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Old Posted Apr 13, 2021, 4:31 PM
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We need Hatman's Rio Grande plan to open up the train yard areas between downtown and I-15 for our new pro sports stadium(s)! That's really the ideal place for a stadium, or RMP's power station area on North Temple.

Or do we think Sandy and/or Draper are going to make plays to steal potential pro teams away from the capital again?
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Old Posted Apr 13, 2021, 4:32 PM
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It seems —in the current national political environment— there are opportunities for Utah and Salt Lake City to snatch up an NFL team, some companies like Coca-Cola and Delta, and perhaps land some NCAA championships:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usa...amp/7097612002

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nyt...g-law.amp.html

https://apple.news/ARSSqMlQkSYiRahtONz-Z6g

MLB’s Allstar Game already relocated from Atlanta Georgia to Denver Colorado:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbs...ia-voting-law/

Utah makes voting convenient with mail-in ballots...

Salt Lake City Falcons... I like the sound of that.
I don’t ever see SL getting a major league NFL team or MLB. Not trying to start a political conversation or bring up a negative debate. My personal opinion is bringing politics into sports will be the cancer and death of sports. People enjoy sports to escape their everyday life, stress, and it’s a time to not have to think or worry about things. Many teams and athletes have brought in their political and social agendas. Covid reasons aside I think that’s why you’re seeing a decline in interest, revenue, and overall value of the major league sports.

Nothing to do with political reasons but I don’t see SL getting another major sports teams because a few reasons. There are not enough large corporations/Fortune 500 companies here, the Mormon religion is against its people going to in person sporting events on Sunday, and I think there would be issues with even building a stadium in SL. There would be objections from all over the place whether it’s location, funding/tax dollars, ownership, etc.
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Old Posted Apr 13, 2021, 4:45 PM
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The other issue with us getting a pro team of any kind is how our population reports. Even when we are mentioned in articles like this https://syndication.bleacherreport.c...names.amp.html

We get compared to places like Green Bay and not Tampa or Sacramento. The city has a perception problem so our only hope is someone like the CEO of Qualtrecs just deciding to pour money into a franchise.
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Old Posted Apr 13, 2021, 4:47 PM
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Granted, SLC isn't a top-tier market and it has some cultural peculiarities, but the Jazz seem to do pretty well regardless

I don't think this crop of companies/teams in Georgia will consider Utah for relocation because Utah is generally a conservative state (despite SLC itself). Making a political statement against a conservative bill in GA by leaving but then choosing to relocate to an even more conservative state wouldn't really make sense. That doesn't preclude a company/team from relocating to Utah under apolitical considerations in the future though. I think it will happen eventually. Utah people love their sports and would be crazy about a new pro team.

Part of the reason the Utah/BYU rivalry is so intense is that there's no local pro football team to challenge its dominance and supersede the dichotomy.
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Old Posted Apr 13, 2021, 4:52 PM
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Granted, SLC isn't a top-tier market and it has some cultural peculiarities, but the Jazz seem to do pretty well regardless

I don't think this crop of companies/teams in Georgia will consider Utah for relocation because Utah is generally a conservative state (despite SLC itself). Making a political statement against a conservative bill in GA by leaving but then choosing to relocate to an even more conservative state wouldn't really make sense. That doesn't preclude a company/team from relocating to Utah under apolitical considerations in the future though. I think it will happen eventually. Utah people love their sports and would be crazy about a new pro team.

Part of the reason the Utah/BYU rivalry is so intense is that there's no local pro football team.
There’s a difference between filling a 19,000 seat arena and a 70,000 seat NFL stadium. The Jazz organization get an exception from the NBA to not have to play regular season home games on Sunday because they know they wouldn’t be able to fill the arena. With that, there’s no way this area could fill an NFL sized stadium on Sundays. That alone will shut down any argument.
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Old Posted Apr 13, 2021, 5:00 PM
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There’s a difference between filling a 19,000 seat arena and a 70,000 seat NFL stadium. The Jazz organization get an exception from the NBA to not have to play regular season home games on Sunday because they know they wouldn’t be able to fill the arena. With that, there’s no way this area could fill an NFL sized stadium on Sundays. That alone will shut down any argument.
Disagree 100%. SLC would have zero issuea filling a stadium 6-8 times a year on a Sunday. No issue at all

The lack of fortune 500 companies is definitely problematic
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Old Posted Apr 13, 2021, 5:56 PM
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The Jazz have played sold out games on Sunday. I have no doubt about Utah’s ability to support teams. The question is all about someone footing the bill to bring a team here and build a stadium. Speaking of footing the bill. Why is RSL sale taking so long?
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Old Posted Apr 13, 2021, 9:25 PM
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Tired arguments.

Put an NFL team in SLC and watch it flourish.

MLB is more likely. Hockey? Probably not but definitely possible.

I remember all of the stadium debate for RSL as I was heavily involved with the club at the time. Ultimately, it was the TRT tax in Sandy City that brought everything together.

I liked using the transient room tax because it was already set aside for arts and entertainment, and no Sandy City resident paid a penny, or so I was led to believe.

Of course I wish it had been built in SLC proper, even if it was going to be the Fair Grounds.
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Old Posted Apr 13, 2021, 10:12 PM
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Is Hatman's Rio Grande plan an actual possibility or just some rendering with nothing behind it? I genuinely don't know much about it but I think it looks awesome... especially if a new stadium district could replace all those tracks

I grew up in Las Vegas and it was really cool to see the entire city turn into a hardcore hockey town once the golden knights arrived. It's unbelievably popular there among locals and I'm pretty sure LV valley and Wasatch front are very similar in population? Not to mention the raiders moving there soon(but that stadium may be more dependent on tourism, not sure)
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Is Hatman's Rio Grande plan an actual possibility or just some rendering with nothing behind it? I genuinely don't know much about it but I think it looks awesome... especially if a new stadium district could replace all those tracks
It's more of the latter, a vision created by an passionate and capable forumer who knew he had a good idea and took the time to work out some of the details. With that in mind, after getting rave reviews here and on Reddit, it seems to me that it got into the hands of some more influential people and that it's not totally out of the realm of possibility now. Hatman gave us a little update in the transit thread on March 16:
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I'll break my silence to say that I have been invited to make presentations to several interested parties, and reactions seemed favorable. No fatal flaws have been discovered yet. The trick will be getting ALL invested parties to not just react favorably, but also give their support.
I'm still optimistic, but there are a lot of people and organizations left to reach. This is going to be a long process, as it should be.
That said, I'm going to try and keep a low profile online, especially on this forum. I don't want to say anything stupid that would blow the whole thing up. Just know that I am doing all I can in the background to get The Rio Grande Plan into the hands of the right people.
So yes, any help that anyone can provide is always greatly appreciated!
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Old Posted Apr 14, 2021, 12:24 AM
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The Jazz have played sold out games on Sunday. I have no doubt about Utah’s ability to support teams. The question is all about someone footing the bill to bring a team here and build a stadium. Speaking of footing the bill. Why is RSL sale taking so long?
On the road maybe? The Jazz don't play home games on Sundays for this exact reason.

https://www.espn.com/nba/team/schedule/_/name/utah
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BSL has the scoop on the project at the former site of the homeless shelter in the Depot District. Breaking ground this fall, the "RIO" will be 7 stories, 210 units (1/4 of them 60-80% AMI), 4000 sq. ft. of ground floor retail, designed by Dwell Design Studio. Dwell is based in Atlanta and has also recently designed the CINQ and the new Utah Theater Tower.



This is such an exciting project! I really like how you can see some hints of CINQ in the design, as well as the building west across the street. I do think this will look really nice across from The Gateway and will help to continue the rapidly expanding wall of development along 200 South.

I'm actually surprised how quickly they are moving on this, it was only bought two months ago: https://www.buildingsaltlake.com/the...cal-developer/ So good for dbUrban.

I do think there is going to be some public pushback on this one, unfortunately.
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Old Posted Apr 14, 2021, 1:11 AM
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There should be public pushback. They demolished the homeless center for a project that has 25% "affordable" units. It's a joke. Meanwhile there's still like 3 tent cities - if not more - in walking distance.

This project itself isn't really the issue, but remember when Salt Lake was considered a leader in dealing with homelessness issues? That feels like a lifetime ago.
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Old Posted Apr 14, 2021, 1:28 AM
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The whole homeless decision process has been an utter failure. In fact, I think it's been one of the biggest failures in state/city history. Just a complete and total devastating reaction that failed to correct the issue.

And shit, remember like six years ago when everyone was pointing to Utah as an example of how to deal with homeless?

I fear it'll only get worse as we come out of the pandemic and so many people who lost their housing, or jobs, won't be able to even afford a shitty apartment on Redwood Road and are forced into the tent cities.

Everyone involved, from the city to the legislature, should be embarrassed for the complete ineptitude of the handling of the homeless pandemic here over the last 5 or so years.

On another point: the Jazz has absolutely sold out home Sunday games but those games are typically almost always playoff games, which, not surprisingly, are better attended, as they don't play Sunday regular season games at home.

The thing is, Salt Lake is very much a front-running town. I know we don't like to act like it is but it is.

In 2013, the Jazz ranked 13th in the NBA in % of capacity.

In 2014, the Jazz ranked 19th in % of capacity.

In 2015, the Jazz ranked 16th.

In 2016, the Jazz ranked 17th.

Every one of those seasons the Jazz missed the playoffs.

And that was before they reduced capacity, which took the Viv from the 6th largest NBA arena to the 12th smallest.

I think the NFL could succeed here - if the team was good. But if they aren't good, say, they're basically the Jacksonville Jaguars, who, outside 2017, hadn't done anything since 2007, I don't know if they'd do well enough at the gates to make up from the lack of total corporate influence.

I think Salt Lake could support a MLB team far easier than they could a NFL one.
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There should be public pushback. They demolished the homeless center for a project that has 25% "affordable" units. It's a joke. Meanwhile there's still like 3 tent cities - if not more - in walking distance.

This project itself isn't really the issue, but remember when Salt Lake was considered a leader in dealing with homelessness issues? That feels like a lifetime ago.
25% is good enough. I don’t like the method anyway. They should just supply vouchers so people can take that and find a place that works best for them instead of specified spots.
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How could an NFL team exist in a city where everywhere is closed on Sundays lol. Not trolling, just offering my insight. Its more plausible to have an MLB/NHL team.
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Would anyone be willing to please update the first page of this thread with all the currant projects and proposals for the area? Seems like there’s a lot listed there that are dead, as well as many that are very much alive or under construction but not mentioned. Thanks I’m advance! :-)
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25% is good enough. I don’t like the method anyway. They should just supply vouchers so people can take that and find a place that works best for them instead of specified spots.
Obviously even if the whole development were affordable, it would only make a small dent, but the whole thing seems a bit cynical doesn't it? Tear out the homeless shelter to put a mid-rise luxury housing development in its place with a token amount of semi-affordable housing (and yes, I would classify 60%-80% AMI as semi-affordable). I agree that the method of supplying affordable housing sucks, but there's nothing that Salt Lake City alone can do about that.

I do think that the design of the project is nice - a definite step above most of what we get. In most instances I would be happy for a development like that to be built. But the whole process just doesn't sit right with me.

Not to mention, all you have to do is take a walk or drive around downtown Salt Lake to realize how bad the homelessness issue is getting. I agree that we have to build more housing of all types, but I also strongly believe that we need to be prioritizing the people that are most in need now, especially in the midst of the financial damage that Covid has brought to so many people.

And I'm veering into tangent territory here, but I still believe that placing the main men's resource center in South Salt Lake was a huge mistake.
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How could an NFL team exist in a city where everywhere is closed on Sundays lol. Not trolling, just offering my insight. Its more plausible to have an MLB/NHL team.
I agree with this and everyone else who says an NFL team couldn't exist in Salt Lake. It's just not going to happen.
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Old Posted Apr 14, 2021, 7:37 AM
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My bar is open Sunday and our sales are better than most week days. You’re all living in the past or at least not in SLC if you think differently. I’ve been in Denver/Seattle/Phoenix on a Sunday. It’s the same here as it is everywhere. And yes the Jazz have sold out Sunday home games multiple times.
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