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Old Posted Dec 3, 2020, 3:01 PM
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Back to slow times again at the airport. I counted the number of flights departing today and there are only 13, 3 of which are regionals on Calm Air or Bearskin.

Not quite as low as the depths of April/May when there were some days with only around 6 departures, but this is in line with what we saw towards the end of March when lockdown 1 had just begun. I wonder what the loads are like on the departing flights?
The restrictions have really demonstrated how provinces can be mostly self-contained entities if logistics networks are functioning.

I mean, aside from a few things, what does the average Manitoban need that they couldn't get in Winnipeg or in-province?
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Old Posted Dec 3, 2020, 9:13 PM
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In what way? We could likely be self sufficient for food and water. But basically everything comes from across the world. Clothes/textiles not from Manitoba. Electronics or supplies to make electronics not from Manitoba. Etc, etc.

If you're meaning logistics as in we can still ship stuff in, then ya it's really no different than any other time. Just we can't travel. Which is not really self sufficient.

Don't even really need truckers. Ship everything on trains would be ultimately the safest way if you really wanted to shut everything down.
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In what way? We could likely be self sufficient for food and water. But basically everything comes from across the world. Clothes/textiles not from Manitoba. Electronics or supplies to make electronics not from Manitoba. Etc, etc.

If you're meaning logistics as in we can still ship stuff in, then ya it's really no different than any other time. Just we can't travel. Which is not really self sufficient.

Don't even really need truckers. Ship everything on trains would be ultimately the safest way if you really wanted to shut everything down.
I think he is saying there is no need for anyone to leave the province other then supply chains and logistics.
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Palm trees and the ocean.

I’m grateful for the mild November and December thus far.
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Haven’t checked in on this thread in a while, anyone know if progress is moving forward on revamping the airport restrictions regarding residential development in the airport vicinity ?
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Haven’t checked in on this thread in a while, anyone know if progress is moving forward on revamping the airport restrictions regarding residential development in the airport vicinity ?
Here’s the latest.

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Polo Park developer says 'frustrating' delay on municipal board hearing puts project at risk

"For them to say they want economic development — put your money where your mouth is," Zarnowski said.
Shindico's partner in the Polo Park project, Cadillac Fairview, is doing a similar project in Montreal, Zarnowski says, and has to weigh its risks.
"They don't have a drop-dead date, but every day has a risk," he says.
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5804837
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Blah blah blah. "Its a huge risk" zarnowski says. For what? Cadillac Fairview to lose interest? You're dealing with the government and asking then to change regulations. What do you expect? Just typical posturing, like the Portage Place people did. Stomp your feet a bit. Wah wah wah. Theres my Saturday morning rant.
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Blah blah blah. "Its a huge risk" zarnowski says. For what? Cadillac Fairview to lose interest? You're dealing with the government and asking then to change regulations. What do you expect? Just typical posturing, like the Portage Place people did. Stomp your feet a bit. Wah wah wah. Theres my Saturday morning rant.
But he has a good point, CF only has so much capital, if MB doesn’t want the investment they will take it elsewhere.
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^ True, but the land isn't going anywhere. It becomes a more appealing development site with each passing year.

The upside to all of this is that maybe the land-use policy review triggered by all of this might lead to a more flexible set of policies within the airport district. CF has to put up with the annoyance and delay of being the first in line, but hopefully it'll pave the way for more a more efficient process in the future.
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The city should also (hopefully) be taking into account what the future RT plans are for Portage, as Polo would likely be the biggest station outside downtown (if it isn't already). There's the opportunity to work with CF on a fantastic TOD development centred around a signature station.

It sounds like the RT plan is to have busses in the centre on Portage, but they could easily have them cross over to the north side to make a fantastic drive-in station directly connected to Polo and all its new residential development. Then it goes back to centre median west of St. James. Examples of this all over the world, and Canada.
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If CF can only do one project, Montreal is a better bet than Winnipeg for them. He's from Shindico and of course wants the business.
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Some news about the Aviation Museum, today's Free Press

https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/ou....html#cxrecs_s

Sounds like it will be a huge improvement over the old facility and make a great first impression for the city.
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Passenger traffic levels appear to be in a long-term depression now... looking at today's departure board, there are 14 flights leaving, 4 of which are small regionals. Those are basically the same traffic levels that there were in April after the worst of lockdown 1 (when it got down to 6-8 flights a day for a while).

I'd imagine that loads are a little bit higher now, maybe not quite as many 737s and 320s heading out with only 20 people on them as there were back in the spring, but still abysmally low numbers.
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The industry has gone through some long term changes. I don't have a source on it but Amazon, which had been leasing cargo planes, actually went and purchased a number of passenger planes not long ago. The older passenger planes are slated for cargo conversions. It is game changing as these were the slightly older planes airlines like WestJet still had in active service about a year ago (pre-pandemic). That airlines are willing to let airframes go suggests that they are expecting the current decline in passenger traffic to be a lot longer and slower to recover when it does.
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That was in the news recently... https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/ama...tjet-1.5861635

For what it's worth I think the 767s that WestJet sold to Amazon weren't intended to a long term asset for the airline... they was part of their initial steps into long haul routes before WestJet moved on to 787s. So I'm pretty sure they were going to get rid of them anyway, although I suppose if covid hadn't happened and traffic was normal, they might have held on to them longer.
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Passenger traffic levels appear to be in a long-term depression now... looking at today's departure board, there are 14 flights leaving, 4 of which are small regionals. Those are basically the same traffic levels that there were in April after the worst of lockdown 1 (when it got down to 6-8 flights a day for a while).

I'd imagine that loads are a little bit higher now, maybe not quite as many 737s and 320s heading out with only 20 people on them as there were back in the spring, but still abysmally low numbers.
I can't imagine with all the travel restrictions anyone really wants to travel much beyond their home jurisdiction. More importantly, does one really have to for most things in life?

A lot of the numbers in winter (for all Canadian airports) are probably driven by sun-seekers. Not trying to throw shade on Winnipeg specifically, but there's not a ton of people who make a vacation or trip there in the middle of winter unless they have a very specific reason to do so.

The domestic market in Canada is very seasonal. The overall numbers don't vary as much monthly because the destinations shift - summer is domestic/Europe focused, while winter is sun-focused.
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While YHM is mostly a cargo airport, Hamilton's Canadian Warplane Heritage Museum shares a parking lot with the passenger terminal.

https://www.warplane.com/

You can actually book a flight in one of the working planes in their collection.
If one is a warplane buff, it's definitely worth the trip if one is in Southern Ontario.

On weekends, they actually fly the Lancaster. Even if you don't take a ride ($$$), they have a great viewing area to watch it from. Love the sound of those Merlins!
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and their goes the Delta flight...
last arrival is tonight the 2nd and last departure is tomorrow the 3rd
Expected return date: unknown
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