Boise Development Thread - Part II

BoiseAirport · #1 Posted **Mar 11, 2015, 8:14 AM**

Boise Development Thread - Part II

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See also:
Boise: sports venues
Boise Transportation Thread
Boise State University Developments
Boise: JUMP/Simplot World Headquarters
Idaho Statewide Development and News Thread
Mountain West Microbrew: Chit chat and irrelevancy
Neverending Mountain West region college football thread

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Original Boise Development Thread
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Welcome to Part II!

→ Active Projects ←
We are actively finding and receiving updates on these projects. Also includes projects
under construction.

Pennbridge Hotel
Hotel
Floors: 10
Status: Proposed

JUMP Phase II - Simplot Headquarters
Office Tower
Floors: 9
Status: Under Construction

City Center Plaza:
Clearwater Building/Convention Center Expansion/Transit Center
Office Tower
Floors: 9, 5
Status: Under Construction

The Inn at 500 S. Capital
Hotel
Floors: 7
Status: Proposed

The Roost
Mixed-Use Apartments
Floors: 7
Status: Proposed

No rendering yet.

The Nest
Mixed-Use Apartments
Floors: 7
Status: Proposed

No rendering yet.

St. Lukes Cardiovascular Tower
Hospital Tower
Floors: 6 (Jefferson Plaza), 9 (Cardio Tower)
Status: Active

JUMP - Jack's Urban Meeting Place
Mixed Use Arts/Community Center + Urban Park
Floors: 7
Status: Under Construction

One Nineteen
Mixed-Use Condominiums
Floors: 6, 4
Status: Under Construction

The Afton
Mixed-Use Condominiums
Floors: 6
Status: Approved

Cradlepoint Building
Office Building
Floors: 6
Status: Approved

1201 W. River St.
Office Building / Storage
Floors: 6
Status: Proposed

Boise State Fine Arts Building
University
Floors: 5
Status: Proposed/Fundraising

Boise Heights
Apartments
Floors: 5
Status: Under Construction

River Edge
Apartments
Floors: 5
Status: Under Construction

Vista West
Apartments
Floors: 4
Status: Under Construction

Vista East
Apartments
Floors: 4
Status: Under Construction

916 Park
Mixed Use Apartments
Floors: 4
Status: Under Construction

Boise State Alumni Center
University
Floors: 4
Status: Under Construction

Idaho Historical Museum Expansion
Museum
Floors: Various
Status: Proposed

Harris Ranch
Residential Community
Floors: Various
Status: Complete/Proposed

Boise River Whitewater Park Phase II
Parks & Recreation
Floors: N/A
Status: Complete/Proposed

Esther Simplot Park
Parks & Recreation
Floors: N/A
Status: Under Construction

→ Inactive/Visionary Projects ←
These projects have been in headlines in recent years, but have recently been quiet
for a variety of reasons. Status is generally unknown, and could be alive or dead.
This list also includes visionary projects which may be fundraising, but have no set design or
construction date.

Capital II Tower
Office Tower
Floors: 11
Status: Unknown

555 Parkcenter Blvd.
Apartments
Floors: 5
Status: Proposed

Light Rail/Downtown Circulator/Trolley
Floors: N/A
Status: Vision

New Boise Hawks Stadium
Stadium
Floors: Various
Status: Vision

Boise Public Market
Floors: 2-3
Status: Vision

Broad 5
Office Tower
Floors:
Status: Unknown

Capital Terrace Apartments/Condominiums
Apartment/Condominium
Floors: 2+8
Status: Unknown

Whole Foods Development Phase II
Condominiums
Floors: Unknown
Status: Unknown

Capitol Connector Building
Floors: 6
Status: Proposed/Visionary

Eagle Island State Park
Park
Floors: N/A
Status: Visionary

→ Comprehensive Master Plans ←
This is how our current leaders see Boise in 20-30 years. And by the looks of it, the future is bright!

Blueprint Boise - City of Boise Master Plan

Boise West Side Master Plan
2001

Old Boise - River - Myrtle Master Plan
2004

30th Street Redevelopment Master Plan
March 2010

Pioneer Corridor Master Plan

Boise State University Campus Master Plan

Boise Airport Master Plan
April 2010

boisenative · #2 Posted **Mar 11, 2015, 3:13 PM**

I hate to start out the new thread with something not development related. But job growth = future development

. Here is a Forbes article about where to find jobs this spring.

Quote:

No. 1 spot is Boise, Idaho, followed by Jacksonville, Grand Rapids, and Milwaukee. “Once you set foot in Boise, you can literally see the growth,” says Ackerman. Boise’s employment outlook has jumped 10 points since the first quarter of 2015 when it was 22%.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/susanada...this-spring-2/

It's amazing to see how much growth and recognition Boise is seeing these days. Our little city is growing up.

Also, development related. I love the look of the Inn at 500 S. Capitol. Like Airport said, as long as they use the right material for the green roof, I think there is a lot of potential. Here's to hoping that all of the current proposals come to fruition!

(except from maybe the storage project on River. I'm still skeptical about that one...)

Hawk · #3 Posted **Mar 11, 2015, 3:22 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by boisenative

I hate to start out the new thread with something not development related. But job growth = future development

. Here is a Forbes article about where to find jobs this spring.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/susanada...this-spring-2/

It's amazing to see how much growth and recognition Boise is seeing these days. Our little city is growing up.

Also, development related. I love the look of the Inn at 500 S. Capitol. Like Airport said, as long as they use the right material for the green roof, I think there is a lot of potential. Here's to hoping that all of the current proposals come to fruition!

(except from maybe the storage project on River. I'm still skeptical about that one...)

Maybe I have been a bit hard on The Inn at 500 S. Capital. You and Boise Airport are right, if the right materials are used the green roof will definitely stand out and be unique downtown. Keep in mind too that that is only the very first rendering. Just like the JUMP project, there could be some minor changes to the design before/during the building phase. making it better/worse then what we're currently seeing.

BoiseBMW · #4 Posted **Mar 11, 2015, 3:26 PM**

In for new thread.

Thanks for starting thread number two BoiseAirport. And a sticky at that. I can't wait to see where it goes. I have thoroughly enjoyed reading development thread number one.

Cottonwood · #5 Posted **Mar 11, 2015, 4:48 PM**

Thanks BoiseAirport!

The old thread still has room for another final comment to hit 10,000 posts....

Visualize · #6 Posted **Mar 11, 2015, 5:42 PM**

Even though I like using this parcel along the river as a parking lot, I really want to see some quality development on this site. Maybe the power of skyscraperpage will get the word out. Also, if anyone is into some of the financial aspects of projects, it's interesting to know the land values, and there are "similar examples" at the bottom of the page.

http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/15419...Blvd-Boise-ID/

boisecynic · #7 Posted **Mar 11, 2015, 7:06 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Visualize

Even though I like using this parcel along the river as a parking lot, I really want to see some quality development on this site. Maybe the power of skyscraperpage will get the word out. Also, if anyone is into some of the financial aspects of projects, it's interesting to know the land values, and there are "similar examples" at the bottom of the page.

Wow, $2.2 million? That's 5 times the assessed value. That's more than the triple assessed value they were asking for the Bob Rice Ford property a few years ago.

Boisebro · #8 Posted **Mar 11, 2015, 7:56 PM**

regarding the proposed Inn at 500, here's an image of the Inn at 5th in Eugene for comparison.

if ours looks like this (albeit larger), it'd be a very nice addition to the city.

i do like the green roof and details of the rendering. i really hope the final design doesn't stray too far from it!

Hawk · #9 Posted **Mar 11, 2015, 8:11 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boisebro

regarding the proposed Inn at 500, here's an image of the Inn at 5th in Eugene for comparison.

i do like the green roof and details of the rendering. i really hope the final design doesn't stray too far from it!

BoiseBro your photo is proof that even If the Inn at 500 was going to have a red roof it'd still look very attractive downtown. There's no question that this will be a great addition. I'm pleased that there will finally be some height in and around Central Addition. it's just asking for it.
Anyways, if they do stray away from 500's original design, it's unlikely that they will though but I wouldn't mind if they added a few more floors to it.

DonDay · #10 Posted **Mar 11, 2015, 9:31 PM**

I was able to obtain some additional detail/renderings on the Inn at 500 Capitol. Here's closer rendering of the middle section of the hotel:

And here are some photos of the interior styling:

It's a $25-million project with 104 rooms, nightly rate in the low $200 range. Planned to include a wellness center and spa, as well as a "fine dining" establishment yet to be announced. CSHQA doing the design.

All this added to my BoiseDev rundown too at http://bit.ly/BoiseDev

DonDay · #11 Posted **Mar 12, 2015, 12:37 AM**

Oh I think you might be right. I have the larger-res render file so I zoomed in as well - it's a little more clear

Also, here's a tighter shot of the entry just for fun:

Hawk · #12 Posted **Mar 12, 2015, 12:44 AM**

Interesting find AB! I wonder how many level's of underground parking there will be? it's on a small parcel of land so there could be a chance for 2 levels. Idk

seventwenty · #13 Posted **Mar 12, 2015, 5:28 AM**

Hi I'm just here for page one. Bye!

Sawtooth · #14 Posted **Mar 12, 2015, 3:03 PM**

Excellent rundown BA

I just noticed that you joined SSP a year before I did.

Boise has grown so much since I joined and started posting photos. I am looking forward to this latest growth spurt and the future and sharing what I see through my eyes of the city I love.

Boisebro · #15 Posted **Mar 12, 2015, 3:46 PM**

couple of questions for those-in-the-know:

1 - is there an estimated height for the 10-story hotel? BA's rendering looks like it'll be about the same height or slightly taller than the hampton, which according to emporia is 120 feet.

2 - what is the proposal on the BSU campus next to the dorm towers in BA's rendering? it looks like a 7-8 story structure; is that a placeholder for the graphic arts building?

3 - while these two new hotel proposals are great, i seem to recall the boise convention center wanting a 400-room hotel to support the expansion, ideally within a block or so of the grove (IMO, one ideal location would be the surface parking lot on front and 6th; another would be across the street from Hotel 43). here's the quote from the statesman that i'm referring to:

Quote:

Sooner or later, Rice said, the auditorium needs a major hotel — think 350 to 400 rooms — within a block or two of Boise Centre.

“The Centre needs a big hotel if we’re really going to deliver on that expected economic impact that we want,” Rice said.

Johnson looks at the issue from a different perspective. He likes the idea of several smaller hotels that together add more rooms in Boise as demand ramps up. It’s harder to fill a big hotel, he said, especially one that depends on conventions as its main source of guests.

granted, there is a difference of opinion in the piece, and it looks more like we're getting smaller hotels to fill the need instead of one large one.

we now have two smaller proposals with a total of 250 rooms, which suggests there's still a potential need for 100 to 150 more rooms. i wonder if one more proposal is in the works... perhaps a mixed use hotel/condo/office structure on one of the lots i mentioned? a 150 room hotel combined with condos/office space on a smaller lot like the one by Hotel 43 could even result in a new tallest. thoughts?

BoiseAirport · #16 Posted **Mar 12, 2015, 4:50 PM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boisebro

couple of questions for those-in-the-know:

1 - is there an estimated height for the 10-story hotel? BA's rendering looks like it'll be about the same height or slightly taller than the hampton, which according to emporia is 120 feet.

2 - what is the proposal on the BSU campus next to the dorm towers in BA's rendering? it looks like a 7-8 story structure; is that a placeholder for the graphic arts building?

3 - while these two new hotel proposals are great, i seem to recall the boise convention center wanting a 400-room hotel to support the expansion, ideally within a block or so of the grove (IMO, one ideal location would be the surface parking lot on front and 6th; another would be across the street from Hotel 43). here's the quote from the statesman that i'm referring to:

granted, there is a difference of opinion in the piece, and it looks more like we're getting smaller hotels to fill the need instead of one large one.

we now have two smaller proposals with a total of 250 rooms, which suggests there's still a potential need for 100 to 150 more rooms. i wonder if one more proposal is in the works... perhaps a mixed use hotel/condo/office structure on one of the lots i mentioned? a 150 room hotel combined with condos/office space on a smaller lot like the one by Hotel 43 could even result in a new tallest. thoughts?

1 - There's no height estimate I'm aware of. My rendering was conceptual based on a slightly higher floor-to-ceiling ratio for both rooms and lobby. Could be a bit taller or shorter in real life.

2 - That's the Fine Arts Building. I put it at a height equal to the business building. It will be between 4-6 floors depending on how fundraising goes.

3 - There are positives and negatives to having one large hotel vs. several smaller hotels. Neither option is necessarily better or worse than the other, I think it's just a matter of what we as a city want. It's better for attracting large conventions to have one large hotel. But a few smaller hotels are better from a customer standpoint as more competition will mean lower prices and more product variety to choose from--making Boise a more attractive destination for smaller conventions.

The current Boise Centre isn't very well set up for the really large conventions. The expansion will help, but the Boise Centre will still need to be renovated (probably with more floors added) and unfortunately lawsuits are holding up that process. Until it's renovated, I don't think there will be much advantage to building 1 large hotel vs. several smaller ones.

I'd love, love, love to see a hotel on that space across the street from Hotel 43. I don't know who owns that land--I recall it was slated for the second phase of Capital Two Center, which would have it be an office building. But being so close to that convention center, a hotel seems like it'd be a perfect fit.

Architecture Buff · #17 Posted **Mar 12, 2015, 7:25 PM**

Google map aerial view of building sites for the two new hotels:

Broad & Capital (Pennbridge) at 10 floors with hotel north and south along Capital across from Hampton Inn at 11 floors, and The Inn at 500 Capital at 7 floors going west east along Myrtle just north of the Flicks.
All three hotels have parking garages, with the two new ones showing parking garage entrances in current renderings. (The Inn at Capital) per Statesman says no onsite parking for guests.
But:
There would be on-site parking for employees of the hotel and a restaurant Obie plans to build and lease to a restaurateur. Covered parking at ground level. (Sven Berg for the Idaho Statesman, his understanding)
Read more here: http://www.idahostatesman.com/2015/0...#storylink=cpy

Architecture Buff · #18 Posted **Mar 13, 2015, 12:35 AM**

List of downtown hotels with number of rooms and floors:

The Grove Hotel.................... 250..... 13 in a 17 story bldg.
Hampton Inn & Suites............ 186..... 11
Pennbridge (Capital & Broad).. 180..... 10
Hotel 43............................... 112..... 6
The Inn at 500 Capital............ 104..... 7
Safari Inn............................. 103..... 3

Total rooms........................... 974

Architecture Buff · #19 Posted **Mar 13, 2015, 12:47 AM**

Boise Heights 5 floors:

http://www.esiconstruction.com/Proje...2/Default.aspx

Bodo_business · #20 Posted **Mar 13, 2015, 2:23 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Architecture Buff

List of downtown hotels with number of rooms and floors:

The Grove Hotel.................... 250..... 13 in a 17 story bldg.
Hampton Inn & Suites............ 186..... 11
Pennbridge (Capital & Broad).. 180..... 10
Hotel 43............................... 112..... 6
The Inn at 500 Capital............ 104..... 7
Safari Inn............................. 103..... 3

Total rooms........................... 974

From what I remember (trying to dig up the source), Safari is closing up soon, so downtown will only net 181 additional rooms with the two new hotels. That means there still might be room for a large 400+ hotel.