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Old Posted Jun 17, 2020, 4:51 AM
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What does "letting China take control" mean?

Short of military action, which is obviously a terrible idea and something Canada cannot help with anyway, the only effective option would be international sanctions. But the most important player in the global system has abandoned it, so the rest of the world can't do a whole lot. Best we can all do is wait until November and see if things can be salvaged.
Means controlling who can pass thru the waters and what can be done in them. They've already put in bullshit fishing bans even though the waters are 800 to 1,000 miles from China. Last month they rammed a Vietnamese fishing boat and have fined Vietnamese boats for "illegal" fishing by stealing their equipment and their fish. Vietnam and the Philippines have complained about this. China's trying to force nations into their sphere of influence and if they don't they get punished.

You're wrong that the U.S. has abandoned this problem. It's the exact opposite actually. They've already done four of five freedom of navigation exercises in the area to show China that they will do what it takes to keep the lanes open for everyone.

Here's a story from late last month.

Tensions grow in the South China Sea between US and Chinese navy

The US Navy reminded China again, the South China Sea is open to navigation as it sent destroyer USS Barry 12 miles offshore of the disputed Paracel Islands.

https://www.king5.com/article/news/l...0-c05ecad2325f
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Old Posted Jun 17, 2020, 4:52 AM
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So they don't have control or any hope of it. Good.
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Old Posted Jun 17, 2020, 5:07 AM
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So they don't have control or any hope of it. Good.
Where are you getting that from? Did you read the story and watch the video?
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Old Posted Jun 17, 2020, 5:18 AM
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You haven't defined what control is and how China will take it, as you claimed they will. The USA will maintain complete military dominance of the area, there is no way for China to control it and nothing any other country can do to help that specific situation. So no point worrying about it.

The world can affect China in other non military ways, but with international cooperation so broken right now, with most of the blame for that laying at the hands of the two major powers, the rest of the world will have to figure it out without them. Unless at least one of those two countries decides to grow up and come back to the adults table.
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Old Posted Jun 17, 2020, 5:27 AM
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Sounds like something that isn't our problem, India can and should handle that themselves.
Really? Canada’s two largest sources of immigrants and you don’t think it might affect us. Better read up on the Air India disaster.
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Old Posted Jun 17, 2020, 5:36 AM
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Really? Canada’s two largest sources of immigrants and you don’t think it might affect us. Better read up on the Air India disaster.
Still not our problem or anything we could or should help with.
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Old Posted Jun 17, 2020, 8:18 PM
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Whatnext and the other jingoistic xenophobes actually think a war between India and China will spillover into immigrant communities in Vancouver :lol:

Newsflash: most Chinese and Indo-Canadians are just succeeding at being good Canadian citizens and are not proxies for their ancestral homeland.

Watch as he now posts some article about a money launderer as somehow that's the exception to prove the rule.
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Old Posted Jun 17, 2020, 8:19 PM
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Canada lost the UN seat.
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Old Posted Jun 17, 2020, 8:42 PM
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Canada lost the UN seat.
Good, we didn't deserve it in my opinion.
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Old Posted Jun 17, 2020, 8:56 PM
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Whatnext and the other jingoistic xenophobes actually think a war between India and China will spillover into immigrant communities in Vancouver :lol:

Newsflash: most Chinese and Indo-Canadians are just succeeding at being good Canadian citizens and are not proxies for their ancestral homeland.

Watch as he now posts some article about a money launderer as somehow that's the exception to prove the rule.
Drive-by ad hominem.
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Old Posted Jun 17, 2020, 9:05 PM
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Drive-by ad hominem.
Doesn't make a single word of it wrong though.
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Doesn't make a single word of it wrong though.
It does. Being anti-CCP doesn’t equate to xenophobia. No matter how many times you parrot the party line.
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Canada lost the UN seat.
No surprise, unfortunately.
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Old Posted Jun 18, 2020, 1:12 AM
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It pains me to say it but I don't think we have anything to offer the UN at this point. It's not 1950 after all...
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Old Posted Jun 18, 2020, 2:34 AM
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Canada lost the UN seat.
That's a shame. Imagine all the things we could have intimately discussed endlessly only to be vetoed when the vote comes. Now we are going to have to be a further 10 meters away in order to discuss things endlessly only to be vetoed when the vote comes.
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Old Posted Jun 18, 2020, 3:35 AM
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That's a shame. Imagine all the things we could have intimately discussed endlessly only to be vetoed when the vote comes. Now we are going to have to be a further 10 meters away in order to discuss things endlessly only to be vetoed when the vote comes.
All we would have done at that table is point to the US rep and say "what she said", and you know it!
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It does. Being anti-CCP doesn’t equate to xenophobia. No matter how many times you parrot the party line.
He implied that Canadian citizens of Chinese and Indian descent will somehow be beholden to their ancestral homelands due to a border skirmish? How is that not racist?
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Old Posted Jun 19, 2020, 4:55 AM
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Michael Kovrig and Michael Spavor have both been charged with state secrets charges, formally placing them into a Chinese justice system with a 99+% conviction rate. In serious matters, the charges against them can be punished with life in prison.

Source: https://twitter.com/nvanderklippe/st...32168725327872

China charges Michael Kovrig and Michael Spavor with espionage

Source: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/worl...r-with-spying/
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Old Posted Oct 20, 2020, 1:18 PM
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An astonishing day in Bolivia, with the resignation of Evo Morales.

Connection to this thread - Canada had announced that it would not recognize the election result if a second round were not held (this was before the OAS report confirming electoral fraud). The Canadian announcement itself was astonishing, although less so given our position on Venezuela's government.
I wonder how Canada will react now that Morales' party (he did not run) MAS defeated the CIA back coup in an election.

Pretty impressive that the people were able to fight back and force an election to happen, despite the best efforts of the right-wing coup.

CIA must be losing their touch...
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Old Posted Oct 20, 2020, 1:27 PM
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I wonder how Canada will react now that Morales' party (he did not run) MAS defeated the CIA back coup in an election.

Pretty impressive that the people were able to fight back and force an election to happen, despite the best efforts of the right-wing coup.

CIA must be losing their touch...
In theory, we should have no problem, assuming the elections are deemed free and fair. Historically (pace Venezuela), Canada recognizes States, not governments.
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