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Old Posted Feb 8, 2019, 7:20 PM
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The Heart of Canada's Opiod Crisis......

What is the Province and City doing about this?

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https://604now.com/overdose-in-bc-report-2018/

OVER 1,400 PEOPLE DIED FROM AN OVERDOSE IN BC LAST YEAR

A new report from the BC Coroners Service highlights how many people died from an overdose in BC last year.

According to the report,1,489 people died by overdose due to a poisoned, unregulated drug supply in 2018.

RELATED: Should Fentanyl Dealers Be Charged With Manslaughter in BC?

“My heart goes out to every family that has lost a loved one to overdose. This crisis truly shows us that people from all walks of life – professionals, people living in poverty, tradespeople and many other sectors – are all affected by addiction” said Judy Darcy, Minister of Mental Health and Addictions in a statement.

Darcy goes on to highlight just how serious this issue is.

“By the end of this day, four people will die from an overdose in British Columbia. Most of these people will die alone – with no one beside them, no one to call for help. Each life lost is an unspeakable tragedy”.

There were 112 suspected drug overdose deaths in December 2018. This is an 8% increase
over the number of deaths occurring in December 2017 (104) and a 6% decrease over the
number of deaths occurring in November 2018 (119).
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https://604now.com/overdose-in-bc-report-2018/

OVER 1,400 PEOPLE DIED FROM AN OVERDOSE IN BC LAST YEAR

A new report from the BC Coroners Service highlights how many people died from an overdose in BC last year.

According to the report,1,489 people died by overdose due to a poisoned, unregulated drug supply in 2018.

RELATED: Should Fentanyl Dealers Be Charged With Manslaughter in BC?

“My heart goes out to every family that has lost a loved one to overdose. This crisis truly shows us that people from all walks of life – professionals, people living in poverty, tradespeople and many other sectors – are all affected by addiction” said Judy Darcy, Minister of Mental Health and Addictions in a statement.

Darcy goes on to highlight just how serious this issue is.

“By the end of this day, four people will die from an overdose in British Columbia. Most of these people will die alone – with no one beside them, no one to call for help. Each life lost is an unspeakable tragedy”.

There were 112 suspected drug overdose deaths in December 2018. This is an 8% increase
over the number of deaths occurring in December 2017 (104) and a 6% decrease over the
number of deaths occurring in November 2018 (119).
Well technically we'd still have overdoses if the supply was regulated, just a lot less. Unless the amount of people who did drugs went up to balance?

But yeah I totally agree, we should be cracking down on drug dealers asian style.

Shoot first and plant evidence later /s
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I'm not challenging the idea that more should be done to reduce the death rate from the use of illicit drugs. Fentanyl is a huge factor in the higher death rate. "A review of completed cases from 2016-18 indicates that the top four detected drugs relevant to illicit drug overdose deaths were fentanyl (79%), cocaine (49%), thamphetamine/amphetamine (31%), and heroin (20%)"

The suggestion that this is only - or mainly - a DTES problem, is completely inaccurate. From the BC Coroner's Report: "In 2018, 86% of fatal illicit drug overdoses occurred inside (58% in private residences, 24% in other residences including social and supportive housing, SROs, shelters, and hotels, and 4% in other inside locations) and 12% occurred outside in vehicles, sidewalks, streets, parks, etc."

As a 2017 VPD report on the opioid crisis noted "VCH (Vancouver Coastal Health) has also recently opened five overdose prevention sites in Vancouver, where addicted persons may consume illicit drugs with staff present to intervene if an overdose occurs. There have been no deaths at these sites."

Following a long line of other professionals, The Medical Health Officer recently called for all illicit drugs to be regulated, after 'cocaine' tested at the DTES safe injection site was shown to be 20% fentanyl, cut with lactose. [source]

Last week St Paul's Hospital announced that they're trialing 'instant treatment' for anyone who gets transported to ER there with an overdose. "Patients who visit St. Paul’s after an opioid overdose will now leave the hospital’s emergency department with a supply of addiction-treatment pills.

Providence Health Care and Vancouver Coastal Health have launched a pilot program at the downtown hospital that gives these patients bottles containing three days worth of Suboxone, provided by a specially trained addiction nurse. They will form a plan for follow-up care and get clear instructions about when to take the pills.

A nurse will direct the patients toward follow-up treatment and community resources, including the St. Paul’s Rapid Access Addiction Clinic. The free clinic provides people with immediate short-term addictions treatment and transfers them to a community care provider for longer-term rehabilitation
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So it's not that nothing is being tried - it's just that it's not helping enough, and so far the more radical moves proposed by healthcare professionals have been politically viewed as a step too far.
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I'm not challenging the idea that more should be done to reduce the death rate from the use of illicit drugs. Fentanyl is a huge factor in the higher death rate. "A review of completed cases from 2016-18 indicates that the top four detected drugs relevant to illicit drug overdose deaths were fentanyl (79%), cocaine (49%), thamphetamine/amphetamine (31%), and heroin (20%)"
Since those add up to over 100% I'm assuming people tested positive for multiple substances. I think it's clear that Fentanyl is the main culprit here. Which of course has been linked to the giant money laundering/casino/real estate mess the government is trying to dig through.


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The suggestion that this is only - or mainly - a DTES problem, is completely inaccurate. From the BC Coroner's Report: "In 2018, 86% of fatal illicit drug overdoses occurred inside (58% in private residences, 24% in other residences including social and supportive housing, SROs, shelters, and hotels, and 4% in other inside locations) and 12% occurred outside in vehicles, sidewalks, streets, parks, etc."
Definitely. A lot of people who aren't experienced are getting bad drugs, their system isn't used to anything, and boom, they are dead.

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So it's not that nothing is being tried - it's just that it's not helping enough, and so far the more radical moves proposed by healthcare professionals have been politically viewed as a step too far.
Yes, a ton of things are being tried, and it feels like there isn't a lot of central organization or an overall "plan". I think what is missing is more data, or at least publicly published data. Even the supervised injection sites, sure "no deaths" is good, but how many people came in? How many OD'd but were saved because of where they are?
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Since those add up to over 100% I'm assuming people tested positive for multiple substances. I think it's clear that Fentanyl is the main culprit here. Which of course has been linked to the giant money laundering/casino/real estate mess the government is trying to dig through.
Yes - I assume it's fentanyl added to other drugs that causes most deaths, except as noted above when it's pure fentanyl sold as a different drug.

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I think what is missing is more data, or at least publicly published data. Even the supervised injection sites, sure "no deaths" is good, but how many people came in? How many OD'd but were saved because of where they are?
Coastal Health fund Insite (the original DTES safe injection site) and publish cumulative and annual statistics here. They say: "More than 3.6 million clients have injected illicit drugs under supervision by nurses at Insite since 2003. There have been 48,798 clinical treatment visits and 6,440 overdose interventions without any deaths." (Obviously it's not 3.6 million individual clients - but that many times people have come through the door to use the facility. It looks like something over 18,000 users).

The new Mayor at the City of Vancouver has already set up Overdose Emergency Task Force, and reported to Council. The previous City raised extra property taxes to provide a variety of actions last year, despite, as the report notes, not really having jurisdiction over health. "While the City is not mandated to deliver health services, it has a long standing role in advocating reducing the harms caused by illicit drug use, recognizing addictions as a public health issue, not a criminal one, and promoting access to a wide range of treatment options." Some of the statistics for where the greatest likelihood of dying from an overdose are in the report, and reported in the Georgia Straight. While harm reduction seems to be working, to a degree, in the DTES, where there's only one death associated with 27 calls to emergency services concerning an overdose, down Kingsway in Kensington it's one death with every four calls, the worst ratio in the city. (In Mount Pleasant it's twice as bad as the DTES, with one death for every 13 calls).
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I'm not challenging the idea that more should be done to reduce the death rate from the use of illicit drugs. Fentanyl is a huge factor in the higher death rate. "A review of completed cases from 2016-18 indicates that the top four detected drugs relevant to illicit drug overdose deaths were fentanyl (79%), cocaine (49%), thamphetamine/amphetamine (31%), and heroin (20%)"
Surprised that the other drugs have such high overdose death rates. I guess that is an argument against legalizing clean drugs since the other 3 big ones seem quite deadly too.
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Surprised that the other drugs have such high overdose death rates. I guess that is an argument against legalizing clean drugs since the other 3 big ones seem quite deadly too.
Read the comment from WarrenC12. Fentanyl was present in the system of 79% of the people who died. Presumably in many cases it was present with another drug - probably whichever drug the user thought they were buying. It's the fentanyl that invariably kills a user - it's a much more powerful drug, although if Naloxone can be administered quickly enough the effects can be reversed. That's why the death rate isn't higher in the DTES - there are a lot of people around with access to Naloxone and who know how to administer it.
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Read the comment from WarrenC12. Fentanyl was present in the system of 79% of the people who died. Presumably in many cases it was present with another drug - probably whichever drug the user thought they were buying. It's the fentanyl that invariably kills a user - it's a much more powerful drug, although if Naloxone can be administered quickly enough the effects can be reversed. That's why the death rate isn't higher in the DTES - there are a lot of people around with access to Naloxone and who know how to administer it.
Drugs even without fentanyl had been killing people for decades, except this time it is faster. Providing clean drugs won't really solve the problem because drug smugglers simply introduce other things, free for all, at least in the beginning. Addicts will not care as long as they get high, so they will take whatever they can get when they have the intense cravings. There are many band-aid procedures implemented or suggested, but they never remove the scourge: they just make it worse, as is evident today.

I say for those who don't do detox on their own accord, there should be a social mechanism to force them into detox.

And why aren't we making drug trafficking more of a severe crime. Traffickers, manufacturers as well as pushers are basically murderers. They kill others to make a profit. They should get automatic life sentences.
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Question we need to ask ourselves is: "Why are we the worst when it comes to the use of drugs and getting high in Canada? Are we West-coasters such a depressed bunch? What's wrong with us?"

Anybody can answer that?


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Agree with this article except for the last part about providing free opiod: Don't think addicts will opt to get clean and ultimately still get killed by one of those fentanyl-laced street drugs.


https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2019/01/0...Fentanyl-Myth/
The Great Fentanyl Myth, and How We’re Killing Drug Users
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It seems unlikely we can control the supply of fentanyl to any meaningful extent - at least not in the short term. It's extraordinarily potent, and it can be mailed in small packages that wouldn't attract any attention in the mail, and still have huge potential - to get the user high, or to kill them. "A few hundred micrograms – the weight of a single grain of salt – are enough to trigger heroin-like bliss. But the line between euphoria and fatal overdose is frighteningly thin: An amount the size of two grains of salt can kill a healthy adult." [source].

Why Canada? From the Globe and Mail article (above) - "No other country in the world consumes more prescription opioids on a per-capita basis, according to a recent United Nations report. The widespread use of prescription opioids is behind the rise of a new class of drug addicts, many of whom are turning to the black market to feed their habit."

Deaths from opioids are actually worse in the US than in Canada overall. More than 70,200 Americans died from drug overdoses in 2017, including illicit drugs and prescription opioids—a 2-fold increase in a decade. 47,600 of those deaths involved some form of opioid, and the sharpest increase occurred among deaths related to fentanyl and fentanyl analogs (other synthetic narcotics) with more than 28,400 overdose deaths. With a 2017 population of 325 million, that's 1 in 6,800 people dying of opioid use.

I haven't found a 2018 number for Canada yet, but In 2017 there were 3,987 deaths linked to the use of opioids, and the first half of 2018 saw over 2,000 deaths, so it's probably still going up. There were 36 million people in Canada in 2017, so around 1 in 9,000 died of opioid use in 2017. I'm guessing it's higher in BC, probably because our drug supply is the most contaminated.

That's partly why the health authorities and the police favour supplying safe sources of opioids to users. Ironically, (and shown by the death rates) the greater problem is with recreational users - not addicts in the DTES. There the likelihood is there's someone else around who knows what's happening, and where Naloxone can be found, and there's a good chance of saving their life. Using 'cocaine' in a West End apartment is probably higher risk. I don't know how you go down the road of ensuring a supply of unadulterated drugs available to users like that, although we've done it with cannabis, and the world doesn't seem to have come to an end.

Portugal legalized all drugs "Since it decriminalised all drugs in 2001, Portugal has seen dramatic drops in overdoses, HIV infection and drug-related crime" Anything other than legalization and a safer supply of drugs will probably see continued high death rates. It seems apparent that for now politicians aren't going to risk alienating people who don't agree with that idea, so the death rate will probably stay at least at the level we've seen in the past two years.
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Also worth noting that fentanyl is just a super-powerful opioid. Users who are hardcore addicts need something at that level (or a large dose of heroin), to get the high they are looking for. So some seek it out, cut to a certain level. Risky, of course.
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It seems unlikely we can control the supply of fentanyl to any meaningful extent - at least not in the short term. It's extraordinarily potent, and it can be mailed in small packages that wouldn't attract any attention in the mail, and still have huge potential - to get the user high, or to kill them. "A few hundred micrograms – the weight of a single grain of salt – are enough to trigger heroin-like bliss. But the line between euphoria and fatal overdose is frighteningly thin: An amount the size of two grains of salt can kill a healthy adult." [source].

Why Canada? From the Globe and Mail article (above) - "No other country in the world consumes more prescription opioids on a per-capita basis, according to a recent United Nations report. The widespread use of prescription opioids is behind the rise of a new class of drug addicts, many of whom are turning to the black market to feed their habit."

Deaths from opioids are actually worse in the US than in Canada overall. More than 70,200 Americans died from drug overdoses in 2017, including illicit drugs and prescription opioids—a 2-fold increase in a decade. 47,600 of those deaths involved some form of opioid, and the sharpest increase occurred among deaths related to fentanyl and fentanyl analogs (other synthetic narcotics) with more than 28,400 overdose deaths. With a 2017 population of 325 million, that's 1 in 6,800 people dying of opioid use.

I haven't found a 2018 number for Canada yet, but In 2017 there were 3,987 deaths linked to the use of opioids, and the first half of 2018 saw over 2,000 deaths, so it's probably still going up. There were 36 million people in Canada in 2017, so around 1 in 9,000 died of opioid use in 2017. I'm guessing it's higher in BC, probably because our drug supply is the most contaminated.

That's partly why the health authorities and the police favour supplying safe sources of opioids to users. Ironically, (and shown by the death rates) the greater problem is with recreational users - not addicts in the DTES. There the likelihood is there's someone else around who knows what's happening, and where Naloxone can be found, and there's a good chance of saving their life. Using 'cocaine' in a West End apartment is probably higher risk. I don't know how you go down the road of ensuring a supply of unadulterated drugs available to users like that, although we've done it with cannabis, and the world doesn't seem to have come to an end.

Portugal legalized all drugs "Since it decriminalised all drugs in 2001, Portugal has seen dramatic drops in overdoses, HIV infection and drug-related crime" Anything other than legalization and a safer supply of drugs will probably see continued high death rates. It seems apparent that for now politicians aren't going to risk alienating people who don't agree with that idea, so the death rate will probably stay at least at the level we've seen in the past two years.
That's why the US is going down the drain. I don't think there is a lot of attention paid to the lower echelon of the society when the whole country is either obssessed about their own bread and butter, or continue to prop up the 1%. Many areas of the country are fast joining the Third World, and it just happens to be the richest country in the world only because of its glorious past.

That brings me back to DTES. It is true that Canada as a whole is still pretty good at managing the opiod/fentanyl crisis. I don't see huge zombie neighbourhoods when I visit cities like Victoria, Calgary, Toronto, Ottawa, Montreal, Quebec City, etc. However, we in Vancouver have drug/fentanyl death rate figures that challenge the worst areas in the US. That is indeed very shameful, in that we as a society has let DTES slide from bad to worse. I do seriously think we need more drastic actions.

There should be zero tolerance of all illegal drug sales, and criminals caught need to be punished to the highest extents of the law. Hard core addicts need to be forced into detox before they start offing themselves. Drug crimes should be treated like homicide cases, and hardcore addicts should be considered as suicidal. We don't let a murderer back on the street after being caught, do we? And we would obviously stop a desperate and suicidal person from attempting to jump from a bridge, by force if necessary.

I understand there would be lot of resistance from a whole slew of people about what I just said, but desperate times need desperate measures. More humane measures, like counselling and support, participating in voluntary detox programmes, etc. can always be the follow-up after the crisis is averted.

One thing I can't stand is to hear a politician make a request to flood the market with free drugs, and leave it at that. Yeah, we may reduce the quick-deaths, but it only achieves to prolong the torture and delay the inevitable. DTES is still going to be there.
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Also worth noting that fentanyl is just a super-powerful opioid. Users who are hardcore addicts need something at that level (or a large dose of heroin), to get the high they are looking for. So some seek it out, cut to a certain level. Risky, of course.
We need to ban pharmaceutical companies from manufacturing opioid as a painkiller. Jail any medical practitioner for prescribing that to their patients. That would definitely stop this scourge from the "Health Care system".
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We need to ban pharmaceutical companies from manufacturing opioid as a painkiller. Jail any medical practitioner for prescribing that to their patients. That would definitely stop this scourge from the "Health Care system".
Fetenyl is used all the time and is totally safe when administered by professionals.

Try popping a kid out of your vagina without it. Epidurals are made from fetenyl

but I get what you are trying to say


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Fetenyl is used all the time and is totally safe when administered by professionals.

Try popping a kick out of your vagina without it. Epidurals are made from fetenyl

but I get what you are trying to say
I think you meant kid

There are people (eg with chronic pain problems) who genuinely need fentanyl - and who wish they didn't. This crisis has made life much more difficult for them. It isn't a simple black and white situation, and knee jerk reactions aren't helping.
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They use cocaine as a topical for eye surgery. Works like a charm.

But I agree that the rise in drug abuse of painkillers is very much linked to doctors prescribing them like candy.
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