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Old Posted Jul 23, 2019, 12:45 AM
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No it won't. Driverless cars will increase congestion, if they even become fully mature in our lifetimes. And they'll never be as fast.
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Old Posted Jul 23, 2019, 2:25 AM
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there are not enough rare earth materials for parts and batteries to sustain a future of individual car ownership. rail will have to make a major return (though it has never really been foundational in the west). I think a starting network connecting the 5 biggest prairie cities with train speeds of even 250 km/h (which I don't think is considered HSR) would be start. you could do Edmonton/Calgary to Winnipeg in about 6 hours, Calgary to Edmonton in less than 2... that's more then enough to squeeze out a huge amount of air and personal vehicle travel. air traffic will also have to be shifted in the future (having to go to Calgary for flights SW of the prairies, Winnipeg for flights east) that would massively reduce emissions. as long as their is good rail connectivity, we can do it and build a much more connected and advanced society
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Still a great idea especially with Bombardier coming up with some really innovative solutions with its Primove charge system that allows medium and high speed electric operations without the use of wires except at charging stations. That significantly cuts down on the cost of energy and construction... Too bad the f*ck ups at the UCP don't care about anything but stripping this province of everything but profit for its shareholders. Oops, I mean supporters...
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Still a great idea especially with Bombardier coming up with some really innovative solutions with its Primove charge system that allows medium and high speed electric operations without the use of wires except at charging stations. That significantly cuts down on the cost of energy and construction... Too bad the f*ck ups at the UCP don't care about anything but stripping this province of everything but profit for its shareholders. Oops, I mean supporters...
So the electrification can just be at stations with just plain rail in between? That is a game changer if true.
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So the electrification can just be at stations with just plain rail in between? That is a game changer if true.
Here's the Talent 3 train by Bombardier which can travel up to 100 km on battery power alone...

https://www.bombardier.com/en/media/...ardiercom.html

And here is the link to the PDF with the Electrostar proof of concept https://www.bombardier.com/content/d...tar_LowRes.pdf
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Yeah, electrification costs are estimated in the 2004 at 25% of construction costs, 16.7% of total costs. But I doubt Primove would work on highspeed applications - you'd just be carrying on way too many batteries-capacitors (google was no help in answering this). You're looking at 20 kwh of consumption per kilometer, without the weight of carrying around the storage system and dealing with more than 60 kwh per minute of energy use.



If you could get a hydrogen set with the ability to generate that much power, lets say 4 MW, you'd do the trip on less than 300 kilos of the stuff. The waste heat of capacitors, batteries, or fuel cells would be considerable too and take lots of effort to deal with. In comparison, the hydrogen Coradia iLint's diesel version has a power requirement of about 1/10th the amount.



Easiest just to order a trainset with a jet train style solution, and if a better option comes along, replace it.
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This is exciting, and I think the growing concerns about climate change and urgency to find ways to reduce air (short haul/connecting) and car travel (to further speed the reduction of petroleum use) - I really believe now that I will ride this line by the 2030s This line is now being thought of as 'necessary' and inevitable.


Experts, officials meet at Microsoft HQ to discuss high-speed rail between Vancouver and U.S.

https://globalnews.ca/news/6143262/v...h-speed-train/

International experts talk Cascadia high-speed train:

https://globalnews.ca/video/rd/c6c40...-0242ac110003/

Keith Baldrey on comparable costs of high-speed rail:

https://globalnews.ca/video/rd/15721...9/?jwsource=cl
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Yeah its got some good legs to it.
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This is exciting, and I think the growing concerns about climate change and urgency to find ways to reduce air (short haul/connecting) and car travel (to further speed the reduction of petroleum use) - I really believe now that I will ride this line by the 2030s This line is now being thought of as 'necessary' and inevitable.


Experts, officials meet at Microsoft HQ to discuss high-speed rail between Vancouver and U.S.

https://globalnews.ca/news/6143262/v...h-speed-train/

International experts talk Cascadia high-speed train:

https://globalnews.ca/video/rd/c6c40...-0242ac110003/

Keith Baldrey on comparable costs of high-speed rail:

https://globalnews.ca/video/rd/15721...9/?jwsource=cl
Sounds like a really interesting project! Any further updates or progress on this proposed project?
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Let's see how receptive the federal government is to the idea of funding it. Also, have we figured out where to put the terminus in Vancouver yet? Now that I think of it, Scott Road Station is too far-fetched. It can be a stop that serves SofF but shouldn't be the end of the line.
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Sounds like a really interesting project! Any further updates or progress on this proposed project?
I think Seattle heavyweights Microsoft and Amazon (over $2 Trillion USD market cap) putting their weight behind this particular project - recently - is a promising development. Very complicated, expensive project.

This particular line has the best chance of happening (out of any currently proposed in NA) within the next 10 years IMHO.
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Concept video for the hyperloop between Edmonton and Calgary:

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The government of Alberta is exploring the feasibility of building a rail line between the Calgary International Airport and the town of Banff.

“The Alberta government has signed a memorandum of understanding with the Canada Infrastructure Bank (CIB) to assess the feasibility of a new passenger rail service between Calgary and Banff,” the government said in a release Tuesday afternoon.

The cost of the feasibility study will be paid for by the Canada Infrastructure Bank.

The government said Banff National Park attracts about four million visitors a year with about 23,000 vehicles travelling Hwy. 1 in both directions at the Banff National Park gates every day.

In February 2019, it was reported such a rail service was feasible and it would cost $660 million to build.

A study — which was commissioned by the towns of Banff, Canmore and Cochrane, as well as the City of Calgary and Improvement District 9 — examined mass transit as a way to reduce vehicle congestion along the Bow Valley corridor and in the national park.

The study said a passenger rail service could have eight round trips per day and transport between 220,000 and 620,000 passengers per year.

The study said the train could make stops in downtown Calgary, adjacent to the planned Green Line CTrain stop at 9 Ave. S.E. and 4 St. S.W.; at Keith Yard, near the overpass of Stoney Trail N.W. along Bearspaw Dam Rd. N.W.; and in Cochrane, Canmore and Banff.

“The growing number of visitors to the area is increasing traffic congestion on highways and local roads,” said the government release Tuesday.

“Our government is creating an environment where investors and job creators can succeed in Alberta. We are pleased to be partnering with the CIB to complete a feasibility study for the Calgary-Banff Rail project. The CIB brings expertise and experience that is needed for a project of this scale. We look forward to learning more about this exciting project and hearing from our community partners about how this opportunity can support our tourism industry and get our economy back on track,”said Alberta Transportation Minister Ric McIver.

Michael Sabia, board chair, Canada Infrastructure Bank, said: “We are pleased to be building a strong partnership with the Government of Alberta. An important part of the CIB’s role is to work closely with governments across Canada to advance new infrastructure opportunities. The Calgary-Banff Rail project is the first of many potential projects for the CIB in Alberta.”
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$600M seems like a drop in the bucket compared to other automotive-based infrastructure projects... I think it should be part of a larger network upgrade to create higher speed inter-city train service as well as regional rail...
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$600M seems like a drop in the bucket compared to other automotive-based infrastructure projects... I think it should be part of a larger network upgrade to create higher speed inter-city train service as well as regional rail...
$600 million or so buys you the capital cost of an extra track from downtown Calgary to Banff, and that is it.



Expect various estimates to come back in the $1.4b range to service the airport as well.



And yes, not that much for a useful piece of infrastructure. And no, while it could be a part of a network, it is important that pieces that can stand almost on their own, are allowed to develop that way. Last thing we want is a very viable line to be derailed due to someone wanting an unviable service to their particular suburb.
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Even if we spend $20B compared to how many road subsidies are spent building and maintaining an unsustainable network? Give me a break...
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$600M for rail to Banff is as believable as 42km of Green Line for $4.5B, and $20B of rail likely won't get as much benefit country wide as that made up subsidy number for roads did, if it isn't spent wisely.
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