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This is a hilarious discussion...to not want to develop this area is wild. Also since when has a rendering looked better than the finished product? I'm sure the limestone finish will look fine.
I didn't read any comment that said this area shouldn't be developed. It started with criticism of the design (looking at proposals and evaluating them is a big part of this forum) and ended with commentary discussing the pros and cons of moving forward with this specific proposal.

Some people said that buildings expanding the urban footprint are desireable as long as those projects are economically attractive and present low risk to developers. Other people here have said this design sucks. It doesn't mean we want to handcuff new development - just that the design could be better.

But this is the way of the internet. You say you don't like a design and then are branded as naive for not understanding the economics. Then your opinion is conflated with one that is anti-development though that was never said.
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Yeah, it's a total joke to pretend that this is the same Cabrini as 10 or 20 years ago. This is prime class A apartment territory now. It should be held to the same standards as any other part of downtown...

It's funny, you don't hear the same nonsense about buildings going up in the Western part of the West Loop or the South Loop. Those areas were just as crime ridden and even adjacent to projects (West of Union Park was all projects at one point).

Seems to me that there is a certain perception of Cabrini that is triggering these comments of "it's a marginal area, be forgiving on the design". From an economic perspective this area is no different than buildings going up on Union Park or Wabash and Cermak. What's with the dated perception of what is now essentially a giant vacant lot as some hot bed of crime or skid row?
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What ever happened to 40 West Oak? I wasn’t able to find much news on this since last year.

“The proposal recently received approval from the Chicago Plan Commission, and additionally received approval on the zoning change for the site. The total project cost is approximately $165 million, with construction expected to commence sometime in 2021.“

https://chicagoyimby.com/2020/12/app...velopment.html
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^ One can only hope it died a slow and agonizing death.

Was this the worst Lagrange ever? No. Does that matter? No.
All Lagrange proposals deserve a death on the drawing boards.
They're garbage. We deserve so much better.
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What ever happened to 40 West Oak? I wasn’t able to find much news on this since last year.

“The proposal recently received approval from the Chicago Plan Commission, and additionally received approval on the zoning change for the site. The total project cost is approximately $165 million, with construction expected to commence sometime in 2021.“

https://chicagoyimby.com/2020/12/app...velopment.html
Too close to Cabrini. Cancelled due to poverty and don't you DARE question the design or this entire area will collapse into a ghetto!
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^ What straw man are you guys arguing against?

I was the one who most vehemently attacked the design of 808 Cleveland by saying this about it 2 pages back:

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^ That podium makes shit look like a cherry sundae

Seriously, 1999 called and........naw, it's SO BAD that even 1999 doesn't want that design back
808 Cleveland is NOT in a low-income area, not even close, even if it's next to those Cabrini Green rowhomes. It certainly can justify more expense spent towards better design....I mean that's obvious.

But in a part of the city where there is virtually no hope of getting the high rents needed to justify expenditure on more expensive materials, one cannot (and would be an ignorant ass to) criticize a developer for going with cheaper materials. If a tower like this were being built in Roseland, for argument's sake, most people would just be happy that anything at all were getting built there.
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A new construction permit was issued for the caissons for 166 N Aberdeen. This is a planned 21 story building with 224 units and 70 parking spaces.

Rendering via Chicago YIMBY and SCB (https://chicagoyimby.com/2020/12/dem...en-street.html)



Nothing to write home about, per almost usual. What was there before:
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8846...7i16384!8i8192
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A new construction permit was issued for the caissons for 166 N Aberdeen. This is a planned 21 story building with 224 units and 70 parking spaces.
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Nothing to write home about, per almost usual. What was there before:
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8846...7i16384!8i8192
That's where I used to go to get bulk pizza rounds ( the white cardboard ) for our annual gingerbread house event.
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Nothing to write home about, per almost usual.
I think it's a pretty handsome tower actually. The massing is neat with the interlocking wedges and the facade system is a nice change of pace after a bunch of blue glass curtainwalls. Lots of depth and complexity. The base is just ok but it seems to do a decent job of concealing the parking (probably on Level 2/3?)

I'm guessing it will turn out similar to 5252 S Cornell, which everyone on SSP seemed to like...

Interestingly there is also a small 6-story building fronting May that is part of this project. The tower and the midrise will share a parking podium. So that's two "missing teeth" that this project will fill in.
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I think it's a pretty handsome tower actually. The massing is neat with the interlocking wedges and the facade system is a nice change of pace after a bunch of blue glass curtainwalls. Lots of depth and complexity. The base is just ok but it seems to do a decent job of concealing the parking (probably on Level 2/3?)

I'm guessing it will turn out similar to 5252 S Cornell, which everyone on SSP seemed to like...

Interestingly there is also a small 6-story building fronting May that is part of this project. The tower and the midrise will share a parking podium. So that's two "missing teeth" that this project will fill in.
It might just be the rendering not being the greatest quality. You might be right by the end of it though in real life. Good to see these things start anyway. Today the West Loop as we know it today has over 32K or 33K people. I bet by 2030 at this rate it's going to have over 40K people..
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