Dense Areas Outside CBDs in American Cities / Dense Suburbs

[LA21st]

Originally Posted by Sun Belt

Santa Monica seems like what you're looking for. I wouldn't call it European style, I would call it North American style development and density. Dense residential districts some historic, some post war garden units mixed with a growing supply of modern infill all of which is on a street grid. Had rail access, scrapped it, then reconstructed and restored rail service to downtown Los Angeles with the Expo Line.

https://www.google.com/maps/@34.0165...7i13312!8i6656

Suburban LA has a bunch of those areas.

[cjreisen]

^^ Please provide a larger scale example then?

[destroycreate]

San Diego (Hometown)

University City - San Diego, CA
Now that I think about it, this is a very unusual type of cityscape for SoCal.

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.8685...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.8704...7i13312!8i6656

Park Blvd/Hillcrest - San Diego

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7476...7i13312!8i6656

Banker's Hill

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7443...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7372...7i13312!8i6656

[subterranean]

Originally Posted by cjreisen

It's incredible to see a city so rapidly transform from suburban to urban, and it seems it's just beginning. Do you have any other examples in the PNW or Portland metro?

There aren't a bunch of examples of that magnitude on street view yet, but there is a lot going in now that will show in the years to come. Here are a couple more across Cornell in Hillsboro - near Intel:

https://www.google.com/maps/@45.5346...7i13312!8i6656

And although these aren't as dense, these single family homes are of a new urbanist style reminiscent of the early 1900s in the same neighborhood (built in the 1990s):

https://www.google.com/maps/@45.5360...7i13312!8i6656

More new houses in an older style. Note that garages are not in front, and much smaller yards:

https://www.google.com/maps/@45.5283...7i13312!8i6656

This is my neighborhood in Aloha (unincorporated Washington County between Hillsboro and Beaverton, OR) near Nike. Mostly just townhouses, but there are larger apartments in the area as well.

https://www.google.com/maps/@45.5065...7i13312!8i6656

[lrt's friend]

Ottawa Ontario features a long stretch of Wellington Street West/Richmond Road that includes a very eclectic mix of old and modern buildings, low rise and high rise and everything in between. The area referred to locally as Hintonburg and Westboro has become one of the most popular places in the city away from downtown and includes a wide variety of independent shops and restaurants. With Phase 2 of the Confederation LRT line to reach this area by 2023, the area will continue to densify and likely will fill in the towers in a park environment further west. Historically, this is one of Ottawa's best streetcar suburbs that has boomed in recent years.

Richmond and Golden at the west end of Westboro.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/We...!4d-75.7298177

[Sun Belt]

Originally Posted by LA21st

Suburban LA has a bunch of those areas.

Found this picture from the LA development discussion of Glendale, CA.

Originally Posted by WonderlandPark2

Aerial shot of Glendale I took monday, look at all that surface parking that has gone bye bye.

[mhays]

Dallas doughnuts? Less dense than they appear, but not terrible.

[cjreisen]

Originally Posted by subterranean

There aren't a bunch of examples of that magnitude on street view yet, but there is a lot going in now that will show in the years to come. Here are a couple more across Cornell in Hillsboro - near Intel:

https://www.google.com/maps/@45.5346...7i13312!8i6656

And although these aren't as dense, these single family homes are of a new urbanist style reminiscent of the early 1900s in the same neighborhood (built in the 1990s):

https://www.google.com/maps/@45.5360...7i13312!8i6656

More new houses in an older style. Note that garages are not in front, and much smaller yards:

https://www.google.com/maps/@45.5283...7i13312!8i6656

This is my neighborhood in Aloha (unincorporated Washington County between Hillsboro and Beaverton, OR) near Nike. Mostly just townhouses, but there are larger apartments in the area as well.

https://www.google.com/maps/@45.5065...7i13312!8i6656

First developments in the top here look incredible, amazing to see how progressive Oregon cities tend to be with their urban planning. I love how the policies there are conducive to this type of development. Do you have more examples in Eugene or Portland or even Bend?

[cjreisen]

Originally Posted by mhays

Dallas doughnuts? Less dense than they appear, but not terrible.

Agreed, I actually love them, it's a great way to begin the urban transition in American cities where people want/need cars, whilst starting to accumulate the critical mass necessary to start developing buildings without parking.

[mademan404]

Originally Posted by LA21st

That Atlanta link is only a few blocks.

True, but reading is fundamental. The OP asked for an example of a particular style of development. The Inman Park example of infill met that criteria almost perfectly; minus a few stories of height. I wish the city was more dense and walkable but coming from Brooklyn I didn't expect to be impressed by urbanity in Georgia.

[mhays]

Originally Posted by cjreisen

Agreed, I actually love them, it's a great way to begin the urban transition in American cities where people want/need cars, whilst starting to accumulate the critical mass necessary to start developing buildings without parking.

I don't know about Glendale, but many cities require way more parking than the residents want, and some developers would build way less if they could. Of course people self-select what buildings they live in...those without cars will often pick the place that's 20% cheaper because it doesn't come with a parking space. Even a city where most people drive will have some who don't, including some who can afford any given income level.

[1Boston]

Here's some "suburbs" of boston

Somerville:
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3961...7i13312!8i6656

Quincy:
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.2504...7i13312!8i6656

Medford:
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4183...7i13312!8i6656

Brookline (coolidge corner):
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3423...7i13312!8i6656

Norwood:
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.1929...7i13312!8i6656



theres tons more than this

[cjreisen]

Originally Posted by mademan404

True, but reading is fundamental. The OP asked for an example of a particular style of development. The Inman Park example of infill met that criteria almost perfectly; minus a few stories of height. I wish the city was more dense and walkable but coming from Brooklyn I didn't expect to be impressed by urbanity in Georgia.

You did a good job, it was nearly exactly what i was looking for, as you said, minus a couple floors. I wish more people would post similar examples.

Here's another example in the south, in my former home of Raleigh:

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.7863...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.7863...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.7897...7i13312!8i6656

[Investing In Chicago]

It's not clear to me what exactly you are looking for based on your OP:

Originally Posted by cjreisen

I'm sure a thread for this already may exist. But I'm curious what cities have highly dense residential areas outside their cores, and what suburbs might be highly dense? I'm thinking European Style development with 5-10 story buildings that span multiple blocks. I am not aware where this may exist, but an obvious and appropriate example would be the Wharf opening in the next month in Washington DC, Fenway District in Boston, as well as pretty much any large suburb of DC in Virginia. For example the Mosaic District in Fairfax.

Can anyone please post pictures of other places that fit this criteria? I believe dense suburbs are the future of American cities and would love to see examples of existing examples.

None of the links you just posted above are "European Style" (whatever that means)....Are you looking for New Construction 5-10 story neighborhoods built from the ground up outside a city core, regardless of architecture style?

[cjreisen]

Originally Posted by Investing In Chicago

It's not clear to me what exactly you are looking for based on your OP:




None of the links you just posted above are "European Style" (whatever that means)....Are you looking for New Construction 5-10 story neighborhoods built from the ground up outside a city core, regardless of architecture style?

Honestly I don't care if it's in suburbs or not, just that it's 5-10 story new construction that flanks a street on both sides in the same way conventional european cities are.

I can post side by side europe vs america if you need.

Budapest vs San Diego

https://www.google.com/maps/@47.5148...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7117...7i13312!8i6656

[The North One]

Originally Posted by cjreisen

Budapest vs San Diego

https://www.google.com/maps/@47.5148...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7117...7i13312!8i6656

Those streets aren't built in the same way at all...

[cjreisen]

Originally Posted by The North One

Those streets aren't built in the same way at all...

Blah blah blah you're annoying, just post pics like san diego then, I don't care, I'm just trying to give an idea. And they are the same, you're just trying to be a contrarian. The latter is a modern version of the former.

[emathias]

Originally Posted by The North One

Those streets aren't built in the same way at all...

Originally Posted by cjreisen

Honestly I don't care if it's in suburbs or not, just that it's 5-10 story new construction that flanks a street on both sides in the same way conventional european cities are.

I can post side by side europe vs america if you need.

Budapest vs San Diego

https://www.google.com/maps/@47.5148...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7117...7i13312!8i6656

Here's Bergen, Norway - I've seen stuff like that San Diego scene in multiple Scandinavian cities. The San Diego street has more streetscaping than is commonin Scandinavia, but otherwise I don't see them as being dramatically different.

Bergen, Norway:
https://goo.gl/maps/x5dmvtfkRCt

[cjreisen]

^^ Thank you, the San Diego example is just a modern version of the European model, and that's what I'm looking for. People are examining my posts way too much and making this unnecessarily complicated. The only argument for San Diego not looking like Budapest, is the ground retail and landscaping, But Streetscape isn't my concern, it's density and that European sense of tightness in the street that I like.

[The North One]

Originally Posted by cjreisen

Blah blah blah you're annoying, just post pics like san diego then, I don't care, I'm just trying to give an idea. And they are the same, you're just trying to be a contrarian. The latter is a modern version of the former.

This is the first time I replied to you, try not to throw a tantrum.

Maybe don't throw the word European around when you don't know what you're talking about? There are major differences between your examples, even calling it a "modern version" is a stretch.