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Old Posted Jul 4, 2013, 9:15 AM
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I searched for 'van fleet' under the search option and nothing came up, so here goes..

The Van Fleet Apartments 230 S. Flower Street

http://photos.lapl.org/carlweb/jsp/F...Number=5019820

I am confused by the 'New Hotel' sign. Is it on top of the house or is it at the back of the Van Fleet?
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The "New Hotel" signage behind the Van Fleet was the "New Hotel Elmar" at 235 S Hope St, one block east.

Here, 1928, looking south from the retaining wall that ran from Second down to the stairs adjacent the Third St tunnel:




http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si.../id/1181/rec/1

Flower/2nd/Hope/3rd from the '21 Baist's:


In 1965, the block looked more like this --

http://jpg2.lapl.org/spnb2/00017502.jpg

-- Flower runs north across 3rd near the center of the image. Note Cinnabar running parallel and 2nd/Hope/retaining wall at upper right beneath the Chandler (the "New Hotel Elmar" shot was taken from here, facing toward us). Now, note the low date palm to the right of the Van Fleet in er's image; I believe that's the same date palm in the above shot, halfway up the block toward 2nd.
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Old Posted Jul 4, 2013, 4:24 PM
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The "New Hotel" signage behind the Van Fleet was the "New Hotel Elmar" at 235 S Hope St, one block east.

Here, 1928, looking south from the retaining wall that ran from Second down to the stairs adjacent the Third St tunnel:




http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si.../id/1181/rec/1

Flower/2nd/Hope/3rd from the '21 Baist's:


In 1965, the block looked more like this --

http://jpg2.lapl.org/spnb2/00017502.jpg

-- Flower runs north across 3rd near the center of the image. Note Cinnabar running parallel and 2nd/Hope/retaining wall at upper right beneath the Chandler (the "New Hotel Elmar" shot was taken from here, facing toward us). Now, note the low date palm to the right of the Van Fleet in er's image; I believe that's the same date palm in the above shot, halfway up the block toward 2nd.
Thanks a bunch on clearing this up about this humble cottage- I never have seen the image looking south that makes this apparent ! Must get to Central LAPL to fix the big Bunker Hill map of notes I'd donated to Glen's history dept---
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Old Posted Jul 4, 2013, 4:48 PM
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Thanks, again Godzilla.
That Beverly Hills info was excellent.

Here's something else I came across but you've no doubt seen it already:

Early Beverly Hills
Went to brunch at Butterfields several times - The host used to tell gay customers that it had been a pied a terre of Grant n Scott ----
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1928 graffiti. Hopefully Mayor Shaw will establish a public works movement to combat this! Twenty-one years before the aerosol paint (ca.'49)!
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1928 graffiti. Hopefully Mayor Shaw will establish a public works movement to combat this! Twenty-one years before the aerosol paint (ca.'49)!
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Old Posted Jul 4, 2013, 10:02 PM
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[SIZE="4"]Cleo Moore died in her sleep at age 49. If you wanted to see her movies you had to find them downtown...not in the suburbs!

The actress is Photo #3 isn't Cleo Moore. It's Janis Carter.
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1928 graffiti. Hopefully Mayor Shaw will establish a public works movement to combat this! Twenty-one years before the aerosol paint (ca.'49)!
I used to work at Griffith Park Pool as a locker attendant in 1960. I caught a young kid marking the marble walls separating the toilets. and mad him remove it with chlorine and a brush. I would have been sent to jail now day for doing that. He was a close neighbor of mine but that pissed me off.
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^^^LOL. Sometimes I can be pretty slow.

I have those pics, but I never put two and two together that the pics are of the SAME tunnel until your explanation
"Here's the east end of the same tunnel."

No wonder I'm always confused by the tunnel pics. I never considered the other side of the hill. Duh!




below: A photo of the 3rd Street tunnel, west entrance.


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below: The only description on this photo was Hope Street, Bunker Hill.



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above: Can you imagine the sordid 'going-ons' inside the Hotel Elmar.

This is a good example of a photograph with 'noir' qualities.....
The transient SRO hotel...the lone man....the empty streets and overcast sky.
I knew we had seen the New Elmar someplace...this was on page 19 from Oct. 09
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The actress is Photo #3 isn't Cleo Moore. It's Janis Carter.
Hey Blaster: Thanks for the notification!
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Benson Fong also had a memorable Ah Fong restaurant in Beverly Hills.
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Old Posted Jul 5, 2013, 5:12 PM
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Yes, Googies was built in 1949. After the '50s, it became the "Steak N' Stein" and then eventually "Pippy's".


A small Spanish colonial-style house, probably from the later 1920s, used to be on a triangular patch of land in the middle of where Sunset curves down to Crescent Heights. In the early '30s, it was a fortune-teller/astrologer's home and office. By the '40s, the gay-friendly "Casanova Club" had moved into it. Somewhere in the '50s, it became a Beatnik coffeehouse named "Pandora", which evolved into a live music venue called "Pandora's Box." What then happened to that little house in 1966 made history.


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Steak n Stein - Pandora's Box - '67

Worthy of a second or third look:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRdLe6zzyoM



http://imageshack.us/a/img713/6121/aaapandoras.jpg

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The "New Hotel" signage behind the Van Fleet was the "New Hotel Elmar" at 235 S Hope St, one block east.

Here, 1928, looking south from the retaining wall that ran from Second down to the stairs adjacent the Third St tunnel:

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si.../id/1181/rec/1

Flower/2nd/Hope/3rd from the '21 Baist's:
This is so excellent Beaudry! Thank you for figuring this out for me. I guess I should have realized the 'New Hotel' sign might have
an additional word....like the actual 'NAME' of the hotel. Sheesh...I can be slow some times.
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Old Posted Jul 5, 2013, 10:04 PM
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Wonderful shot of Fifth and Olive Streets, circa 1910. HandsomeStranger posted a smaller version here: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=4301 I don't generally associate the orb laden street lighting with LA. Captures a pre-noir era that it hard to appreciate. At least I see some vegetation on the right!

http://www.photographium.com/5th-str...alifornia-1910

Take a peek inside Clunes?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/theatre...3586/lightbox/


Hard to surpass that first image!

401 West 5th Street
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics17/00018309.jpg

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Old Posted Jul 5, 2013, 10:11 PM
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Straightening Spring Street near the magnificent Hall of Records building in 1929.



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At first I thought they were just shaving off the facades to make the building fit. Now I am not so sure.
Were the buildings totally destroyed or modified?

The whole act of straightening Spring Street is a bit confusing to me.
Earlier in the thread I believe we had overhead views of the area....but I can't seem to find them at the moment.
GSJansen posted a follow-up post regarding the construction/deconstruction. Unfortunately, some of the USC-images are no longer available. http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=2747 Could this "1930" image from LAPL, be related?

1930 Area Construction

http://jpg1.lapl.org/00079/00079534.jpg

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Tom Bergin's Old Horseshoe Tavern

840 So. Fairfax just south of Wilshire




I found this postcard on Tuesday, and today I found out it is closing after 77 years!



http://blogs.laweekly.com/squidink/2...losing_fai.php
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Old Posted Jul 5, 2013, 10:40 PM
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Look at that! Great. Thanks :-)

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The year before, Norstrom & Anderson had also designed a building directly across the street, on Sunset Boulevard's north side ... and for the same developers. Fortunately, that building still exists, and is best known as the home of the Laugh Factory and Greenblatt's Delicatessen:


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Hi Loren and welcome! What I gather from your post is that some streets have disappeared over time? Did the local landowners just meld the land into their property or did the city legally abandon the streets?
Street vacation goes on all the time. If you ask me, we're losing way too many of our little noirish nooks and crannies (often to developers).

This is by Kaiser Brother Honda, Venice & Figueroa
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=10629

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=10622

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Old Posted Jul 5, 2013, 11:06 PM
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Would like a better look at this map by Felix Viole:

http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...ANS1E4JE6P.jpg



Felix worked on this one too.

Notice 4% paid on savings accounts. 5% on [longer] term deposits. Medicinal Wines. Presaging prohibition, or just covering all bases? Santa Monica is reachable electrically through "four different electric roads."


1904/5
http://www.raremaps.com/maps/large/26399.jpg
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