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Old Posted Dec 1, 2023, 2:29 PM
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I definitely understand your perspective.

Part of the challenge for me is I do think making Chateau into a neighborhood perceived as cool/valuable would help other nearby areas be perceived as cool/valuable, and all that would be good for a variety of public policy reasons.

But cool/valuable can take a lot of forms, and maybe in my ideal world Chateau's path would look different.

But on the third hand, I am not offering up over half of billion to fund an alternative approach.

We have discussions like this in some form all the time. Which is a good thing, I think. Because I think pushing to get the best local bang for the buck is important. But I also think we need to actually get the investments and reinvestments we need to be a healthy, thriving urban area.

So on the fourth hand--maybe there could be better steering of critical public funds, in ways that can help make private investors more comfortable about taking risks, doing things that would be more unique, doing things that would better leverage our existing history and topography and built environment and so on.

But that is a political question, and across multiple levels of government, and it might take a lot of work to get all those levels reoriented in a way that makes a critical difference.

And yet I would like to believe that reorientation will not only be possible, but inevitable . . . . eventually.

To me, the biggest failure for Pittsburgh development is how these developers "squat" on giant pieces of land. At this point we've seen it over and over. A company announces some overly ambitious development to "wow the crowd" (blue lagoon? ferris wheel? multiple 20+ story towers?). Then reality hits. It sits there for 5 years while they don't allow anyone to touch any part of it....because they must protect the grand plan. Then we get an update after year 5. The towers are now down to 1 or 2, and they're in the 5-10 story range. The lagoon is gone. They've dropped the renowned architect and dumbed down the designs. The land sits for another 5 years, untouched. We've now reached a decade with zero movement. You see these projects all over the city: Esplanade, Almono, Hill District, North Shore stadium areas.

There is a better way. You know what the average lifespan of a GOOD creative hospitality, nightlife or arts project is? Probably 5-10 years, and that's if it's a really good one. And these are projects that wouldn't take a lot of cash to get off the ground in the grand scheme of things. During this 10-year development "crawl", open your spaces and property to creative proposals. Set aside a small amount of budget to back these ideas. Put these places to work while you continue to work on the larger idea. Some of them will surely fizzle out, but there are probably 1 or 2 jewels that become city institutions. You never know where these things will go. And that's all super low-cost publicity and momentum for the area. Hell, something so amazing might organically grow out of it that they could gain a nationally recognized anchor to their future development by the time they're ready. The best part being that it is a home-grown project, not a national chain they blew time and money trying to lure. Something really unique.

You see this kind of stuff all the time in European cities like Berlin, Amsterdam and even London. But you also see it in the states, too. LA, Denver, a lot of western cities. They give people a runway to test ideas and keep the ones that succeed. The slow pace of Pittsburgh development is well-suited for this, and we have such a large pool of young people here with ideas to tap (but no money). Why the fixation on these giant, top-down development plans? It's not like our economy is exploding like a western boom town. Give Pittsburgh room to be Pittsburgh, get organic things happening quickly, and watch what happens while you figure out your ferris wheel!

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Old Posted Dec 1, 2023, 2:31 PM
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The real problem with Chateau is it's "hidden," rather than the individual structures. It's nearly impossible to walk into there by design from Manchester, with the only "pedestrian-friendly" intersection at Juniata. It's also nearly impossible to drive there by accident. Several times when I first lived in Pittsburgh I failed to get to the UPS facility until I finally figured out the insane road pattern.

But there are still some lovely older warehouse structures that survive from the pre urban renewal era along Preble Avenue. This one has seen some love recently. This has a ton of potential. So there are bones to work with.
While poorly connected for cars and pedestrians, don't overlook the bike trail running the whole length. 6 months out of the year, Roudabout brewery is packed to the gills with folks who biked down there, and it's basically just a pop-up situation with folding tables in a gravel lot. Imagine if someone put even a tiny bit more effort into things along the trail...
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Why the fixation on these giant, top-down development plans? It's not like our economy is exploding like a western boom town. Give Pittsburgh room to be Pittsburgh, get organic things happening quickly, and watch what happens while you figure out your ferris wheel!
I couldn't agree with you more. I think there is still a certain old mindset here that doesn't understand that Pittsburgh is actually inherently cool, it is incredibly fertile ground for your sort of vision, and we need to let it happen.
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The real problem with Chateau is it's "hidden," rather than the individual structures. It's nearly impossible to walk into there by design from Manchester, with the only "pedestrian-friendly" intersection at Juniata. It's also nearly impossible to drive there by accident. Several times when I first lived in Pittsburgh I failed to get to the UPS facility until I finally figured out the insane road pattern.

But there are still some lovely older warehouse structures that survive from the pre urban renewal era along Preble Avenue. This one has seen some love recently. This has a ton of potential. So there are bones to work with.
For fairly obvious reasons it sometimes feels to me like a Strip District in waiting. I agree about the connection challenge (although I also agree it is very bikeable). But maybe it less needs some big mega development as some sort of prominent public transportation link.

Being me, I will note it is easily close enough to Downtown for an aerial gondola link, which would be very inexpensive even with the river crossing.
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