To Pilsenarch:
First off I don’t mean to attack you personally… I appreciate what you contribute to these forums.
However, what you originally said:
“It was all TOTALLY about racism... peeps need to wake up about the recent (only 200 and some odd years) history of this very young country...”
Doesn’t match what Halsted & Villagio said:
“Did ALL of them feel that way? No, I do not believe that. I am not nearly that cynical. Moreover, there is no clear, definitive evidence that the whole thing was driven by racism. On the other hand, based upon the evidence, I am quite comfortable in concluding that there was at least one rotten apple among the Plaintiffs… possibly more.”
Which is closer to what I said:
“I believe that those opposed to the Obama Center have varied reasons some more reasonable and valid than others.”
As for the Gang discussion I will move that to the St. Regis thread because to continue it further would be off topic here.
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someone on the internet actually expressing a nuanced view on a contentious issue in 2021.
i thought critical thinking had been outlawed. don't you know that you're supposed to pick a side, turn your brain off, and then just knee-jerk your way through life?
who are you and how recently did you step out of your time machine?
Thank you my friend. A compliment like this coming from a man like you means a lot to me. Once we get more control over this pandemic, we (and maybe a few other forum members) have to get together one of these days and have a cold one and talk Chicago politics, architecture and business. And who knows, maybe we can even get prodigal son Marothisu to come back home and join us for that drink.
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Given the tremendous volume of trees removed (326 trees for OPC, 39 for the new track/field and 417 for the roadway expansions), this can't be anything more than a token gesture. But it's still nice to see. I know MVVA likes to reuse trees where possible as park benches, sculpture, etc. They did some of that at Maggie Daley Park.
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Given the tremendous volume of trees removed (326 trees for OPC, 39 for the new track/field and 417 for the roadway expansions), this can't be anything more than a token gesture. But it's still nice to see. I know MVVA likes to reuse trees where possible as park benches, sculpture, etc. They did some of that at Maggie Daley Park.
Aren't they supposed to replace the same number of trees that were removed? The renderings and models sure show a lot of them.
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Something is better than nothing I suppose. I actually wouldn't underestimate the chance a hardwood lumber broker would be interested in most of the trees. If they've got good board feet potential and desirable species, that's actually a lot of lumber no matter where you're talking.
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I think I just yacked a bit in my mouth. On the whole I think Obama was the best President during my life but this is an arrogant and gross statement worthy of Trump. He is having taxpayers needlessly pay 200million for road work because he needed his library in the middle of a park.
What's your point? Any new trees being planted won't grow anymore?
Have you never been to one of those shadeless mcmansion wastelands commonly referred to as a newly developed subdivision? Cause if you have it's plainly obvious that mature trees add a lot of value to a space and the fact that the trees will be what you would like them to be 20 years from now isn't a real selling point.
Have you never been to one of those shadeless mcmansion wastelands commonly referred to as a newly developed subdivision? Cause if you have it's plainly obvious that mature trees add a lot of value to a space and the fact that the trees will be what you would like them to be 20 years from now isn't a real selling point.
That’s the fault of the McMansion architecture and urban planning. Many of the world’s most beautiful neighborhoods have almost zero tree cover.
It’s the unused grass lawns and dead pedestrian streets that create those McMansion wastelands.
Cutting down mature trees is almost always a good trade if grass lawns and roads go with them. City trees don’t have the longest lifespans anyway, and they’ll grow back soon enough.
The real environmental travesty is when good farmland or actual habitat gets bulldozed for a subdivision.
Have you never been to one of those shadeless mcmansion wastelands commonly referred to as a newly developed subdivision? Cause if you have it's plainly obvious that mature trees add a lot of value to a space and the fact that the trees will be what you would like them to be 20 years from now isn't a real selling point.
This is really a stretch right here, trying to conflate mcmansion subdivisions with a park, where as mentioned before, the trees removed are planned to be replaced. Fine, it may take 20 years for many of them to mature, but as far as I know, this is a permanent structure, so it's not like the newly planted trees are going to be cut down again. I still don't understand why the trees are such a sticking point for some reason
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I still don't understand why the trees are such a sticking point for some reason
i've never been opposed to the project in general because of the trees, but i do wonder if it was really necessary to clear cut the whole damn site into a moonscape.
i understand that a cleared site makes it MUCH easier from a construction standpoint, but still, wouldn't have been nicer if they could've found a way to save at least save some of those existing mature trees?
all water under the bridge at this point, obviously.....
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