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Old Posted Oct 22, 2020, 3:47 PM
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I updated Buffalo with your numbers. Buffalo is probably the biggest surprise for me so far, even though it shouldn't be since it's located in a fairly dense region.
surprised me too. I think the international border makes people forget how close it really is to Toronto. I really need to visit more, at least once the border is open again.
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Old Posted Oct 22, 2020, 3:55 PM
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one that sort of surprised me:

Dusseldorf, Germany gets an output of over 18 million for a 100km radius. I knew the Cologne/Dusseldorf/Dortmund mega metro was big, just not that big.
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100km radius centred on Brussels (Belgium) yields nearly 13 million.
The estimated population in the defined area is 12,980,790

Which is more than one centred on Amsterdam:
The estimated population in the defined area is 11,459,550

And way more than Berlin:
The estimated population in the defined area is 5,817,130
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Old Posted Oct 22, 2020, 4:38 PM
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The country's population will peak mid-century and then start shrinking...we arent having enough babies to sustain population growth.
Good.

There are far too many humans on the planet.

I'm not proposing/endorsing any forced 'shrinkage' in population, but by no means should we opposed that occurring of people's free will.

We've literally lost countless thousands of species to extinction; many people lack any true wilderness within an hour's drive of where they live (day trip/easy access).

Water all over the planet is grossly polluted; and land value is needlessly high making homelessness more of an issue than it ought to be.

Many areas are more overcrowded than the U.S.; but that's not a justification for further crowding the U.S.

Global population should get down to about 3 Billion, and then there will be ample resources for everyone and a very manageable level of pollution.
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Old Posted Oct 22, 2020, 4:49 PM
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The U.S. for the most part is quite sparse, almost rural one might say.

With some areas, minute you leave the suburbs, literally nothing. Starts to get empty real quick.
Conceptually I disagree with you.

Sure, if your comparing the NYC megalopolis to Idaho.....ain't nobody there in Idaho.

But in reality there almost 1.8M people in Idaho.

Not exactly empty.

There's no need to clutter what remains of 'lower 48' wilderness with more people.

Its nice as it is.

It would be nicer still if areas like Appalachia could be returned to a similar state.

De-populate, make room for cougars, bears, snakes, eagles etc.

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Also the relative comparison of US density isn't what people make it out to be.

I googled a list of countries by population density and ordered it, from least dense to most.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/co...ies-by-density

The U.S. is the 59th least population dense country.

First is Greenland at less than 1 person per km2

Australia is #7 at 3 people per km2

Canada is #11 at 4 people per km2

Russian is #19 at 9 people per km2

Saudi Arabia is #25 at 19 people per km2

Argentina is the same at 19 people per km2

The U.S. is #59 at 35 people per km2

But that's deceptive as it includes Alaska.

The U.S is really closer to 40 per km2 (10x the density of Canada)
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Old Posted Oct 22, 2020, 6:16 PM
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There are 14,423,440 inhabitants around Manchester, UK.

100 km radius around a city is not a good measurement, in many case it just shows that a region is more densely populated.
England, Holland, Flanders, Northwest Germany, you get usually large figures for cities in those area because cities are close to each other.

More a city is located in a sparsely populated region, more its metropolitan area will cover a large surface because it's easier to move in an empty corner (less traffic, less stop needed for trains) and because there are fewer other towns around that are likely to attract people.

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In the lower 48, I'm guessing it's somewhere in nevada.

Nevada has a decent population, but they're almost all in Vegas/Reno.

Get outside of them and nevada is EMPTY of people.
Nevada and Southern Idaho probably win, but Wyoming might give it a run for it's money.
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I bet you there's some location in Rhein-Ruhr that has highest radius population in Europe.

But as others have mentioned, this is just waaay too broad geography to really ascertain regional population. In the Ruhr, you can be 5 km out of a major city like Essen and be in rural farmland. Most of the former Western Germany has been densely devloped, with villages every km or so in every direction, for centuries. Former East Germany has some semi-empty areas, but the western states are mostly very dense.
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Old Posted Oct 22, 2020, 6:41 PM
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Nevada and Southern Idaho probably win, but Wyoming might give it a run for it's money.
Maybe Isle Royale National Park, in Lake Superior? Zero island residents and surrounded by vast water. But that's a technicality.
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Old Posted Oct 22, 2020, 6:51 PM
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Conceptually I disagree with you.

Sure, if your comparing the NYC megalopolis to Idaho.....ain't nobody there in Idaho.

But in reality there almost 1.8M people in Idaho.

Not exactly empty.

There's no need to clutter what remains of 'lower 48' wilderness with more people.

Its nice as it is.

It would be nicer still if areas like Appalachia could be returned to a similar state.

De-populate, make room for cougars, bears, snakes, eagles etc.

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Also the relative comparison of US density isn't what people make it out to be.

I googled a list of countries by population density and ordered it, from least dense to most.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/co...ies-by-density

The U.S. is the 59th least population dense country.

First is Greenland at less than 1 person per km2

Australia is #7 at 3 people per km2

Canada is #11 at 4 people per km2

Russian is #19 at 9 people per km2

Saudi Arabia is #25 at 19 people per km2

Argentina is the same at 19 people per km2

The U.S. is #59 at 35 people per km2

But that's deceptive as it includes Alaska.

The U.S is really closer to 40 per km2 (10x the density of Canada)
I doubt there is a bunch of easily developable land in the U.S. that is untouched. Much of the west is dominated by uninhabitable terrain, and nearly everything east of the Rockies is either urbanized or devoted to farmland.
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Old Posted Oct 22, 2020, 7:02 PM
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Yeah. When Baltimore and Philadelphia are posting population numbers that are almost larger than the populations of their actual states (Maryland-6.0 Million/Pennsylvania 12.8 Million), the catchment area is too large.
Well, Philadelphia's MSA/CSA covers Southeastern Pennsylvania, all of South Jersey, and 2/3rds of Delaware. So, your logic makes no sense.

Philadelphia's CSA is over 7M, and while this 62-mile radius around Philadelphia bleeds into NYC Metro towns to the north, it's not too much of a stretch to imagine Philadelphia area having a population of 9-10M if NYC was further away or didn't exist.
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Cleveland and Pittsburgh, with over 3.7 million listed, both include much of the Youngstown-Warren metro populations. Also, Cleveland's radius has Canton, OH, which usually isn't included on CMSA population figures. Very interesting tool though, as I remember a mathematical formula that creates a radius around a metro area, based on population, as pertains to it's sphere of influence. This seems to emulate that formula, to a degree.
If you count the entire Cleveland-Pittsburgh region, Cleveland-Akron-Canton CSA is 3.5m, Youngstown is 565k and Pittsburgh CSA is 2.6m = 6.7 million total. That's a lot of rust.
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looking through the scripts, it looks like this just uses ESRI's sample REST server:
https://sampleserver1.arcgisonline.c...ulationSummary

If this becomes too popular ESRI will probably just block it...
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Putting a 100km center in Lakeland, FL gives a population of 5,388,214 pulling from Tampa and Orlando metros
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Yeah, SE Oregon / NW Nevada probably wins. Centered around Stearns Mountain Wilderness I got 3,069.
nice find!
Oregon is one of those states where the size is misleading. from the SE corner to Astoria it's an 11 hour 30 minute drive.
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Old Posted Oct 22, 2020, 9:01 PM
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Nevada and Southern Idaho probably win, but Wyoming might give it a run for it's money.
so far this location seems to be the winner:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/An...!4d-118.608704

it's half way between Plush, OR and Dickshooter, ID.
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In the lower 48, I'm guessing it's somewhere in nevada.

Nevada has a decent population, but they're almost all in Vegas/Reno.

Get outside of them and nevada is EMPTY of people.
A haunting story that describes how empty that part of the US is: in 2011 a Canadian couple were driving a van on a backroad in Elko County, Nevada when it broke down. The husband left on foot to get help, but the wife stayed behind in the van. She subsisted on melted snow water and the leftover snacks they had in the van for 48 days before another car (actually ATV riders) passed by and she was rescued.

The husband died, and his body was found a year and a half later.
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A haunting story that describes how empty that part of the US is: in 2011 a Canadian couple were driving a van on a backroad in Elko County, Nevada when it broke down. The husband left on foot to get help, but the wife stayed behind in the van. She subsisted on melted snow water and the leftover snacks they had in the van for 48 days before another car (actually ATV riders) passed by and she was rescued.

The husband died, and his body was found a year and a half later.
God that's horrific. I don't like to ever be more than a mile or two from civilization.
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