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I keep saying it-- Vancouver doesn't want anything more than their bridge. Vancouver is one of the most ungrateful suburbs in the nation. Hell, Bellevue is considering light rail from Seattle and we all know what they're like.

They don't want to get into this new urban BS, they want to be able to get to their Oregon jobs and shopping as quickly as possible.

Expect Vancouverites to come over and tell us how Vancouver has its own plans, like streams of buses to service a sweeping vista of 5 story buildings they'd like to call downtown.
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Regional government backs new I-5 bridge over Columbia inOregon
The $4.2 billion project would be paid for in part by tolls.

The Associated Press

6/6/2008

PORTLAND, Ore. — The regional government for the Portland area backs the idea of a new Interstate 5 bridge over the Columbia River.

The Metro Council voted 5-2 on Thursday to endorse replacing bridge spans built in 1917 and 1958 that are noted for rush-hour congestion.

The project could cost as much as $4.2 billion, paid for in part by tolls. The project could include extending light rail service from north Portland to Vancouver.

The 5-2 decision did not specify how many lanes the bridge should have. It provides direction to Metro's delegate to a 39-member task force that will vote June 24 on a preferred alternative for the Columbia River Crossing project.

The alternative with the greatest political backing includes bridge spans with up to 12 lanes for vehicles, as well as room for the regional MAX light trains, bicyclists and pedestrians.

Critics say increasing fuel prices and growing concerns about climate change are reducing traffic on the bridge.

Last month, three Metro Council members questioned a new bridge and proposed a toll on the current bridge to raise money for strengthening it against earthquakes and other improvements, with an alternative for a supplemental bridge to carry light rail.

Council President David Bragdon crafted a resolution that attempted to address the trio's concerns but make it clear that Metro backs a new bridge. It asks the governors of Oregon and Washington to convene an oversight panel to be involved in all major decisions on the project. The panel would be involved in all major decisions on planning, design, engineering, finance and construction.

The panel would help decide the number of bridge lanes, the size and design of bicycle and pedestrian lanes, and the design of a light-rail transit facility. Decisions on those issues would have to be unanimous among the panel's six member agencies.

The oversight panel would include representatives of Portland and Vancouver, the Metro Council, Southwest Washington's Regional Transportation Commission, C-Tran and TriMet.


The resolution approved Thursday also calls for an independent analysis of greenhouse gas emissions and automobile demand forecasts. Critics argue that a bigger bridge will simply attract more traffic, adding to congestion and pollution.

Metro's endorsement also specifies that light rail must be "irrevocably confirmed" as part of the project. Vancouver voters in 1995 voted against a light-rail extension.

Before the vote, more than 40 people testified during a hearing.

Construction worker Ty Lerud of Portland said he and his co-workers often must travel to jobs and want a faster commute.

"Just build it," he said. "Build it as fast as you can, and build it for 100 years."
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C-Tran backs I-5 bridge with light rail
Wednesday, June 11, 2008
By JEFFREY MIZE, Columbian Staff Writer

C-Tran threw its unofficial support Tuesday behind replacing the aging Interstate 5 Bridge with a new crossing that would carry light rail into downtown Vancouver.

The transit agency’s board of directors approved a resolution by a 7-2 vote that includes:

- A replacement bridge consisting of two structures with three through lanes in each direction and an unspecified number of auxiliary lanes to ensure functional traffic flow. Two structures means the C-Tran board supports the “stacked transit” concept, where light rail would fit underneath the freeway lanes.
- Light rail transit with an ending point at the former visitors’ center along Interstate 5 near Clark College. The transit alignment must allow for local buses to access and circulate in downtown Vancouver.
- A financing package that does not require C-Tran to ask its voters to approve construction dollars. The board does expect to ask voters for tax money to pay for operations.

Voting against the resolution were Clark County Commissioner Marc Boldt and Vancouver Councilwoman Jeanne Harris.

Boldt, a Republican, declined to embrace light rail during last week’s meeting of the Southwest Washington Regional Transportation Council.

Harris voted no because she did not believe the C-Tran board should set conditions for transit alignments and financing.

Vancouver Councilwoman Jeanne Stewart voted for the plan, saying she wanted to move the project ahead. Stewart has been skeptical of light rail, enough so that some members of the city council questioned whether she should represent Vancouver on the C-Tran board.

So far, C-Tran, the city of Vancouver, Metro and the Southwest Washington Regional Transportation Council all have taken nonbinding votes to support a replacement bridge with light rail. Officials who represent those agencies will take that direction with them to the June 24 meeting of the Columbia River Crossing Task Force.

Building a replacement bridge, a light-rail line ending near Clark College and a package of highway improvements is expected to cost $3.43 billion to $3.61 billion.

Clark County Commissioner Steve Stuart said he met with fellow Democrat Gov. Chris Gregoire earlier Tuesday and got the message that there is a limit how much can be spent on what some have called the biggest public works project in Northwest history.

“According to the state’s highest-ranking official … we need to be thinking about how much we have, how much we can get and within that figure out what we can build,” he said.

C-Tran board members heard about almost an hour of testimony before beginning their discussions, primarily from those who oppose light rail or have questions about the project’s financing.

Stephanie Turlay said she support building a new bridge but opposes light rail. The public doesn’t have information about how the multibillion-dollar project would be financed, she said, adding that she doubts the C-Tran board understands it.

“It’s like we are being led down a path, and I don’t see the light at the end of the tunnel,” Turlay said. “I would like to know how much this is going to cost.”

John Felton also raised questions about finances, including how costs would be shared between Oregon and Washington and the potential for costs overruns.

“How can the public be asked to support this project when they don’t know the bottom line?” he asked.

Robert Nichols, a candidate for Clark County commissioner who stated no party preference when filing, said automakers are coming out with cars that get up to 150 miles per gallon, which will make light rail “obsolete the day it opens.”

“Light rail does not make sense,” he said. “It’s lunacy.”

There will be several other opportunities for public comment, including:

* Clark County commissioners, 6:30 p.m. June 23, Clark County Public Service Center, 1300 Franklin St.
* Vancouver City Council, 6 p.m. June 30, Vancouver City Hall, 210 E. 13th St.
* Southwest Washington Regional Transportation Council, 6 p.m. July 9, Vancouver City Hall, 210 E. 13th St.

Those hearings should not be confused with the formal comment period on the draft environmental impact statement, which ends July 1.

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Robert Nichols, a candidate for Clark County commissioner who stated no party preference when filing, said automakers are coming out with cars that get up to 150 miles per gallon, which will make light rail “obsolete the day it opens.”

“Light rail does not make sense,” he said. “It’s lunacy.”
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Riiiight ... as soon as gas efficiency goes up, we can just abandon mass transit systems altogether! Everyonewill own a car simply b/c the mileage went up -- and we can forget about thoughtful community planning and resume with our land-gobbling, unchecked sprawl.

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It just occurred to me that we've heard *nothing* at all from either the Cascade Policy Institute nor from Randall O'Toole about this project, which has me very suspicious. Where are they hiding? Certainly anything spending tax money should get their hackles up, right? Or are they maintaining silence because it's a road project?
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Interstate 5 bridge light rail picks up steam

From the Oregonian June 18, 2008:

In the Portland-Vancouver area, 71 percent favor the extension, and in Clark County, it's 62 percent, a big turnaround from 1995

DYLAN RIVERA
The Oregonian Staff

A poll of Portland-Vancouver area residents has found broad public support for making improvements to the Interstate 5 bridge over the Columbia River.

The survey by Portland-based Riley Research Associates also indicated that 62 percent of Clark County residents support a light-rail extension on the bridge. That's a big swing since a 1995 vote, when Clark County rejected rail by a 2-1 ratio.

In the Portland-Vancouver area, 71 percent of residents favored a light-rail extension.

"I wasn't surprised at the sense of urgency for the bridge, but I was surprised at the acceptance or demand for the light-rail line at 71 percent," pollster Mike Riley said. "It seems the tide has turned in . . . Vancouver."

The poll measured support for the proposed $4.2 billion Columbia River Crossing project. Through July 1, the Oregon and Washington transportation departments are taking public comment on five alternatives, including doing nothing.

The alternative with the most political support would replace the six-lane Interstate Bridge with a 12-lane span and a light-rail extension to Vancouver. It would rebuild six highway interchanges and create wider bike and pedestrian paths.

Riley, an independent pollster who doesn't work for political candidates, said he added three questions about the bridge project to a poll he conducted June 2-12 for clients. He said he was not compensated and absorbed the cost himself, because it was in the public interest.

Tom Markgraf, a political consultant working for the Columbia River Crossing, said the survey indicates stronger support than planners have seen. "This shows there's a lot of support for the bridge and a lot of support for transit, so it's good that the project is reflecting the needs and values of the community."

Critics and supporters agreed that the results would have been different if Riley had asked how much residents were willing to pay for bridge improvement.

If more people knew how much tax money and tolls would be required to pay for the bridge, they would oppose it, said Ron Buel, a longtime Portland activist affiliated with SmarterBridge, a group that opposes the Columbia River Crossing. "If someone else pays for it, everybody wants a big new bridge, but the reality of the situation is that the costs of $4.2 billion for a 12-lane bridge are about $8,000 for a family of four."

The project cost for each of the 2 million Portland-Vancouver area residents would come to about $2,000 a person, not including the interest on debt incurred to pay for it.

The telephone survey of 504 randomly selected households asked three I-5 bridge-related questions:

"Do you think improvements to that bridge are needed?"

Sixty-five percent of respondents said improvements were "urgently" or "somewhat urgently" needed. Twenty percent said "not too urgently" or "not urgently at all."

Do you "agree or disagree" with some who say the project needs to include light rail?

Seventy-one percent said they "agree strongly" or "agree somewhat" with that statement. Twenty-one percent said they "disagree somewhat" or "disagree strongly."

Do you favor or oppose a proposal to toll the "existing bridge" to reduce congestion and pay for future improvements?

Fifty-five percent "oppose somewhat" or "oppose strongly" that proposal. Thirty-eight percent said they would "favor strongly" or "favor somewhat."

Local political leaders say tolls are necessary to fund the bridge project. Planners estimate they could recoup one-third of the project cost from tolls and find federal and state sources for the rest. A gas tax of 1 cent per gallon statewide for 20 years would cover Oregon's one-sixth of the project, planners have said.

Metro Councilor Rex Burk- holder, who supports the project with the new bridge and light rail, said the poll seemed to indicate that media coverage and public discussion have raised awareness of the bridge issue.

A few years ago, residents in focus groups seemed indifferent to the project, he said. "There just wasn't a very strong sense of the issue at all."

Most folks now see the need for a bridge, Burkholder said, and they view tolls as a necessary evil. "You just don't get a project without tolling; there's just not that kind of money around."

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Robert Nichols, a candidate for Clark County commissioner who stated no party preference when filing, said automakers are coming out with cars that get up to 150 miles per gallon, which will make light rail “obsolete the day it opens.”

“Light rail does not make sense,” he said. “It’s lunacy.”


Good to know who not to vote for!
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It just occurred to me that we've heard *nothing* at all from either the Cascade Policy Institute nor from Randall O'Toole about this project, which has me very suspicious. Where are they hiding? Certainly anything spending tax money should get their hackles up, right? Or are they maintaining silence because it's a road project?
Some of their biggest supporters have interests in this, I'd wager.
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From the Columbian

In Our View: Light Rail’s Appeal

Thursday, June 19, 2008


The Riley Research Associates poll showing strong local support for light rail on a new Interstate 5 bridge was not surprising. Similar attitudes were shown in two similar surveys in the past two years.

The Columbian has consistently supported the extension of Portland’s MAX light-rail system into Clark County, and it was encouraging to see that 62 percent of Clark County residents who were contacted by Riley pollsters feel the same way. But again, not surprising. As Jeffrey Mize reported in Wednesday’s Columbian, support for light rail was 68 percent in a 2006 Columbia River Crossing poll of 400 registered voters in Clark County. And a 2007 poll of 600 Vancouver residents (commissioned by the city) showed two-thirds approval.

That’s enough evidence for residents on both sides of the river to move beyond the fractious, tiresome light-rail debate and start focusing on solutions. The issue of light rail on a new I-5 bridge should now advance from the “if” stage to “when” and “how.”.

There were several other interesting aspects of the Riley poll:

Riley Research Associates is an independent Portland firm. The poll was conducted at the firm’s own expense, at the request of no individual, government or group. This kind of neutrality strengthens the findings.
Oregonians are not our enemies, despite what many light-rail opponents heatedly claim. In fact, folks on the other side of the river share many beliefs of Clark County residents. The Riley poll showed support for light rail (on a new bridge) to be 80 percent in Multnomah, 75 percent in Washington and 61 percent in Clackamas counties. As for replacing the bridge, support was 69 percent in Clark and Multnomah, 63 percent in Clackamas and 56 percent in Washington counties.
Residents of the four counties even agreed in their opposition to tolling the old bridge to pay for the new bridge: just 49 percent support in Multnomah, 37 percent in Clackamas, 32 percent in Washington and 30 percent in Clark counties. (The Columbian supports tolls on a new structure, but not on the old bridge.)

The relative uniformity in the Riley poll findings confirms the belief that — although many cities have their own distinct personalities — we’re all part of a large, four-county, bistate metropolitan area.

In a Wednesday meeting with The Columbian’s editorial board, Washington State Department of Transportation Secretary Paula Hammond said the value of “light rail depends on the conditions of the community. I look across the river, and I see MAX, and that becomes a heavy consideration. Being able to connect to a large and growing light-rail system in Portland makes light rail a lot more attractive in this particular case.” We agree, and according to the Riley poll, so do many residents of Clark County.
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Washington transportation chief: Bridge funding options are scarce
Thursday, June 19, 2008
By JEFFREY MIZE and KATHIE DURBIN, Columbian staff writers

Washington’s top transportation official says the state will rely heavily on tolling to replace the Interstate 5 Bridge and might court private partners to provide an infusion of early cash.

In a bleak assessment of the project’s funding options, Paula Hammond, Washington transportation secretary, also told The Columbian’s editorial board Wednesday not to expect a huge commitment of federal highway dollars for the Columbia River Crossing project.

Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash, chairwoman of the Senate Transportation Appropriations subcommittee, might be able to shake loose $125 million, Hammond said. That’s less than a third of the federal contribution bridge planners listed in a draft study.

“We just can’t rely on a federal program that is drying up,” she said.

The state of Washington has provided $50 million in state gas tax revenue so far toward bridge design and environmental studies. But that source, too, is shriveling, Hammond said.

Vehicle miles traveled dropped by 2 percent statewide between April 2007 and April 2008. The state expects to come up $60 million short in gas tax revenue for the current biennium and up to $100 million short in the 2009-11 budget cycle.

And with gas at more than $4 per gallon, “We can’t increase the gas tax,” Hammond said. “We have no idea today where the state contribution would come from.”

For construction to begin in late 2011, “a miracle would have to happen in Olympia,” or else a private investor would have to emerge, she said.

Project sponsors repeatedly have said tolls on the new bridge will be necessary. But as for “pre-tolling” — collecting tolls on the existing spans — “that’s a hard sell,” she said. “The trick here is we need early money.”

Private investors could provide that money to keep the project going through preliminary engineering and design, an alternative to pre-tolling, Hammond said. Toll proceeds then would be used to pay off the investors.

Tolling also would pay off some construction debt, Hammond said. In fact, she added, the federal government is pushing the region to take that step.

“Rather than sending us buckets of money, they are encouraging us to help ourselves through tolling,” she said.

Hammond’s comments Wed-nesday raise questions about the region’s ability to afford a $3.43 billion to $3.61 billion project, an estimate that presumes a light-rail line ending at Clark College.

The project’s draft environmental statement released in early May offers rough financial scenarios for how the project would be paid for:

* $654 million to $689 million from the Federal Transit Administration for light-rail construction.
* $400 million to $600 million in federal highway dollars.
* $401.5 million to $715 million in state dollars from Washington, plus a similar contribution from Oregon.
* $1.07 billion to $1.35 billion from bonds, with bridge tolls used to gradually pay off that debt.


Tolls on a new bridge could cost as much as $2.50 each way, depending on the time of day, and increase regularly to keep up with inflation. Commuters could end up paying $1,250 annually to cross the bridge twice a day, five days a week.

Hammond said Seattle commuters could pay far more in tolls, perhaps as much as $9 or $10 each way, to use the new bridge that will replace the Highway 520 floating bridge. Pre-tolling also is on the table with that project.

“All of this is being tested in the Puget Sound area this fall,” she said.

Hammond did not sound nearly as optimistic about putting together a funding package as Gov. Chris Gregoire did when she met with Oregon Gov. Ted Kulongoski at the north end of the I-5 Bridge last January.

“This is a task that’s extremely important to our economic future, for the region,” Gregoire said then. “We know there’s a big job ahead. But today is the day we can say we’re partners, and we’re determined to make it happen.”

But Hammond contacted The Columbian later Wednesday to reiterate her support for the project — and her belief that the state will provide its share.

“Over a number of years, I think $400 million is reasonable,” she said.

“I’m an optimist,” she said. “It isn’t going to be easy, that’s for sure. But without the commitment on both sides of the river, we aren’t going succeed. The governor is there. I’m there.”

Pearse Edwards, Gregoire’s spokesman, echoed that sentiment.

“She’s committed to this project,” he said. “As with any project, you have to look at the funding. We need to go to the Legislature and talk to them about the various funding packages. … Let’s put our best foot forward and look for a way to fund this project from multiple streams.”

Edwards said the governor, if she wins re-election this fall, plans to present a funding plan to the 2010 Legislature. That’s the deadline for getting funding for the project included in the federal government’s next multiyear transportation appropriation bill, although project sponsors want to start working on that process later this year.

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Burkholder is giving new meaning to the word "sellout".

Columbia River bridge plans ignore effects of growth

Designers decide not to factor in the extra sprawl, leading to traffic and pollution, that a bigger I-5 span might bring

Sunday, June 22, 2008
DYLAN RIVERA
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In planning a new, higher-capacity I-5 bridge over the Columbia River, the Oregon and Washington transportation departments ignored the potential for growth in North Portland and southwest Washington that could bring about yet more traffic and pollution.

The Columbia River Crossing, as the bridge project is known, is designed to relieve congestion on the six-lane bridge that now frustrates Oregonians, commuters from Vancouver, and round-the-clock truckers struggling to keep their schedules.

But a paradox lies ahead: If a bigger bridge with more lanes is built, will it create demand for housing and jobs, and yet more congestion? And will the boosted congestion spew more greenhouse gas?

Transportation authorities say it could.

The Oregonian has learned that traffic forecasters involved in planning a new bridge, projected to cost $4.2 billion, were told to assume a new 12-lane bridge would not trigger any more growth than if the current bridge were simply left in place. Yet a 12-lane bridge would handle 40 percent more cars during afternoon rush hour, according to the forecasters' calculations.

Ignored is a finding by regional planners, in 2001, that eliminating the bridge's bottleneck threatened to push job and housing growth away from other parts of the metropolitan area and concentrate them in North Portland and across the river, in a rapidly expanding Clark County.

That might or might not be a good thing. But it is absent from decision-making on a project that could, according to several planning experts, influence growth and quality of life in a region that prides itself on avoiding sprawl.

The bridge plan isn't decided yet. A vote Tuesday by a 39-member bistate panel will establish the preferred bridge solution from among five alternatives. In coming weeks, the Portland and Vancouver city councils and other local agencies will follow with their own votes. But leading among the alternatives is a new, 12-lane toll bridge with a light-rail line attached.

In that scenario, it is likely that congestion and pollution will be higher than bridge planners have forecast. And the higher-capacity bridge could move the I-5 bottleneck southward, closer to central Portland, where the freeway is chronically congested.

Here's how we got here:

In making their designs, bridge planners had assistance from specialists with the Metro regional government. Though Metro is nationally known for using sophisticated computer tools to study sprawl and the role of highways in it, Metro's modeling staff heeded requests by Columbia River Crossing staff to assume that all bridge solutions would have no influence on development patterns in North Portland and southwest Washington.

They did so, according to Metro's chief traffic forecaster, to be free of the complex forces driving growth as they designed the five bridge scenarios.

"Essentially that was a simplifying assumption to assess what the difference might be between the infrastructure changes," said Richard Walker, travel forecasting manager for Metro.

Metro Councilor Rex Burkholder, who represents North and Northeast Portland, defended the approach, saying it would allow a better comparison among the bridge alternatives.

"If you let land use change as part of that, then you're not going to be able to compare those alternatives on a fair basis," Burkholder said.

But simplifying assumptions are "exactly what modeling is not supposed to do," said Todd Litman, of the Victoria Transport Policy Institute in Canada, also cited in Columbia River Crossing's own environmental impact statement. "Modeling allows you to do more detailed, case-appropriate analysis."

Other experts agreed.

Not taking growth into account is "flat out wrong," said Reid Ewing, a research professor at the National Center for Smart Growth at the University of Maryland, also a recent guest speaker and adviser to Metro on global warming issues.

Widening a highway on the northern part of the metro area would make it easier for residents to commute to downtown Portland from there than from other directions, Ewing said. So they're more likely to move there, which fills the expanded highway with more traffic.

"People can drive from subdivisions that are miles away from the facility and then to other employment sites or destinations," Ewing said. "Ripple effects go out quite a distance from the facilities themselves. Five miles would be a timid estimate of how far out those effects are."

Burkholder stands his ground. Tolls on the bridge would limit potential growth in the corridor, Burkholder said. And land-use regulations that limit sprawl can compensate for the easier travel a new bridge will allow, he said.

"Nothing we do transportationwise will solve our land-use problems," he said. "It takes political will to make it function."

Burkholder also said agency planners told him that a new bridge would boost growth in outer Clark County and also in downtown Vancouver, a scenario that Vancouver and Oregon leaders promote as an antidote to sprawl.

Yet when it comes to fighting sprawl with land-use rules, Burkholder said, Washington state is "10 years behind" Portland's Metro, but improving.

Change the traffic and growth assumptions, and the project's air quality assumptions should also change, Ewing said. That's because more traffic will add to pollution and greenhouse gas emissions, he said -- despite Columbia River Crossing's claims that newer vehicles running at higher speeds, even in greater number, would produce less.

The 2001 report on the I-5 corridor, issued by a panel of Oregon and Washington representatives, warned that widening the highway and adding light rail could increase demand for housing in Clark County at the expense of other parts of the region.

"Additional housing demand will increase the political pressure to disproportionately expand the Clark County urban growth area along the I-5 corridor to the north," the report says. "The greater the travel time savings relative to other corridors, the larger the redistribution."

And it examines the relationship of other traffic problems in the region to I-5: If Oregon 217 in Beaverton is not widened and the Sunrise Corridor in Clackamas County isn't built, "then the effect of the capacity increases in the I-5 corridor would be greater," the report states.

The warnings are found in the Findings and Policy Recommendations report of the land-use committee of the Portland/Vancouver I-5 Transportation and Trade Partnership.

The Oregonian sought a copy of the report from the Metro regional government but was told by a Metro spokesperson the report "did not exist," and, later, that only a two-page summary existed. The Oregonian obtained the full report from Columbia River Crossing staff.

Growth implications of the project can be consequential.

In cases from Chicago to Vermont, environmental groups have obtained federal court orders that required highway planners to redo their traffic forecasts to account for induced development, Ewing said. Such litigation and new study can cause years of delay.

Dylan Rivera: 503-221-8532; dylanrivera@news.oregonian.com For environment news, go to: oregonlive.com/environment
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Washington, Oregon governors back I-5 bridge project with tolls, transit

Tuesday, June 24, 2008
By JEFFREY MIZE, Columbian Staff Writer

Governors from Washington and Oregon have reconfirmed their support for easing Interstate 5 Bridge congestion with a project that includes tolls, high-capacity transit and "world-class bike and pedestrian facilities."

A three-page letter signed by Gov. Chris Gregoire of Washington and Gov. Ted Kulongoski of Oregon was circulated during Tuesday's meeting of the Columbia River Crossing Task Force.

"We feel very strongly that now is the time to address this key bottleneck that not only links Portland and Vancouver but affects the economic vitality of the entire West Coast," the June 19 letter says.

"Our strong support for this project is centered on the belief that it presents a huge opportunity for our two states. It is an opportunity to leverage federal funds to build a project that provides transportation options, improves safety, enhances freight mobility and demonstrates to the nation how to build a green project that reflects the value of our region."

Although the letter encourages action, it does not endorse a specific bridge option, namely building an entirely new crossing or retaining the existing twin spans for northbound freeway traffic. Nor does it embrace light rail or bus rapid transit as a way to move commuters between Vancouver and Portland.

Gregoire followed up the letter with a brief phone call Tuesday to the crossing task force, during which she thanked its 39 members and emphasized the need to move ahead.

Last December's flooding, which shut down a portion of Interstate 5 in Lewis County, demonstrated the potential economic effect of what would happen if a catastrophe occurred on or near the I-5 Bridge, Gregoire said.

"Any serious earthquake means our West Coast would lose a main economic artery," she said.

Gregoire said she is committed to seeing the project built in a fiscally sound and environmentally conscious fashion.

"We're going to show the rest of the country how to get the job done," the governor said.

The crossing task force is meeting for a final time to formally propose a package of bridge and transit improvements designed to ease congestion on the I-5 corridor between the two states. That proposal, what bridge planners call a "locally preferred alternative," will be forwarded to eight governments on both sides of the Columbia River for adoption.

Each agency is likely to attach its own conditions. The Metro Council will call for tolling to begin as soon as possible as a way to drive down freeway congestion and encourage transit use, as well as additional study of the number of bridge lanes and the project's effect on greenhouse gases.

But the Vancouver City Council voted 6-1 Monday night to remove any reference to tolls from a draft resolution the council is scheduled to formally approve on July 7. Mayor Royce Pollard cast the sole vote to delete the tolling provision, saying the project won't be built without tolls.

The Vancouver council also has a wish list that it wants included in the project, including:

* Adding a lid over a small portion of the freeway south of the Evergreen Boulevard overpass to provide a small parklike area.
* Building a "heritage" pedestrian bridge connecting Seventh Street on the west side of I-5 with the Vancouver National Historic Reserve on the east.
* Extending Main Street south to the Columbia River, providing a new route to a waterfront that historically has been cut off from downtown by a railroad berm.

http://www.columbian.com/news/localN...ls-transit.cfm
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I'm a little appalled of the decision on the bridge. Are they going to widen the rest of I-5 south of the bridge? I mean might as well, where are the cars going to go after that?

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Posted by Dylan Rivera, The Oregonian June 24, 2008 08:08AM

Categories: Breaking News, Clark County, Portland

Columbia River CrossingThis artist's rendering depicts the main proposal to fix the Interstate 5 bridge over the Columbia River, looking south from Vancouver.

A unanimous Portland City Council favors building a new $4.2 billion I-5 bridge that features a light rail line to Vancouver, provided the project meets dozens of other conditions designed to offset its impact on growth and pollution.

Four city council members and Mayor Tom Potter signed a letter (PDF) addressed to the Columbia River Crossing project task force, which votes Tuesday night on its best solution to a bottleneck now slowing the aging Interstate Bridge.
The task force is expected to endorse a proposal that replaces the six-lane bridge with a high-capacity 12-lane toll bridge, light rail, fixes for six interchanges and wider bike and pedestrian paths.

"The project will have an impact on our city for generations to come," the City Council letter says.
But the council's letter immediately raised concerns about an extraordinarily complex public decision-making process. While the letter guides the vote of City Commissioner Sam Adams tonight, when he serves as one of the 39 members of the task force, it precedes by two weeks the city council's first public hearing on the project, scheduled for July 9.
"What's the point of a hearing?" asked Jill Fuglister, co-director of the Coalition for a Livable Future, a Portland-area sustainability group. "I can't imagine they're going to do anything other than affirm the decision they've already put out there."

The council had an informal work session on the topic in April, however, and has another one set for Thursday.
The confusion underscores a paradox of having elected officials on an advisory task force advising their own agencies.
The task force comprises local agency heads, such as TriMet General Manager Fred Hansen, and representatives of business interests and environmental groups. It also includes elected officials such as Adams; and Rex Burkholder, of Metro regional government.

Its recommendation Tuesday night will advise CRC planners and agencies such as Metro and the Portland City Council that have final say over whether the project is built.
Citing federal regulations, the CRC will decide the number of lanes later. Right now the region has to choose whether to do nothing; or build a new or supplemental bridge; a light rail line or enhanced bus line; and where and how far to extend transit in Vancouver.

The city council asked the Portland Planning Commission and the Sustainable Development Commission, a city-county board, for advice on the bridge decision. The result is the 2 page letter and four pages of recommendations, said Kyle Chisek, a policy manager for Potter.

What if the task force votes for a bus system instead of light rail? Or a supplemental bridge instead of a replacement bridge?
"Then something has to change," Chisek said. "Or Portland's support can't be what we hope it to be."
--Dylan Rivera; dylanrivera@news.oregonian.com
Source: Oregon Live
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That is a lot of federal money that is going to be pumped into the local economy. I think that is the reason why most are getting on board. That bridge will really harm DT vancouver. The sound pollution alone should give this abomination a no go, but there is this simpleton argument that some how increasing capacity will cure all ills. Oregon already screwed up years ago building all the freeway crap so other then moving traffic to the rose quarter I don't think we'll feel the hit as bad.

This is a very short sited option, but you do have to ask yourself why progressives like Adams and Buckhalter are backing it. My guess is that this project is a done deal and will HAVE to happen because the feds are going to force it on the region, so why not at least get some positives out of it like light rail crossing and a toll.
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This is a very short sited option, but you do have to ask yourself why progressives like Adams and Buckhalter are backing it.
Perhaps, and I'm just guessing here, they are supporting it because of the MAX extention. Realistically, the folks in Vancouver are unlikely to approve spending their local funds on MAX without something being done to relieve automobile congestion, however questionable that last piece might be.
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I've read recent polls that say people in Vancouver are supportive of light rail coming to the 'couv and paying additional fees to make it happen, by over 50% (without the CRC project being mentioned). I'll try and dig up the source.
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I've read recent polls that say people in Vancouver are supportive of light rail coming to the 'couv and paying additional fees to make it happen, by over 50% (without the CRC project being mentioned). I'll try and dig up the source.
62% approval for light rail in Clark Co. during the last independent poll, (although the sample size of Clark Co. respondents was only 104 people).

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I've read recent polls that say people in Vancouver are supportive of light rail coming to the 'couv and paying additional fees to make it happen, by over 50% (without the CRC project being mentioned). I'll try and dig up the source.
I, personnally, could care less about more lanes. All I want is the light rail extension, and I commute across that bridge everyday.
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Um..... Is it just me or is the "entirely new bridge" proposal look very drab and, well, kind of ugly?

It's just sort of this broad strip of pavement on a featureless raised hump that barely limps across the river. And this is the major transportation route for the 21st century linking two great states and spanning one of North America's major rivers?

Wasn't there a proposal delivered that included a prettier and grander structure? Something with towers, or a suspension bridge, or some bit of aesthetic googaw added to the ends of the bridge to make it look a tiny bit distinctive?

As it stands now, it just looks like a mid-sized Los Angeles freeway interchange straddling a river. Surely they could at least try and get some aesthetically pleasing design involved into the proposal. It's looking rather sad and uninspired from the pictures I've seen here.
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