Meet The New Miami: A Series Of Self-Sustaining, Interconnected Villages

[mhays]

Depends on whether it comes with Sunbelt-type parking volumes, especially if above-grade. And retail on some of the main streets, preferably focusing on small stores. Etc.

[LAsam]

Originally Posted by UrbanImpact

I live next door in Oakland Park! I'm in Wilton all the time.

You both live near one of the few Skyline Chilis located outside the Midwest! I always hit one of those Skylines up when I'm in Ft Lauderdale. That's a nice amenity in your area

[JManc]

Originally Posted by mhays

Depends on whether it comes with Sunbelt-type parking volumes, especially if above-grade. And retail on some of the main streets, preferably focusing on small stores. Etc.

But no one is going to build a sunbelt style project with huge parking podiums in a city like New York of San Francisco. Either it's not what the market wants and/or they're not permitted.

[Buckeye Native 001]

Originally Posted by LAsam

You both live near one of the few Skyline Chilis located outside the Midwest! I always hit one of those Skylines up when I'm in Ft Lauderdale. That's a nice amenity in your area

For real. Best I can do in Arizona are cans for $4.59 a pop at Fry's (owned by Kroger).

[mhays]

Originally Posted by JManc

But no one is going to build a sunbelt style project with huge parking podiums in a city like New York of San Francisco. Either it's not what the market wants and/or they're not permitted.

Yes. I'm just pointing out that traditional urbanism isn't the same as what's getting built in many cities.

[DCReid]

Originally Posted by LAsam

You both live near one of the few Skyline Chilis located outside the Midwest! I always hit one of those Skylines up when I'm in Ft Lauderdale. That's a nice amenity in your area

If you are referring to the one at the intersection of 26th and Fed highway, I believe it is closed. When I've driven by, it looks boarded up and there is graffiti on the building.

[dave8721]

Originally Posted by DCReid

Recently moving to Wilton Manors in Broward, which is sort of an enclave of mostly self-sustaining village. However, I agree that most of Broward is "a sprawling auto-centric agglomeration of subdivisions dominated by strip malls and chain retail stores." I am intrigued about Miami and will have to pay a visit, but I sense that it would have pockets of walkable areas mostly surrounded or adjacent to auto-centric strip malls. And I don't even need to respond to the comment about why this blog may not like Florida - it's certainly not about what that contributor said and I'll just shut my mouth.

Wilton Manors is almost literally an inland island so its sort of a self-sustaining village:
https://www.google.com/maps/@26.1602.../data=!3m1!1e3

[LAsam]

Originally Posted by DCReid

If you are referring to the one at the intersection of 26th and Fed highway, I believe it is closed. When I've driven by, it looks boarded up and there is graffiti on the building.

You just broke my heart

Looks like there's maybe one still open on University Dr in Sunrise... so at least there's that.

[UrbanImpact]

Originally Posted by DCReid

If you are referring to the one at the intersection of 26th and Fed highway, I believe it is closed. When I've driven by, it looks boarded up and there is graffiti on the building.

I believe they are looking to move to another Fort Lauderdale location soon.

[destroycreate]

No comment. Last time I expressed in my own thread that Miami's urbanity surprised me I was verbally beaten to a pulp by half of the forumers here.

[bossabreezes]

Originally Posted by destroycreate

No comment. Last time I expressed in my own thread that Miami's urbanity surprised me I was verbally beaten to a pulp by half of the forumers here.

You're not allowed to praise FL on SSP, or even have a favorable opinion on how it's urbanizing better than most of the country. I think we both learned this the hard way.

[iheartthed]

Originally Posted by destroycreate

No comment. Last time I expressed in my own thread that Miami's urbanity surprised me I was verbally beaten to a pulp by half of the forumers here.

[BnaBreaker]

Originally Posted by bossabreezes

Florida is probably one of the best places for new urbanity (if not the actual best) in the country. Too bad this forum tends to hate Florida because of its Latino Repbulican population, and is continually being looked at as a red-headed stepchild.

Most of its cities are increasingly densifying and offer better urban options than the vast majority of American cities, sunbelt or not.

Wait... you think that is why people hate Florida???

[LA21st]

Originally Posted by destroycreate

No comment. Last time I expressed in my own thread that Miami's urbanity surprised me I was verbally beaten to a pulp by half of the forumers here.

Because that's not what you did. You tried to downplay LA areas by trying to pump up Miami. If you just said, "Miami surprised me", you would've gotten a better response. I've seen formers do the same response in those scenarios, even New Yorkers here. But anyway...

[homebucket]

Massive condo towers atop parking podiums =/= urbanizing better. The Mission in SF, despite being comprised of mainly 2-4 story buildings, absolutely crushes Miami in terms of urbanity.

[10023]

Originally Posted by homebucket

Massive condo towers atop parking podiums =/= urbanizing better. The Mission in SF, despite being comprised of mainly 2-4 story buildings, absolutely crushes Miami in terms of urbanity.

Although the nice thing about parking podiums is that they create an amenities level (pool, garden space, BBQs, gym) that is raised off the street for sunlight and a breeze. Replicating NY style building topology in Miami would be a waste of the tropical weather.

The key is ground floor retail and ideally “wrapping” the podiums in micro-units or something (Vancouver style) rather than bare concrete walls. Many of the newer developments in Brickell/Downtown Miami seem to be doing just that.

[mhays]

You can do the same thing with a podium full of housing.

[wwmiv]

Originally Posted by mhays

You can do the same thing with a podium full of housing.

Except then you don’t have any place for people to keep the cars they want to own. Sorry, but even in most urban locations a significant share of people want cars.

[Ant131531]

Originally Posted by mhays

You can do the same thing with a podium full of housing.

The reality is, you go to Miami for the beach and nightlife, not to do urban exploring. I just don't think there's a truly a will for Miami to become an urban purist's ideal environment like Seattle. Same thing with Las Vegas.


That being said, Miami to some extent will have to densify in order to keep growing because of the limited space due to the Everglades and Atlantic Ocean.

[SIGSEGV]

the nice think about the podiums is that it's easy to move the street level up as Miami goes underwater.