and is the only 50 metre pool in the city. A new 50 metre pool would be wider and would put McMaster in the running to host national CIS and international competitions.

George said, "Developing Hamilton's bid has been a very dynamic process and McMaster needed to be nimble if we were going to be able to take advantage of the opportunity it brings to access provincial and federal money to build facilities for the Games."

The City of Hamilton must still vote on whether it will participate in the bid and then the bid will need to go through the extensive selection process run by the PanAm selection committee. If all of those hurdles are passed and Ontario wins the PanAm bid, the details of the aquatic facility at McMaster would still need to be confirmed and approvals received through the normal approval processes at the University.
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So, if we go with this suggestion who's pool is it after the Pan Am Games? It seems the current pool is used exclusively by McMaster, does that mean a pool for Pan Am on McMaster property is a city or Mac facility?
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I will completely lose interest in this if it ends up out by the airport.
It's a monumental mistake if a new stadium is built in some periphery area. Important municipal assets like a stadium must be downtown. You don't want a situation where people need to drive to get to an event. Look no further than Scotiabank Place in Kanata (Ottawa). It's in the middle of nowhere. People need to feel physically connected. Ottawa doesn't really have an NHL team, Kanata does.

Preferably, you'd even want a situation where a significant portion of the population could walk to the stadium. Put any new Hamilton stadium in the city core.
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I'm with you 100% on this, although I do have a sister living in Kanata who probably disagrees. I'm surprised that Bob Young would accept the airport lands.

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It's a monumental mistake if a new stadium is built in some periphery area. Important municipal assets like a stadium must be downtown. You don't want a situation where people need to drive to get to an event. Look no further than Scotiabank Place in Kanata (Ottawa). It's in the middle of nowhere. People need to feel physically connected. Ottawa doesn't really have an NHL team, Kanata does.

Preferably, you'd even want a situation where a significant portion of the population could walk to the stadium. Put any new Hamilton stadium in the city core.
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Bob Young hinted that he likes the waterfront location better. David Peterson said he wouldn't want a stadium next to "cowland", doing so could hurt the entire bid.

The 50m swimming pool comes with a pricetag of $30 million.
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This articlein the Spec irks me with how it concludes...

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What could $94 million buy?

* Complete the City Hall restoration ($74 million) and have enough for the Farmers' Market renovation ($7 million) and restore the Auchmar Estate to create a civic curatorial and welcome centre ($9.9 million).
I don't think it's a valid comparison to make.
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