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Old Posted Mar 5, 2021, 5:50 PM
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I'm not a scientist or rocket engineer either but it's common sense that developers don't think in terms of what's more expensive or cheaper to build ...it's about potential profit or return on investment....a taller building will be waaay more expensive yes...but will make waaay more profit for them ... In turn making it a better investment....then they will be able to provide better quality materials because there is more profit margin ... It's kind of like gambling... You need to spend big to win big (typically)
Exactly. I don't understand why this is such a controversial idea on this forum lol. It's called economies of scale, and it's just the way it is. Larger developments have larger profit margins, it's literally what you learn in econ 101 at university.
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Old Posted Mar 5, 2021, 8:15 PM
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It's not controversial. The reality is that ROI isn't at a level in Hamilton yet to justify the cost of much larger and higher quality condo buildings.

Once the price level is there, we'll see deeper-pocketed developers pushing to enter the market. There will still be middling/mediocre construction, but the city's condo market will have enough diversity of demand to warrant the better stuff as well.

There are *two* sides to the economics of it. Econ 101 and 102 need to be taken together.
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Old Posted Mar 5, 2021, 8:17 PM
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It's not controversial. The reality is that ROI isn't at a level in Hamilton yet to justify the cost of much larger and higher quality condo buildings.

Once the price level is there, we'll see deeper-pocketed developers pushing to enter the market. There will still be middling/mediocre construction, but the city's condo market will have enough diversity of demand to warrant the better stuff as well.

There are *two* sides to the economics of it. Econ 101 and 102 need to be taken together.
No I agree with you completely on that point.

It's just that it is a known fact that the more units in a development (height) the cheaper the development becomes on a per unit basis - and this more profitable. This is due to sharing common mechanical, structural equipment, etc.

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It's not controversial. The reality is that ROI isn't at a level in Hamilton yet to justify the cost of much larger and higher quality condo buildings.

Once the price level is there, we'll see deeper-pocketed developers pushing to enter the market. There will still be middling/mediocre construction, but the city's condo market will have enough diversity of demand to warrant the better stuff as well.

There are *two* sides to the economics of it. Econ 101 and 102 need to be taken together.
Nah, keep dreaming theyd come, look at brad lambs proposal, reduce the height or its a no they say...
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Old Posted Mar 6, 2021, 1:28 AM
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Hamilton has enough parking lots and strip plazas to build 100,000 thirty storey buildings. If they're any taller, Hamilton will take 1,000 years to fill out into the city it once was. I think Hamilton should have a height limit of 8 storeys. Realistically 400 thirty storey buildings will be built in our lifetimes ... why not spread the density out further with a severe height restriction? If demand justifies it, these 8 storey buildings could be redeveloped into taller buildings c.2200. (I was reading an article on brick precast panels: guaranteed lifespan is only 50 years!; window wall and the cheap precast Hamilton developers love - half that time frame.)

Lamb's proposal is based on a formula he uses: take a nice historic block, burn or bulldoze it down and push density limits to the extreme in the name of (decent) aesthetics to extract max $. He's no visionary city builder. Repeating the same mistakes Hamilton has been making since the 1950s.

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Old Posted Mar 6, 2021, 11:35 AM
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Is it just me or has every single proposal had a 30 storey building in it ? I recall saying something about the looming tabletop skyline years ago ... Seems like that is becoming a reality... And to make it worse not a single building (except the one at James and Jackson) is tiered or coned or spiked at the top ....just bland, boring, flat, tabletop rooftops... Exciting times for Hamilton! Finally some growth and development and city council is f..king it up ROYALLY!!
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I agree with you. The idea that 1 60 Story Tower whatever secure the views from the Mountaintop is just silly. Two 30 story Towers will block more than one 60 Story Tower. Hamilton will be hitting close to 1 million in 20 years and the downtown will be filled with short stubby 30 story Towers and no room for new construction downtown. Hamilton needs to start thinking to the Future like every other City.
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It seems ironic that a city with 3 buildings over 30 stories (particularly since one of them was just built) to have a 30 story height limit so why does it exist?
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It was a beautiful proposal of forty stories by the old bus station downtown and they cut it down to 30 stories. This is the kind of small town thinking that is hurting Hamilton's growth. Why they would want to descale a beautiful project like that is typical and stupid of Hamilton planners and counsellors. We have one 40 story building, the landmark and it has to be the ugliest building I've seen in Ontario. Come on Hamilton!!
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Landmark Place upgrade.

Does anyone know if the Landmark Place is getting any changes to the outside of the building? it's by far the ugliest building in Downtown Hamilton. I think in the future we'll see a developer put money into it and possibly
reclad the outside with glass. Has anyone heard anything?
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For the simple fact that Hamilton needs, and more importantly deserves a quality piece of architecture. Landmark place is distinct, but in an old, drab kind of way - I think the Hamilton of today represents much more than that. It deserves more than that.

I think if the city wants to impose such a blanket rule like this, they should allow and open up the floor to a winning developer with a solid vision, one that will be not just smart for the the city, the area and its residents but for the sake of a statement. Something to show the region we are new, modern, changing - something to reflect who we have become, not the city of yesterday. I know the powers that be at city hall do not share this same mindset, but for the rest of us forward-thinkers. For our future residents, businesses.

We have a beautiful skyline, but it doesn't have a star. Ever city has a star. It's time Hamilton get's star.

...I'm Dustin and I approve this message. - kidding.

Take a look at a shot of the city I took this weekend. End the flatness, build something we can be proud of!

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Apparently that is already the case. The city will consider a taller building if it is of landmark quality and design. Jason Thorne used Empire State building and CN Tower as examples. We are clearly not getting those proposals but if anywhere is that piece of real estate i would think it.s City Centre. Right in the core and a huge property with ambitious plans. They should be encouraged to come up with exceptional designed proposals. The failure of the downtown secondary plan seems to be the fact that it encourages mediocrity. Sadface.
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Nice photo.

Olympia is going to look A LOT better once the re-clad (or refresh?) is done. We were up at Sam Lawrence on the weekend and the parts that have been completed look great (and really show how dingy the original facing had become)
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Old Posted Mar 10, 2021, 6:35 PM
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Nice photo.

Olympia is going to look A LOT better once the re-clad is done. We were up at Sam Lawrence on the weekend and the parts that have been completed look great (and really show how dingy the original facing had become)
Didn't know it was going to be re-cladded. Photos?
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Didn't know it was going to be re-cladded. Photos?
I don't have any, but you can see the southwest side has been done in that skyline photo. It may just be a paint job though, not a re-clad.

Streetview shows the work at a partly done stage too.
https://goo.gl/maps/GL7s9yn2xvesEVEh7
https://goo.gl/maps/nHdxs7iVynnxyFAH8
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I don't have any, but you can see the southwest side has been done in that skyline photo. It may just be a paint job though, not a re-clad.

Streetview shows the work at a partly done stage too.
https://goo.gl/maps/GL7s9yn2xvesEVEh7
https://goo.gl/maps/nHdxs7iVynnxyFAH8
I live in the building, it's just a paintjob, new outside exhaust vents for every unit and all new black caulking around every window and seam to help weather proof the building.

They left the old windows which seemed like a huge missed opportunity because they are long past their lifespan and rattle with the slightest wind and are so drafty. They also should of replaced the balcony railings to modernize the building but just slapped thick coats of paint on them.

And they really should be investing some money in the common element hallways as many floors look REALLY bad!
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I live in the building, it's just a paintjob, new outside exhaust vents for every unit and all new black caulking around every window and seam to help weather proof the building.

They left the old windows which seemed like a huge missed opportunity because they are long past their lifespan and rattle with the slightest wind and are so drafty. They also should of replaced the balcony railings to modernize the building but just slapped thick coats of paint on them.

And they really should be investing some money in the common element hallways as many floors look REALLY bad!
Thanks! That's too bad they're doing a half-assed renewal, but it does look a thousand times better with the new paint. Good from far, far from good I guess.

I lived in a midrise in Burlington for a long time. Over the years different owners did some redecorating of the halls and common areas, new laundry machines, replaced the metal balcony railings with glass, patched up the balcony concrete, and also did the windows and pipes. The latter two were MESSY jobs. However the installers did really shitty work with the window replacement -- I came home one day and my entire unit was covered in dust (they failed to cover my furniture, despite the building manager saying that would be done) and they had also left the space wide open after removing the originals, no plastic or tarp or anything tacked up; I'm lucky it was a nice week, but people on other levels fed birds so who knows what visitors I was getting lol. Next day it was done, and a day of cleaning took care of the dust. However, they also didn't seal the frames properly, and the sliders were not the greatest either. So our old drafty 1960s era windows became new drafty 2000s era windows, and they started keeping the temperature to the bare minimum in winter as well, justified by the new windows (the building had a central boiler with radiators tenants could not control). So much for "savings" through efficiency!
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