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A little refinement will make this a fantastic proposal. It seems a bit bulky to me and the crowns just seem like throw ins.. It can be better, but the height, the views, the location... top notch
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Looks like the 1970s Pereira lowrise will be denied historic monument status

Excellent. Let the two towers rise.
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LA's skyline will be stretching yet again!
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LA's skyline will be stretching yet again!
Just what Bunker Hill/Civic Center needs. Imagine how the skyline will look like with the additions of the Grand Ave Project, the project south of Times Mirror Sqaure, Angels Landing, LA Grand Hotel Tower, and this project?!
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There's several new towers planned in the Civic Center district too. Little Tokyo and Arts District have some nice highrises in the pipeline as well.
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There's several new towers planned in the Civic Center district too. Little Tokyo and Arts District have some nice highrises in the pipeline as well.

Wow, lots of coming in. Thanks for sharing.
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LA Planning Commission Tells Onni to Redesign its Massive Times Mirror Project
'I’m concerned that...time will kill this project,' Onni exec responds






BY GREG CORNFIELD
MAY 18, 2020


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The Los Angeles City Planning Commission (CPC) decided to delay their vote on Onni Group’s massive 1.51-million-square-foot Times Mirror project in the heart of downtown, and instead directed the firm to “fundamentally” change the project and design.

The Canadian firm has been one of the most active developers in Downtown L.A.’s redevelopment boom. The firm purchased the Times Mirror Square complex in 2016 for $120 million, and plans to add two towers to the city’s skyline in a prominent district adjacent to City Hall and other notable landmarks.

But CPC delayed their vote on the project until July 9 after commissioners lambasted the design, and said they were “troubled” with the lack of affordable housing and the plans for city allocation fees. They told Onni Group to come back with a plan that is completely different “that can stand out in our skyline.” Onni Group was not immediately available for comment.
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The proposed redevelopment would take up an entire city block on 3.6 acres at 121–147 South Spring Street. It calls for a 37-story “North Tower” and a 53-story “South Tower” with up to 1,127 residential units and almost 34,600 square feet of commercial space. The Times, Plant and Mirror Buildings — all listed in the California Register of Historical Resources — would be rehabilitated into 307,300 square feet of modern office space, and include a new 50,000-square-foot grocery store and 18,817-square-foot restaurant.
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Dale Goldsmith, representing Onni, pushed against the delay. He said the firm could work with the city to come up with a better design, and make other changes. But he said the project needed to advance because shutdowns stemming from the spreading coronavirus will “really hurt the project.” It’s “very possible” that if things get worse, the project could not be completed at all.

“The more time it takes, and the deeper we get into a recession, the more likely this project will not happen,” he said. “We’re reaching 25 percent unemployment. The COVID-related economic problems are going to hit this city and this country like a tidal wave, and the financing windows are getting narrower and narrower. And continuing to delay seriously jeopardizes this project and will deprive union workers of thousands and thousands of jobs.”

“There’s a saying that time kills all deals, and I’m concerned that with the circumstances that exist here today, time will kill this project,” he added.
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Commissioner Dana Perlman said they shouldn’t cede their responsibility, considering it is “one of the most significant parcels of property in the city of L.A.”

“Yes, Mr. Goldsmith, it is possible you may have financing that may dry up,” Perlman said. “It’s possible it may dry up regardless of what we do. It’s true, any delay could hurt the deal. However […] what’s best [for L.A.] is to make sure we have a design that really stands out.”
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Commissioner David Ambroz said any financial issues are “self-inflicted, and any delay is on Onni.

“I am not at all persuaded by their drama,” he said. “I think it’s an iconic piece of property that we get one chance at, and I think we should not miss that chance, and their financials are not a consideration that we should base this decision on solely. … This is a self-inflicted problem that they’ve created themselves to have zero units of affordable housing and architecture that belongs in Phoenix, not L.A.
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The development is being designed to accommodate either condominiums or rental units, but the current proposal does not include any affordable housing components. There are no requirements for affordable housing on the site, according to Commission President Samantha Millman, but commissioners expressed concern about no onsite affordable units.

“When I was looking at the project, my first thought was, ‘Who is this project for?’” Commissioner Karen Mack said. “Before COVID-19, our poverty rate in this city was 30 percent. Who knows what it’s going to be after we get through this crisis.”

She said that moving forward, CPC should think about how to evolve the city based on the handful of crises the city is facing, and “be thoughtful about how to build a city for everyone, not just for those who are wealthy.”
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Several commissioners said they wanted a design more interesting than a rectangular box.

“Especially because it’s a special site for L.A., I would really like to see the applicant go back and bring something that is completely different from what they’ve been doing, and something that can stand out in our skyline,” said Commissioner Caroline Choe. “The company really has an opportunity to define L.A. with the large projects they have going on.”

Perlman said he was very disappointed by the “uninspired” design for a project “that’s going to be in the center of our city on a very iconic block, and it’s so bland.” He said AC Martin — the project’s design firm — is behind many good projects, including some in L.A., but “this is not one of them.”

“These are rectangular blocks on top of rectangular blocks,” he said. “I keep seeing inspirational designs in modular housing or for permanent supportive housing, and then these market projects are just block skyscrapers. I don’t understand this.”

Ambroz said he loved the planned use, and what Onni has brought to the community through other investments and projects downtown. However, he was “exhausted with the banal architecture.” He said the design is like “every other Onni project downtown — a big rectangle in the sky.” He pushed to delay the vote so Onni can come back “with something, anything inspiring.”
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I actually agree with the planning commissioners here. The design for the building across the street is much better. This one has always been a bit meh in the design area. I love the programming, but something with some thought put into the finishes and how it relates to the Times-Mirror building would go a long way here. Doesn't have to get to the level of the Tribune project in Chicago, but that same design ethos could do wonders. Going with vertical design elements that evoke the vertical columns and buttresses of the original building would be a good place to start. The offset stacked boxes with the horizontal balcony elements just never cut it for me.
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Something that makes the project stand out, either in a distinctive design or more height. Developers aren't usually pressed on this, but I think it's appropriate here.
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I don't even think they need additional height (there's a slightly higher tower planned across the street), just a better design. The massing is nice, it's just the design implementation - especially the street level - that needs more thought, rigor, and context.
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The original design was cooler, good to know another high building could grace LA's skyline soon, it needs more desperately.
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The offset balconies are ugly. Los Angeles deserves a better plan for an entire city block of downtown.
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As requested, Onni has brought forth two redesign options, as posted on Urbanize. In my opinion, this is a nominal improvement, but an improvement nonetheless. Personally, I prefer Option 1, as the crowns would be different from the SCB-designed tower proposed across 2nd Street, though the materials they use in Option 1 on the crown will make or break it. In both cases, the improvement at the base is significant (especially if they use real limestone for those columns), and personally I think that the darker glass and black spandrel treatments are a better contrast with the limestone of the historic structures than the full blue glass (which lends some credence to the original William Pereira addition that is so vehemently hated within certain circles). I also think that the black spandrel panels make the balcony treatments slightly less busy within the overall "composition".

https://urbanize.la/post/two-design-...-redevelopment

Option 1

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Option 2

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Definitely an improvement but not a whole bunch, mostly a color change, same blocky looks, base is nicer, I accept it but it's still not all that unique. Why can't we have cool towers like Melbourne or London etc?
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Slight improvement. Guessing this is not what the city had in mind. Onni might need to pull the plug on using AC design.
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