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Port Authority’s $10B revamp plans to add two office towers
It’s not the first attempt to save the decrepit bus terminal



FEB 7, 2024
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At a public hearing on Tuesday, Port Authority officials unveiled an ambitious $10 billion proposal to overhaul the infamous transportation hub, Crain’s reported. Slightly more than a dozen people turned up at the hearing, according to W42ST, though another 50 tuned in online.

Port Authority wants to transform the cramped and cavernous bus terminal into a modern, bright hub for commuters and travelers, along with two new office towers that will rise above the terminal. The agency plans to fund much of the proposed project, but officials are also placing their hopes on $2.5 billion in tax revenue from the new office developments.
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The same strategy was in the works with Vornado Realty Trust to help finance a redevelopment of Penn Station. Gov. Kathy Hochul was forced to separate the office projects from the Penn Station funding, however, as Vornado’s office dreams were scuttled by post-pandemic office challenges.

Port Authority executive director Rick Cotton appeared unafraid of that scenario at the bus terminal, expressing confidence the office market will rebound by the time the office towers go up.
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But the pairing of office projects and a transformed Port Authority Bus Terminal, specifically, have fallen short before. Vornado nearly developed a 35-story tower for Cisco Systems at the beginning of the century, foiled by the dot-com bubble’s pop.

Steven Roth’s firm also offered to pay for station repairs in the early 2010s as part of a plan to lease air rights over the terminal to develop a 40-story office building. The Great Recession ground that plan to a halt.

This new proposal promises to deliver the project in the next decade, according to Cotton.

Tuesday’s session marked the opening of a 45-day public comment period on Port Authority’s proposal for the terminal. There will be four public hearings in the coming weeks on the plan, which has tentative support from local officials.



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Hell’s Kitchen Hosts Preview of $10bn Port Authority Bus Terminal Revamp Amid Local Concerns and High Hopes





by Phil O'Brien


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The most expensive show ever in Hell’s Kitchen opened last night to an audience of 17 people (with around 50 tuning in online). The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey (PANYNJ) put on a special preview of their $10bn Bus Terminal (PABT) replacement to locals before they begin formal public meetings later this month.

Executives from PANYNJ gave a preview of the Draft Environmental Impact Statement (DEIS) for PABT which was published last week and described by PANYNJ as being “about 16 inches in thickness.” The release of the DEIS also started the clock on a 45-day public comment period. The project will replace the current terminal and complex of ramps with an extended footprint on Port Authority land snaking from 8th Avenue through Hell’s Kitchen to 11th Avenue. PABT currently serves more than 7,200 buses and about 200,000 people daily.

“It’s not necessarily the most attractive building in New York City,” said Glen Guzzi, Assistant Director of Major Capital Projects at PANYNJ to laughter from the gathered locals. “It’s reviled. We’re going to change that.”
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Guzzi went on to present a plan that he stressed recognized the local community as much as the commuters that use the facility for their travel. In particular, he referenced how they had taken input from local elected officials and the community board to move the proposed high-rise development from 9th Avenue to 8th Avenue, wider sidewalks, street-facing retail and trees!

Meanwhile, Hersh Parekh, PABT’s Deputy Chief for Intergovernmental Affairs, compared the bus terminal plan to the organization’s transformation of LaGuardia Airport. “This was the exact same characterization of the old LaGuardia. When it opened back in the sixties, it was a marvel in the aviation industry. It was built on such a small footprint, but probably one of the busiest airports if you look at it per square foot activity,” he said.

“But LaGuardia was not maintained the way it needed to be, did not keep up with modern times, modern technology, the modern customer. It was not the type of gateway that New York deserved. And so the Port Authority undertook a multi-billion dollar effort to rebuild — and it is a beautiful facility now that has received accolades worldwide. And that is the mission that we are bringing to this bus terminal replacement project,” added Parekh. “This bus terminal is a workhorse. It helps so many hundreds of thousands of people get to their destination every day. But this is not the gateway that New York deserves — and it is important that we make it right.”
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The first job is to create decks over the Lincoln Tunnel on two blocks between W37th and W39th Street to the west of 9th Avenue (after construction, these areas will become a 3.5-acre park space for residents). After that, a staging and storage area will be built between W39th and W40th Street to the west of Rauschenbusch Metro Baptist Church, replacing existing PABT ramps. This will be used as a “Temporary Terminal” to allow the Main Terminal to be reconstructed into a reimagined transport hub. The ramps for the facilities will be extended from 10th Avenue through to 11th Avenue, with better access in and out of the Lincoln Tunnel.
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The main terminal will accommodate two office towers on 8th Avenue. “The purpose of those towers is to drive funding to help build this project because $10bn is a very large project and we need to make sure that we have it fully financed,” said Parekh.

When asked about the current market for offices, Parekh said: ”There’s data showing that the commercial market is on the rebound. Just the other week there was a building that Gucci bought or sold for three times the amount that the experts predicted. We’re talking about these towers being built in the 2030s, so there’s a long timeline from now to then — and we believe that there will be demand for commercial, especially commercial on 8th Avenue facing Times Square.”
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The space on 8th Avenue will be transformed with the closure of W41st Street to accommodate an atrium and better access to the subway. This was a feature in the two visuals released by PANYNJ of the new plans.

Attendees asked if 24-hour working (with associated construction noise) would be needed to get delivery on their eight-year plan. “I do not expect to be working 24/7. We didn’t even do that at the World Trade Center and that was a project where we were given a lot of carte blanche to fix what occurred in Manhattan,” said Parekh. “For instance, on 40th Street, there are hotels, they’re in the business of selling space for people to sleep.”






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About 25% of the funding for the new terminal will come from the new towers.


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The office-tower scheme is designed to provide a big chunk of the financing for the project. The PA is hoping to develop payment-in-lieu-of-taxes agreements with NYC to build two towers of commercial space, providing about $2.5B in funding.
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RFQ imminent for Manhattan bus terminal project


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The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey (PANYNJ) is to release a request for qualifications on the Midtown Bus Terminal Replacement Program Bus Storage and Staging Facility and Ramps Project.

Under the plans, a new $10bn Midtown Bus Terminal will be delivered to replace the existing facility, which is functionally obsolete. The new terminal will include a 2.1million sq ft main terminal, a separate storage and staging building and new ramps leading directly into and out of the Lincoln Tunnel.

In February, the authority published a draft environmental impact statement for the project, triggering a 45-day comment period.

The tender is set to be released on March 15, 2024.

The project will be financed through a similar vehicle to the one used on the Moynihan Train Hall in Penn Station.
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Mayor commits $2B to Port Authority bus overhaul, now to include a third tower


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March 12, 2024


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New York City is doubling its wager on the recovery of Manhattan’s office market by committing up to $2 billion in property tax revenue from three potential commercial towers to help finance a long-awaited overhaul of the Port Authority Bus Terminal.

The announcement Tuesday includes a new third tower, to be built on land bounded by West 30th and West 31st streets and 9th and 10th avenues near the Lincoln Tunnel.

Mayor Eric Adams said, in an agreement with Gov. Kathy Hochul and the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, that the city will commit 40 years of tax-increment financing to raise up to $2 billion — “subject to market demand” — for the $10 billion bus terminal redevelopment. The tax revenue would come from the three proposed commercial towers all planned for Port Authority-owned land.

Two previously announced office towers are expected to rise over the 41st Street bus terminal along Eighth Avenue. New York City's contribution would amount to 20% of the overall project cost. The Port Authority said selling development rights for the proposed towers would generate $500 million.
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Mayor Adams described the deal as a key step toward making the vision for a reimagined Midtown bus terminal a reality.

“For decades, New Yorkers have watched the Port Authority Bus Terminal deteriorate from the world-class facility it was in the 1950s to the stain it is on Midtown today,” said Mayor Adams in a statement. “Our investment over the course of the coming years, and our partnership with the Port Authority, will help develop a new crown jewel for Midtown — a state-of-the-art bus terminal that will add acres of new public space and storefronts, decrease congestion in Hell’s Kitchen, and improve the commuter and community experience in and around the terminal.”

The deal, however, comes with quite a few caveats. The Port Authority and the city are betting big on the recovery of the office market to partially finance the redevelopment at a time when a major shift in work patterns has made the project’s math more of a gamble.

A similar tax-increment financing mechanism helped fund Amtrak’s Moynihan Train Hall, but the model is riskier now that Covid-19 has reshaped the commercial real estate industry. Manhattan’s office market, for instance, currently suffers from a nearly 20% vacancy rate, according to global real estate services firm CBRE.

Still, Port Authority Chairman Kevin O’Toole has said he’s confident in the industry’s recovery by the time the commercial developments would build, likely in the 2030s.

“Our agreement with the city to provide a portion of the financing toward a new Midtown Bus Terminal will allow the Port Authority to move forward with a project that will generate economic benefits for our entire region while improving the quality of life in the community where the terminal is located,” said O’Toole in a statement. “We will replace this aging eyesore with a world-class gateway our region deserves.”

Haven’t seen the details yet, but the address given of the third tower is the same block where 360 10th will rise. I’m guessing it would be on the parking lot on 9th Avenue.
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Haven’t seen the details yet, but the address given of the third tower is the same block where 360 10th will rise. I’m guessing it would be on the parking lot on 9th Avenue.
The PA owns a bus overflow lot off 9th Ave, near Manhattan West. I'm almost certain this is the lot.

So it will be 360 10th on one side of the block, and a PA office tower on the other side.
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The PA owns a bus overflow lot off 9th Ave, near Manhattan West. I'm almost certain this is the lot.

So it will be 360 10th on one side of the block, and a PA office tower on the other side.

Yeah, but that bus lot is very small, as is that parking lot. The dorm takes up most of the space midblock, so I’m guessing 9th Avenue. That is unless they decide to build over the tunnel access, which is a possibility.
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"The announcement Tuesday includes a new third tower, to be built on land bounded by West 30th and West 31st streets and 9th and 10th avenues near the Lincoln Tunnel."

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Here's how New York City has agreed to help fund a new Port Authority bus terminal


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March 12, 2024


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New York City has agreed to a financial arrangement with the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey to help pay for the new $10 billion Port Authority Bus Terminal.

A payment in lieu of taxes, or PILOT, plan will send up to $2 billion to the Port Authority — depending on how many commercial developments are built — over 40 years to help finance the reconstruction plans of the world's busiest terminal that is badly in need of a makeover, according to an announcement from the Port Authority, New York City and New York State.

“Our agreement with the city to provide a portion of the financing toward a new Midtown Bus Terminal will allow the Port Authority to move forward with a project that will generate economic benefits for our entire region while improving the quality of life in the community where the terminal is located," said Kevin O'Toole, chairman of the Port Authority.
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Construction could begin this year

The bistate agency has proposed rebuilding the 73-year-old facility that will completely reimagine the current terminal space, add an additional facility to stage and store buses, rebuild the ramps that connect to the Lincoln Tunnel, build as many as three new developments above the terminal or near it and add public green space. Construction could start as soon as this year.

In addition to the PILOT, the Port Authority is seeking a $1 billion federal loan. The rest is expected to be paid for by the agency.

Similar PILOT arrangements with the city have been used to finance other projects, including Moynihan Train Hall, another interstate transit hub in midtown, and Hudson Yards with the hopes of reviving neighborhoods through new development and investment.


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Hochul, Adams agree to finance new Port Authority Bus Terminal through office development


By Ben Brachfeld
March 12, 2024


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The pair said they had agreed to commit 40 years of property tax revenue from three potential office developments in Midtown to finance the new $10 billion bus terminal, a plan for which the Port Authority unveiled last month to replace the existing 73-year-old eyesore. The PILOTs would raise an estimated $2 billion, about 20% of the total project cost, which is less than the $2.5 billion the Port Authority said it sought from the developments in February.

Two of the three buildings would sit atop the reconstructed terminal at 8th Avenue and 42nd Street, while another would be built nearby on Port Authority-owned land “subject to market demand.”



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Governor Kathy Hochul, New York City Mayor Eric Adams and the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey today announced a new agreement to support the $10 billion replacement and expansion of the 73-year-old Port Authority Bus Terminal in Midtown Manhattan.

Recognizing the importance and catalytic potential of the project, the city has committed 40 years of tax revenue — expected to help the Port Authority raise an estimated total of up to $2 billion, 20 percent of the project cost — from three potential new commercial developments on three sites, two of which will be positioned atop the new bus terminal and the third to be built at a nearby site owned by the Port Authority and private owners, subject to market demand.
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Inside the Port Authority’s deal with N.Y. to fund a new $2B bus terminal. Will it work?


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The Port Authority, New York City and state officials struck a tax agreement to help finance the $2 billion replacement for the aging Midtown bus terminal that will use tax payments from three towers to be built over it to cover 20% of the costs.

The agreement counts on revenue from three commercial towers, two over the new terminal and a third on a site nearby owned by the Port Authority and private owners. The agreement announced Tuesday commits 40 years of tax revenue to the project and was agreed to by New York City and state officials.
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…Development of the new towers isn’t expected to begin until the end of the terminal construction project or after the main terminal is completed, Topousis said. The payment in lieu of taxes is based on a maximum of 6 million square feet of development, he said.
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…The agreement announced between New York City and state Tuesday allows private developers to make payments in lieu taxes instead of regular property taxes, mortgage recording taxes and sales taxes at market rates, Topousis said.

The Port Authority would receive those payments for 40 years after construction of the towers and after that time, payments revert to the city, he said.
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…New York Gov. Kathy Hochul was counting on similar private sector investments to help cover the cost of her new $8 billion Penn Station Vision project, Penner said. These competing projects for tenants are only blocks apart, he said. The Penn Station plan, which calls for building a series of super-tall buildings to provide funding for redeveloping Penn station, faces intense community opposition.
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…Another expert disagreed with the Penn Station comparison, and said the real estate market could be very different when the bus terminal towers are built, said Tom Wright, Regional Plan Association executive director.

“This is apples and oranges, there are so many moving parts (with Penn Station) a private sector owner of Madison Square Garden and Amtrak owns the station,” Wright said. “The Port Authority owns the bus terminal and the community is supportive of the project.”

The real estate market is likely to be different when it’s time to build the towers, he said.

“Even in today’s market, Class A new office space is doing extraordinarily well,” Wright said, He cited the performance of the 73-story office tower at One Vanderbilt place at 42nd Street and Vanderbilt Avenue, which counts TD Bank and TD securities among it’s occupants.

“It’s the older buildings with subpar space with high vacancy rates,” he said. “We see new product is highly desirable and office buildings so close to transit, as these would be, gain a premium, so this is solid play.”
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Since the towers are the second phase of the bus terminal project, market conditions could change several times, as could the plans for the buildings, Wright said.

“These won’t be in today’s market,” he said. “I’m pleased they reached this agreement…the Port Authority, city and both states are committed to modernization and expansion of the bus terminal.”
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^ yeah it's really a thoughtful plan and although you cant predict the future office market for the towers and that 20% of the costs its still a fine bet they get built and leased out.

personally i'm fine with the bus terminal just as i was with the mta fulton center station and lga and i'd rather all this money went to transit extensions, but i know they are/were rather decrepit and that i'm in the minority.
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^ yeah it's really a thoughtful plan and although you cant predict the future office market for the towers and that 20% of the costs its still a fine bet they get built and leased out.

personally i'm fine with the bus terminal just as i was with the mta fulton center station and lga and i'd rather all this money went to transit extensions, but i know they are/were rather decrepit and that i'm in the minority.

Yeah, the time for action is now. They have a plan, lets move forward. Endless debate just means endless delays and a new station that will never materialize.
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I know it's just sort of a general sentiment but a new bus terminal isn't being built in lieu of MTA transit improvements --- as much as those are also desired ---- because this is a Port Authority project and there would be no equivalent tax funding arrangement with the city and state that would benefit transit from a few office towers like is happening here. I suppose the closest comparison would be the mandatory GCT/GCM adjacent access points built into the newest rash of towers in Midtown East.
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I suppose the closest comparison would be the mandatory GCT/GCM adjacent access points built into the newest rash of towers in Midtown East.
That and the coming congestion pricing, which when you think about it, goes hand in hand with the push for a new terminal.
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