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PHILADELPHIA | 204 S. 12th Street | 436 FT | 37 FLOORS

Gayborhood or die.

Title: 204 S. 12th Street
Architect: BLTa
Developer: Midwood Investment and Development
Location: 200-204 South 12th Street, Philadelphia, PA
District: Center City
Neighborhood: Gayborhood
Floors: 37
Height: 436









448 Units + Commercial Planned for Historic Property in the Gayborhood
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Back in 2019, the Camac Baths building at 204 S. 12th St. was nominated to the Philadelphia Register of Historic Places, two years after being acquired by Midwood Investment & Development, a national real estate development firm. The Camac Baths was deemed historically significant because of its first Jewish and then gay and bisexual clientele. The historic nomination, to our understanding, does not include the whole property at 204 S. 12th St., but only the structures on the northwest corner of the parcel at Camac St. and Chancellor St.

The residential lobby will be located on St. James St. The loading entrance will be located on 12th St. There will be commercial uses on grounds 1 through 3 fronting 12th St. There will be 3 levels of underground parking. The building will be rental apartments, not for sale condos.

The project team confirmed that the historic building at Camac and Chancellor will be preserved. There are no planned uses for the building yet other than bicycle parking in the basement.

The development team also noted that they are planning on saving the mural currently located along 12th St. and they will be making a $2.2 million payment to the affordable housing trust fund.

Demolition is planned for the 3rd or 4th quarter of 2020 and construction will follow in the 2nd quarter of 2021. Construction will last roughly 31 months.
http://www.rising.realestate/448-uni...he-gayborhood/
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This looks pretty clean. I'm liking that orange almost-striping.
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AWESOME project!

Loving the height here. Will make a huge impact on the skyline.
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CDR Submission is up!

408 feet in total.

PDF here:
https://www.phila.gov/media/20200805...CZ-Reduced.pdf
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Love this!!
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From an architectural standpoint, there's a lot going on here -- international-style modernism, some brutalism, fins, definitely PSFS Building and IM Pei influenced. I love it, personally. It's a weird building. I hope it turns out like the renderings. Over 400 feet too, for east of Broad is massive.
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Isn’t it 436’ to the roof?

Regardless, superb design.
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Isn’t it 436’ to the roof?

Regardless, superb design.
You're right - it is 436 ft to the roof!
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PERMIT NUMBER: ZP-2020-007022
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FOR THE COMPLETE DEMOLISHION OF ALL STRUCTURES ON THE LOT.
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This is going to be an impressive building. I don't know what options there might have been, but the drawings showing the 12th St. elevation don't really show that there is going to be a large 2 bay loading dock right in the middle of the building. That's very unfortunate.
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This is going to be an impressive building. I don't know what options there might have been, but the drawings showing the 12th St. elevation don't really show that there is going to be a large 2 bay loading dock right in the middle of the building. That's very unfortunate.
It's unfortunate, but where else could it really have gone?
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It's incredible to me that none of you can even imagine wanting to save the building at 12th & Chancellor, or that no one is bothered by adding a new large curb cut on 12th.
Except that someone already has brought up the loading dock on 12th???

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This is going to be an impressive building. I don't know what options there might have been, but the drawings showing the 12th St. elevation don't really show that there is going to be a large 2 bay loading dock right in the middle of the building. That's very unfortunate.
Please read the thread before making a sweeping accusation like that.

As for the structure on 12th and Chancellor, it is indeed a pretty building. However I’m willing to trade it for a 400’ apartment building if it also means that 1) said building is architecturally appealing and not just a glass box and 2) said building replaces that horrid gym building.
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Please read the thread before making a sweeping accusation like that.

As for the structure on 12th and Chancellor, it is indeed a pretty building. However I’m willing to trade it for a 400’ apartment building if it also means that 1) said building is architecturally appealing and not just a glass box and 2) said building replaces that horrid gym building.
What sweeping accusation? I said that it was unfortunate that the drawings don't better show what I think many people won't like. Show me an attractive active loading dock in a similar situation. Maybe with enough public pressure a better solution could be figured out. That process would start with public knowledge. Otherwise this appears to be a very good building and I hope it goes up.
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What sweeping accusation? I said that it was unfortunate that the drawings don't better show what I think many people won't like. Show me an attractive active loading dock in a similar situation. Maybe with enough public pressure a better solution could be figured out. That process would start with public knowledge. Otherwise this appears to be a very good building and I hope it goes up.
Sorry, that wasn’t directed at you. Bad formatting on my part.
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Nice! Love this building, and it's about time Philly got another 400-footer.

I am weary about the demolition only permits though. I get concerned about demo permits without financing commitments and construction permits as well... especially after the SLS lot sat vacant for so long, and now the Jeweler's Row Toll Brothers hole is sitting also.
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Nice! Love this building, and it's about time Philly got another 400-footer.

I am weary about the demolition only permits though. I get concerned about demo permits without financing commitments and construction permits as well... especially after the SLS lot sat vacant for so long, and now the Jeweler's Row Toll Brothers hole is sitting also.
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Demolition permits for functional buildings should be contingent on getting approvals and financing in place for its replacement and a reasonable commitment to start construction.
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Nice! Love this building, and it's about time Philly got another 400-footer.

I am weary about the demolition only permits though. I get concerned about demo permits without financing commitments and construction permits as well... especially after the SLS lot sat vacant for so long, and now the Jeweler's Row Toll Brothers hole is sitting also.
This project is very serious though, according to the article in the OP. The plan has always been: demo in Q3-4 2020, construction in Q1-2 2021.
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This project is very serious though, according to the article in the OP. The plan has always been: demo in Q3-4 2020, construction in Q1-2 2021.
The reason that this building will likely be constructed soon is not because of tax abatement issues, nor necessarily because demand is strong, albeit it well may be. This and other buildings, whether office, apartments or whatever will be constructed now because one of the major components of cost has been dramatically reduced, that of financing cost. In real estate development, financing isn’t just an aspect of the business, it IS THE BUSINESS. With construction financing costs around 25% of what they have averaged over the last six decades and long term financing at levels not seen in the lifetimes of developers, it is simply too attractive to develop. Property owners in 5,10, or 20 years will look back on this opportunity and smile.
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^that's interesting. Is the drop in financing costs because of the Fed cutting interest rates or the pandemic/recession or some other reason?
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