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Is Trudeau's announcement going to really change any opinions, though? Still seems like it's not clear where th money is coming from or how the CAF will spend it. I don't think Washington or London or Brussels are really going to see much meaningful difference between the LPC and the CPC at this time.
Trudeau's announcement helps. We are on a path to 2%. We started at under 1% during Harper and have progressively increased spending. We are well on track to renewing the fleet for both the Navy and Air Force.

He has firm plans that get using to 1.75% and more aspirational goals of 2% beyond that. That changes the argument and criticism from being about a commitment to 2% to just how slowly we are moving there.

The Conservatives don't even have aspirations of achieving 2%. The have aspirations of reducing the gains that liberals have made.
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Trudeau's announcement helps. We are on a path to 2%. We started at under 1% during Harper and have progressively increased spending. We are well on track to renewing the fleet for both the Navy and Air Force.

He has firm plans that get using to 1.75% and more aspirational goals of 2% beyond that. That changes the argument and criticism from being about a commitment to 2% to just how slowly we are moving there.

The Conservatives don't even have aspirations of achieving 2%. The have aspirations of reducing the gains that liberals have made.
According to the World Bank military expenditures as a percent of GDP were 1.2% in 2015 and 1.2% in 2022. At best Trudeau changed accounting rules.

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator...S?locations=CA
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Trudeau's announcement helps. We are on a path to 2%. We started at under 1% during Harper and have progressively increased spending. We are well on track to renewing the fleet for both the Navy and Air Force.

He has firm plans that get using to 1.75% and more aspirational goals of 2% beyond that. That changes the argument and criticism from being about a commitment to 2% to just how slowly we are moving there.

The Conservatives don't even have aspirations of achieving 2%. The have aspirations of reducing the gains that liberals have made.
Since the Liberal commitment binds only future governments, if that, your first comment is a tad optimistic.
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I love political cartoons.

Note all the attendees at the table have pens and that Canada in the high chair has a crayon.
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I love political cartoons.

Note all the attendees at the table have pens and that Canada in the high chair has a crayon.
Have you read this thread? There's plenty here who actually agree with this vision for Canada. And they aren't Trudeau voters either.
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Have you read this thread? There's plenty here who actually agree with this vision for Canada. And they aren't Trudeau voters either.
Well, these people would be wrong (as you know).

A well done cartoon does a great job of putting things in perspective.
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Well, these people would be wrong (as you know).

A well done cartoon does a great job of putting things in perspective.
Well Belgium, Spain, Portugal and Italy would also be at the kids table.
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Democrats certainly not, but there is plenty of political violence potential in the far left.
Yes, but to a lesser degree, without the same firearms obsession and goading of prominent leaders.
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Have you read this thread? There's plenty here who actually agree with this vision for Canada. And they aren't Trudeau voters either.
I want more spending on defense and for us to get serious on foreign affairs more broadly, but we have to be cognizant of the fact that with a big deficit and so much demand on our fiscal capacity there is little appetite from the electorate for an increase in defense spending on the order of tens of billions of dollars.
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Oh dear, we’ll have some forumers in tears if Freeland follows through on this:

Canada’s Freeland Hints at Broader Trade Action Against China
By Laura Dhillon Kane, Erik Hertzberg, and Brian Platt
July 13, 2024 at 11:26AM EDT

Bloomberg) -- Canada’s finance minister said she’ll hold talks next week with business and labor groups about erecting trade barriers against Chinese-made vehicles — and suggested the government may even go beyond autos. ….

….Freeland, however, pulled no punches when talking about China on Friday. There’s a prevailing view that China’s entry to the World Trade Organization more than two decades ago was a mistake, she said.

“I see that Leninist precept in Chinese economic policy — of dominating the commanding heights of the global economy and of acting quite intentionally to undermine and cut out Western competitors,” she said. “I think it’s high time for us to be clear-eyed about that.”


https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/business...against-china/
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Well Belgium, Spain, Portugal and Italy would also be at the kids table.
You assume they'll go unscathed. They won't. But they have the protection of the EU when dealing with the US for trade. We don't.
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I want more spending on defense and for us to get serious on foreign affairs more broadly, but we have to be cognizant of the fact that with a big deficit and so much demand on our fiscal capacity there is little appetite from the electorate for an increase in defense spending on the order of tens of billions of dollars.
It isn't just about defence spending. We should be equally concerned about the emerging Russian influence on the right, pushing them to abandon Ukraine. That's what a lot of talk about cutting aid is aimed at.
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Since the Liberal commitment binds only future governments, if that, your first comment is a tad optimistic.
We are talking about democracies. Every country sitting at the table and when projecting into the future does so with footnote that it is subject to change after the next election.

There is a defence policy paper that defines concrete programs that get us part of the way and more aspirational goals (without dollar amounts attached) that get us all the way there.

Will we get to 2%? Who knows. We have a track record (with either party) or find ways of delaying or killing defence projects that are in past plans.

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You assume they'll go unscathed. They won't. But they have the protection of the EU when dealing with the US for trade. We don't.
True enough.
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