noirish Los Angeles

[HenryHuntington]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

and there's this...


eBay

seller's description:
"1950 Los Angeles Transit Railway CA #460 'N' Line East of Vermont."

Can anyone pinpoint the exact location of this photo?

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The N Line ran on W. 9th St. (now James M. Wood Blvd.) east of Vermont Ave., but several passes with the Googlemobile failed to turn up a match. Many of the properties along this street have been demolished/replaced over the last 66 years. One clue I noticed is that properties east of Westmoreland Ave. tend to be above street level, so this photo might've been taken in that first block from Vermont.

Unfortunately the dash sign on LATL 460 has been washed out just enough to make it unreadable on my screen, so we can't confirm direction of travel to better orient the photograph. It would read either "8th & Western" or "Union Station", and either looks plausible to me. My default orientation is that we're looking generally east.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

[aljv12]

But Dustin Farnham’ (Fradum) house was bought by Gail Patrick, and it's supposed to be on a hill just read the beginning of this
interview

http://www.classicimages.com/films_o...a4bcf887a.html

[aljv12]

Originally Posted by HossC

I can't help with the Oleander Arms, but here's an aerial from 1948 which shows the Dustin Farnum/Farnham house on the southeast corner of the intersection.


Historic Aerials

The house had already gone by 1952, but that aerial image is pretty blurry. This 1972 aerial shows the same replacement building(s).


Historic Aerials

Just for comparison, here's an up-to-date picture of the intersection. Most of the buildings from 1948 have been replaced by rectangular blocks with pools in the center, but a few survive.


Google Maps


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Before I forget: GW, thanks for all the LAT articles and follow-up picture about the University Club of Los Angeles.

BUT DUSTIN FARNUM HOUSE WAS BOUGHT BY GAIL PATRICK; JUST READ THIS.

http://www.classicimages.com/films_o...a4bcf887a.html

[ethereal_reality]

I've always thought Gail Patrick was one of the most beautiful actresses...very regal.

Not to mention her penchant for tongue-loaf.


http://flapperdays.blogspot.com/2009...l#.V1whKPnyuhc

...but not just any tongue-loaf.....piquant tongue-loaf.


That said, I'm confused about the house.

from avjl's link:
"As I walked up to the huge Hollywood Hills estate on a hot day in June, 1979, something curious came over me—I felt as if I were entering a scene out of Sunset Boulevard. Everything was of a lost era, from the statues of Greek gods to the basketball court overgrown with vegetation. Atop the hill above me was a sprawling mansion built in 1928
by silent screen star Dustin Farnum. There, standing at the door, wearing a beautiful white pant suit was Gail Patrick."
-James Bawden



Have we seen a photograph of the house on NLA, or are we still searching? (and what about the hill Mr. Bawden mentions in the text above)

Hoss's aerial (below) makes it looks very interesting...especially with the slightly curved front....or rather 'arms' extending out at a slight angle on either side.



And what does the house have to do with the Oleander Arms? (sorry, maybe I just need more coffee this morning)


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[ethereal_reality]

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge

Wow, another great find, e_r!

haha.

You made my morning Flyingwedge.

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[Bristolian]

Originally Posted by HenryHuntington

The N Line ran on W. 9th St. (now James M. Wood Blvd.) east of Vermont Ave., but several passes with the Googlemobile failed to turn up a match. Many of the properties along this street have been demolished/replaced over the last 66 years. One clue I noticed is that properties east of Westmoreland Ave. tend to be above street level, so this photo might've been taken in that first block from Vermont.

Unfortunately the dash sign on LATL 460 has been washed out just enough to make it unreadable on my screen, so we can't confirm direction of travel to better orient the photograph. It would read either "8th & Western" or "Union Station", and either looks plausible to me. My default orientation is that we're looking generally east.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

If this is an east-west street I would agree that we are looking east in this shot. The shadows pointing northeast would make sense. L.A. being in the northern hemisphere, we never have long shadows pointing anywhere south.
I'm afraid that's all I got.

[ethereal_reality]

Good deduction Bristolian. Thanks for the information on the location H_Huntington.
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I found this postcard of the Dustin Farnum house.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/OLD-PC-HOME-...0340558?_ul=AR

But notice that it says 'near' Los Angeles, so maybe this isn't the home on the southeast corner of Crescent Height Blvd. and Fountain Avenue.

Still confused.

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[CityBoyDoug]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

haha.

You made my morning Flyingwedge.

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LOL...good one ER.!! I know the feeling.

[Martin Pal]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

I found this postcard of the Dustin Farnum house.

But notice that it says 'near' Los Angeles, so maybe this isn't the home on the southeast corner of Crescent Height Blvd. and Fountain Avenue.

Still confused.

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Well, let's not get too confused, E_R! I originally posted about the location in question because I was trying to find out where the exact location of the Hollywood Guild and Canteen was, not to be confused with the Hollywood Canteen. That was in this post:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=20395

We know the address was 1284 N. Crescent Heights. It was started by a woman named Anne "Moms" Lehr who ran the place out of her house at that address. Sources, including the Hollywood Canteen Book and Hollywood, the First 100 Years say she ran the place in "what used to be the home of silent film star Dustin Farnham." (Online sources about the silent film actor have his name spelled as Farnum and Farnham, depending where you look.)

For this location we have three images:

One is this 1948 aerial Hoss provided:

Historic Aerials

A second is the postcard of Dustin's home:

eBay

The third is this close-up of the entrance to Anne Lehr's home aka The Hollywood Guild & Canteen.

Hollywood Photographs

What we know definitely is that this location is not on a hill. In all three photos we can see a long curved walkway leading to the corner of Fountain Ave. and Crescent Heights Blvd. In the postcard and "Guild" entrance photo the slanted roof architecture looks the same. There's also that palm tree in the same location.

We also know that this location was gone by 1952 and replaced by an apartment building or two, one of which was the Oleander Arms.

The Gail Patrick article link opens with the interviewer describing her home and we know that his description of it is NOT this location, he says it is in the Hollywood Hills for one, and also this location was not around in 1979, when he conducted the interview. We also don't know the address of the location he's talking about because it's not provided.

So, either the interviewer has incorrect information or the sources I have are incorrect, or Dustin had two residences at one time. If someone knows where Gail Patrick's address in 1979 could be located, we could research further into it.

I haven't ever come across a "postcard photo" picturing a star's home incorrectly, so I am assuming that is Dustin's residence. (Star "maps," yes, are often incorrect for one reason or another.)

Also, the postcard of Dustin's home saying "near Los Angeles"...in the 20's West Hollywood (or 'Sherman") was near Los Angeles.

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UPDATE: To find the answer to this question, skip ahead 6 months to here:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=38249

[Martin Pal]

Martin Turnbull posted a menu HERE and E_R posted several b&w photos of Mike Lyman's Flight Deck restaurant in this post:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=24183

An eBay seller just posted a color slide showing one of the roof top signs:

eBay

The seller dates it at c. 1955.

[Martin Pal]

Valley Boy c. 1955...?

The above seller also had this slide c. 1955, from somewhere in the Valley.
You never know on NLA, but the address is probably not locatable, but very
evocative of the mid-50's, a young man and his hot rod.

eBay

[Martin Pal]

Referencing this recent post:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=35390

A little Then and Now comparison.

Then: c. early 1950's.

Santa Monica Blvd. / San Vicente cross street ahead / Hilldale Ave. at left




Now:

Google Street View

[ethereal_reality]

Thanks for alleviating my confusion Martin Pal. I agree that the Farnum postcard and the b&w Hollywood-Guild-Canteen photograph are of the same place.

Originally Posted by Martin Pal

1955 / eBay

& I LOVE this photograph MP!

It's so cool to see the Mike Lyman's Flight Deck sign in color.

I wonder who's the dude with the bolero.
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[ethereal_reality]

I happened across this impressive photograph while we were discussing motormen a few days ago.

I thought it was especially interesting because there are two 'motormen' in this photo.


http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si.../id/5740/rec/1

"View of the corner of Citrus Avenue and Badillo Street in Covina, showing a Pacific Electric streetcar, ca.1908"


So is one of the young men the motorman, while the other is the ticket-taker.......or are they switching drivers?


detail


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[Martin Pal]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

& I LOVE this photograph MP!

It's so cool to see the Mike Lyman's Flight Deck sign in color.

I wonder who the dude is with the bolero.
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Glad you like it, I do, too!

I don't know who the "bolero dude" is, but I was looking at the other photo again and thinking the "valley boy" is the same person. (Maybe?)

(I was looking at the eBay seller pages and he says these photos are from a man who used to go around to different store locations
and take photos of their window displays, which he also has slides of for sale, along with some others like the ones above. So it may
be the same person. The slides are from those 3-D slides, I forget the name, where you have two images and look at the slides on
some contraption we've mentioned before so they look 3-D. Stereoptical or something.)

[ethereal_reality]

OK, I just saw this on eBay a few minutes ago. In this pic. it's obvious one is the motorman and one is the ticket taker (would he be considered a conductor?)


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Los-Angeles-...sAAOSwLnBXUzsq



for search purposes:
East or West Fourth sign above the window on the front / Hoover Street sign above the windows along the side. Euclid Avenue destination sign. #513

[ethereal_reality]

This was also on eBay a few minutes ago. (both auctions just ended)

The only information is L.A. Calif. on the back [no date]


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Anti...p2047675.l2557

I can't figure out where this is exactly.

I'm pretty sure we're looking at the back of a large grandstand on the left (could this be a corner of Pershing Square?)

This could be preparations for one of the Presidential visits, but there's no way of knowing for sure. (unless I'm missing some clues)


Here's a detail with the contrast adjusted just a bit.



and the back


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[MichaelRyerson]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

Thanks for alleviating my confusion Martin Pal. I agree that the Farnum postcard and the b&w Hollywood-Guild-Canteen photograph are of the same place.




& I LOVE this photograph MP!

It's so cool to see the Mike Lyman's Flight Deck sign in color.

I wonder who's the dude with the bolero.
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Bolo?

[Bristolian]

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

OK, I just saw this on eBay a few minutes ago. In this pic. it's obvious one is the motorman and one is the ticket taker (would he be considered a conductor?)

I know that years ago that was the name of that job on British buses. The Who have a line about the conductor in the song "Magic Bus".
It is also a job that was eliminated or added to the driver's duties years ago in Britain.

[Earl Boebert]

Originally Posted by MichaelRyerson

Bolo?

Not a bolo. We used to call one like he's wearing a "string tie."

Cheers,

Earl