A strange ranking due to LAX being 16 miles "too close" to New York

[dimondpark]

I saw this and scratched my head and thought, uh no, but whatever.

OAG defines long-haul as a journey that is over 4,000km. With that in mind, let’s proceed with the list:

The list of busiest long-haul routes
1 New York to San Francisco (JFK-SFO): 15,587 flights
2 New York to London (JFK-LHR): 14,195 flights
3 Honolulu to Los Angeles (HNL-LAX): 11,628 flights
4 New York to San Francisco (EWR-SFO): 11,302 flights
5 Boston to Los Angeles (BOS-LAX): 11,262 flights
6 Boston to San Francisco (BOS-SFO): 10,475 flights
7 Honolulu to Tokyo (HNL-NRT): 7,644 flights
8 Dubai to London (DXB-LHR): 7,109 flights
9 Los Angeles to London (LAX-LHR): 6,677 flights
10 Singapore to Sydney (SIN-SYD): 6,048 flights

https://simpleflying.com/busiest-long-haul-routes-2019/

According to Google: Distance from JFK to LAX
The shortest distance (air line) between JFK and LAX is 2,469.45 mi (3,974.20 km).

Doh.

[craigs]

Would JFK-LAX be #1 if not for failing to satisfy that distance requirement?

[LA21st]

Originally Posted by craigs

Would JFK-LAX be #1 if not for failing to satisfy that distance requirement?

I think so.

[SFBruin]

What a silly cutoff to use that includes some cross-country flights, but not others, from the world's largest domestic airlines market.

[tayser]

*laughs in Australian at all the Americans thinking 5-6 hours is long haul*

[JMKeynes]

This list shows the financial might of NY and Ca.!

[CaliNative]

Originally Posted by craigs

Would JFK-LAX be #1 if not for failing to satisfy that distance requirement?

L.A. to N.Y. trips are considerably larger than S.F./N.Y.

[BillM]

Originally Posted by CaliNative

L.A. to N.Y. trips are considerably larger than S.F./N.Y.

Isn't L.A. closer to N.Y. than San Francisco is to N.Y.?

[jtown,man]

Originally Posted by JMKeynes

This list shows the financial might of NY and Ca.!

Yeah, we Americans usually fall into one of two camps:

America SUX or USA USA USA

Anyways, I saw somewhere where the Boston metro has a larger GDP than all of Iran. We need to stop pretending like America is dead or something and be grateful, and then work our asses off making sure we stay where we are.

[dimondpark]

Originally Posted by LA21st

I think so.

Yes, they put LAX-JFK in the medium haul ranking, with 26,686 annual flights, by far the most if it were included in the long haul list.

[dimondpark]

Originally Posted by BillM

Isn't L.A. closer to N.Y. than San Francisco is to N.Y.?

Yes, a little closer...

LAX-JFK: 3,974 kilometers
SFO-JFK: 4,151 kilometers

That's a difference of about 177 km, or 109 miles.

[Camelback]

Originally Posted by BillM

Isn't L.A. closer to N.Y. than San Francisco is to N.Y.?

Yes. That is a geographic oddity in the minds of many.

JFK to SFO is 2,586 miles
JFK to LAX is 2,475 miles

[iheartthed]

Originally Posted by dimondpark

I saw this and scratched my head and thought, uh no, but whatever.

OAG defines long-haul as a journey that is over 4,000km. With that in mind, let’s proceed with the list:

The list of busiest long-haul routes
1 New York to San Francisco (JFK-SFO): 15,587 flights
2 New York to London (JFK-LHR): 14,195 flights
3 Honolulu to Los Angeles (HNL-LAX): 11,628 flights
4 New York to San Francisco (EWR-SFO): 11,302 flights
5 Boston to Los Angeles (BOS-LAX): 11,262 flights
6 Boston to San Francisco (BOS-SFO): 10,475 flights
7 Honolulu to Tokyo (HNL-NRT): 7,644 flights
8 Dubai to London (DXB-LHR): 7,109 flights
9 Los Angeles to London (LAX-LHR): 6,677 flights
10 Singapore to Sydney (SIN-SYD): 6,048 flights

https://simpleflying.com/busiest-long-haul-routes-2019/

According to Google: Distance from JFK to LAX
The shortest distance (air line) between JFK and LAX is 2,469.45 mi (3,974.20 km).

Doh.

I think the real problem is that NY to SF shouldn't be grouped into long-haul. Airlines don't really treat these routes as long-haul. My rule of thumb is that it isn't long-haul if they don't serve at least one standard airline meal in economy. Airlines don't really do that for NY to California routes.

[dimondpark]

Originally Posted by iheartthed

I think the real problem is that NY to SF shouldn't be grouped into long-haul. Airlines don't really treat these routes as long-haul. My rule of thumb is that it isn't long-haul if they don't serve at least one standard airline meal in economy. Airlines don't really do that for NY to California routes.

This probably makes the most sense---NYC to/from CA doesnt feel long haul to me either.

Anyhow, we're going to see a lot more JFK flights now that United has returned and started nonstop flights to LAX and SFO again.

https://simpleflying.com/united-jfk-return/

[SFBruin]

Originally Posted by JMKeynes

This list shows the financial might of NY and Ca.!

And their distance from each other of just over 4,000 km!

Sorry, I'll stop.

[jtown,man]

Originally Posted by steve harvey

To whom? Ourselves?

Being grateful does not mean it must be directed somewhere.

God. Your parents. Natural chance. Doesn't matter. There are like 7 billion people on this Earth and we all had about a 5 in 7 chance of ending up somewhere shitty. We lucked out.

[montréaliste]

Originally Posted by jtown,man

Being grateful does not mean it must be directed somewhere.

God. Your parents. Natural chance. Doesn't matter. There are like 7 billion people on this Earth and we all had about a 5 in 7 chance of ending up somewhere shitty. We lucked out.

...and on the eighth day, God saw that all was good, but decided to create the ghetto...

[mrnyc]

Originally Posted by montréaliste

...and on the eighth day, God saw that all was good, but decided to create the ghetto...

and also opportunity — at least in the usa, unlike ghetto citizens in other countries. for a prime example, the nyc cuny college system has been the greatest driver of upward mobility the world has ever known since the mid-1800s. theres always a yin with your yang.

[montréaliste]

Originally Posted by mrnyc

and also opportunity — at least in the usa, unlike ghetto citizens in other countries. for a prime example, the nyc cuny college system has been the greatest driver of upward mobility the world has ever known since the mid-1800s. theres always a yin with your yang.

No doubt about that. You could add to that a number of public Universities in the US, and still be fair. The cost of going to college however has also impeded upward mobility for a very long time, especially when you were born in a shitty hood circumstance.


Reading up on Kirk Douglas' wiki entry, his gumption certainly got him places, in spite of what obstacles were put in his way. He was admitted to a small college upstate NY after barging into the Dean's office. Paid his tuition eventually with small jobs. He was penniless in NYC, homeless at times. He changed his Russian Jewish name to become a more palatable American.
If you substituted Douglas with Satchmo or a Paul Robeson, you get a whiff of how much harder for a black performer to rise and be respected in those years. It didn't matter if you had made "Phi Beta Kappa", your hotel bookings were made a tad less pleasant.

[jtown,man]

Originally Posted by mrnyc

and also opportunity — at least in the usa, unlike ghetto citizens in other countries. for a prime example, the nyc cuny college system has been the greatest driver of upward mobility the world has ever known since the mid-1800s. theres always a yin with your yang.

NYC public colleges are amazing. I applied to an urban planning program at Hunter.