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Old Posted Sep 22, 2020, 11:59 PM
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What are the patterns in Toronto and the rest of the canadian cities? Is there a significant difference between the murders in Toronto and Vancouver for example?

Also what are the hotspots for gun crime historically? Specific areas?
Judging from a map i saw, most shootings took place in downtown which came as a surprise to me .
Outside of the downtown, there is a higher than average concentration of gun crime in Northwestern Toronto, in the neighbourhoods of Mount Dennis, Weston, Rexdale and the Jane & Finch corridor.
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Missouri is having a rough year in general - Kansas City's murder rate has also exploded in 2020:

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Kansas City police have identified a child killed in a triple shooting there as a 1-year-old boy... The child’s death is the 148th homicide this year in Kansas City. At this time last year, 114 homicides had been recorded.
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2/8

Stockholm Metro (which is the best way to count honestly, and not limit it to questionable city borders) is now at 27 clear and another 10 or so pending.

The latest victim is a very tragic story. A 12 year old girl was hit by a stray bullet and died, after a drive-by shooting in the suburb municipality of Botkyrka.

Stockholm Metro total: 27 (11 from shootings)

Sweden total: 80 (24 from Shootings)
23/9

Sweden (pop 10.2 mil)
Estimated total: 110 (36 shootings)

Stockholm Metro (pop 2.3 mil)
Estimated total: 37 (17 shootings)

Within City limits (Pop 960.000)
Estimated total: 21 (11 shootings)
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23/9

Sweden (pop 10.2 mil)
Estimated total: 110 (36 shootings)

Stockholm Metro (pop 2.3 mil)
Estimated total: 37 (17 shootings)

Within City limits (Pop 960.000)
Estimated total: 21 (11 shootings)
Thanks for these stats.

Ottawa which has 1 million people in the city limits is at 7 I believe.

The metro area is smaller than Stockholm at about 1.5 million people.

The second-biggest city in Ottawa's metro is my own (Gatineau). We have about 285,000 people and 1-2 murders this year.

There have been 2-3 murders in other smaller places in the metro, so overall about 12 for 1.5 million people.

Montréal (2 million people) is at 23 for the year I think.
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Montréal (2 million people) is at 23 for the year I think.
Montreal is at 15 for the island (2 million people) so far this year. 21 if you include the entire metropolitan area (4.3 million people)
Quebec City is at 1 (800K people)
Quebec (the province) is at 39 (8.5 million people)

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An interesting graph that compares the homicide rates of the Canadian provinces :

SEPTEMBER 8, 2020
Canadian Provincial Homicide Rates, 2019 Versus Annualized 2020


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2020 Austin Metro Murders

| Austin 34 | Travis Co. 40 | Bastrop Co. 1 | Caldwell Co. 2 | Hays Co. 4 | Williamson Co. 5 | Metro 52 |

Causes metrowide
Shooting - 38
Stabbing - 6
Strangled - 0
Suffocation - 0
Throwing (of child) - 0
Beating - 1
Vehicular homicide - 0
Blunt force trauma - 1
Sharp force trauma - 0
Unlisted cause - 7
Domestic terrorism - 0

Austin totals
Downtown - 2
Central Austin - 1
East Austin - 9
North Austin - 3
Northeast Austin - 6
Northwest Austin - 0
South Austin - 7
Southeast Austin - 5
Southwest Austin - 0
West Austin - 1

Victims
Male - 36
Female - 11
Unlisted - 3

| Jan 6 | Feb 6 | Mar 9 | Apr 4 | May 5 | Jun 9 | Jul 5 | Aug 6 | Sep 3 | Oct 0 | Nov 0 | Dec 0 |

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| Mon 5 | Tue 9 | Wed 6 | Thur 8 | Fri 6 | Sat 10 | Sun 8 |

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Murder cases
Code:
1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/4-people-stabbed-in-attack-on-south-congress/?fbclid=IwAR30os7QA-0IUpsC8RxheTAXJFZLOl-57LO51A44-3OB4uD2-0v2DnSCON0 - 1/3 - Austin stabbing

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/one-injured-in-east-austin-shooting/ - 1/11 - Austin shooting

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/police-looking-for-suspect-in-east-austin-stabbing/?fbclid=IwAR2f4m_Is2jKFsQRwsEiJwMUyAlxUREKRTiWk0utxcyHTrQzeQjJcfVg0f8 - 1/17 - Austin stabbing

1 dead - http://www.austintexas.gov/news/homicide-5-0 - 1/19 - Austin blunt force trauma

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local-news/atcems-reporting-to-possible-east-austin-shooting-someone-possibly-dead/ - 1/20 - Austin shooting

1 dead - http://www.austintexas.gov/news/homicide-4-0 - 1/23 - Austin shooting

1 dead - https://www.statesman.com/news/20200202/2-dead-after-pflugerville-shooting-saturday-night-police-say?template=ampart - 2/1 - Pflugerville shooting

1 dead - http://www.austintexas.gov/news/homicide-6-0 - 2/17 - Austin shooting

1 dead - http://www.austintexas.gov/news/homicide-9-0 - 2/21 - Austin shooting

2 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/police-identify-third-suspect-in-northeast-austin-apartment-shooting/ - 2/25 - Austin shooting

1 dead - https://www.statesman.com/news/20200305/police-arrest-made-in-georgetown-missing-man-case?template=ampart - 2/25 - Georgetown unlisted cause

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/williamson-county/round-rock-teen-arrested-in-connection-with-fatal-shooting-of-17-year-old/ - 3/3 - Round Rock shooting

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/homicide-investigation-opened-after-male-victim-shot-dead-in-south-austin/ - 3/13 - Austin shooting

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/teen-shot-and-dropped-off-at-taylor-hospital-declared-dead-on-arrival-suspect-in-custody/ - 3/21 - Taylor shooting

1 dead - http://www.austintexas.gov/news/homicide-11-0 - 3/22 - Austin shooting

1 dead - https://www.statesman.com/news/20200325/man-dies-from-wounds-after-cedar-park-shooting-sunday?template=ampart - 3/25 - Cedar Park shooting

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/apd-investigating-homicide-in-north-austin/ - 3/26 - Austin stabbing

1 dead - http://www.austintexas.gov/news/homicide-13-0 - 3/27 - Austin body found with trauma

1 dead - https://www.statesman.com/news/20200329/overnight-man-killed-woman-injured-in-north-austin-shooting - 3/29 - Austin shooting

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/travis-county/authorities-investigating-report-of-shots-fired-in-pflugerville/ - 3/31 - Pflugerville shooting

1 dead - http://www.austintexas.gov/news/homicide-15-0 - 4/13 - Austin stabbing

1 dead - https://www.statesman.com/news/20200427/suspect-in-manchaca-womans-death-also-found-dead-authorities-say?template=ampart - 4/16 - Manchaca shooting

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/hays/san-marcos-police-urge-shelter-in-place-as-they-respond-to-incident/ - 4/18 - San Marcos shooting

1 dead - https://www.kvue.com/article/news/crime/downtown-austin-street-fight-turns-fatal/269-02712655-7a03-46a8-8a3f-2320a0966765 - 4/18 - Austin beating

1 dead - https://www.statesman.com/news/20200520/update-suspect-in-custody-after-fatal-pflugerville-shooting?template=ampart - 5/19 - Pflugerville shooting

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/bastrop-county/bastrop-county-sheriffs-office-investigating-homicide-outside-del-valle-grocery-store/ - 5/24 - Del Valle shooting

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/travis-county/woman-pronounced-dead-at-scene-of-shooting-in-pflugerville/ - 5/26 - Pflugerville shooting

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/man-dead-in-shooting-at-east-austin-apartment-complex/ - 5/28 - Austin shooting

1 dead - https://www.statesman.com/news/20200917/man-charged-in-fatal-san-marcos-shooting-turns-himself-in-officials-say?template=ampart - 5/30 - San Marcos shooting

2 dead - https://www.kvue.com/article/news/crime/caldwell-county-community-heartbroken-shooting-victims-luling-cousins/269-fe416567-31dc-4d4c-b5be-2a4954eb40db?fbclid=IwAR1turRK-yslvb0e8a9cAuoOU0y6jCoSzkFJGbWjKCsKDchIwgkqS4Ue4es - 6/14 - Luling shooting

1 dead - https://www.statesman.com/news/20200620/austin-police-respond-to-two-homicides-within-hours-of-each-other?template=ampart - 6/20 - Austin shooting

1 dead - https://www.statesman.com/news/20200620/austin-police-respond-to-two-homicides-within-hours-of-each-other?template=ampart - 6/20 - Austin shooting

1 dead - https://www.statesman.com/news/20200701/ice-cream-vendor-shot-in-north-austin-robbery-has-died-police-say?template=ampart - 6/23 - Austin shooting

1 dead - https://www.statesman.com/news/20200806/2-arrested-in-connection-with-death-of-missing-round-rock-man-police-say?template=ampart - 6/24 - Body found - Travis County

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/suspect-arrested-in-connection-with-east-austin-homicide/ - 6/24 - Austin shooting

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/police-investigating-homicide-after-person-shot-dead-in-east-austin/ - 6/28 - Austin shooting

1 dead - http://www.austintexas.gov/news/homicide-23-0 - 7/8 - Austin stabbing

1 dead - https://www.kvue.com/article/news/local/homcide-investigation-southeast-austin-wickersham/269-24ca5a01-c656-4a86-913d-24c46395ff19?fbclid=IwAR0YyjMxlhLLtz3hO2stCxQ4E9EdAMKcR37zX8-XQc2-12294WCmIWHaKag - 7/13 - Austin shooting

1 dead - http://www.austintexas.gov/news/homicide-25-0 - 7/16 - Austin shooting

1 dead - http://www.austintexas.gov/news/homicide-26-0 - 7/19 - Austin shooting 

1 dead - http://www.austintexas.gov/news/homicide-27-1 - 7/20 - Austin shooting

1 dead - http://www.austintexas.gov/news/homicide-29-0 - 8/18 - body found - Austin

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/police-one-person-shot-in-east-austin/ - 8/22 - Austin shooting

1 dead - http://www.austintexas.gov/news/homicide-33-0 - 8/26 - Austin shooting

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/apd-investigating-fatal-shooting-in-downtown-austin/ - 8/27 - Austin shooting

2 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/deputies-man-2-children-found-dead-outside-san-marcos-home/ - 8/27 - Hays County shooting

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/crime/austin-police-investigating-death-in-south-austin/ - 9/4 - Austin shooting

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/apd-investigating-suspicious-death-in-south-austin-providing-more-details-at-9-a-m-briefing/ - 9/16 - Austin shooting

1 dead - https://www.statesman.com/news/20200925/round-rock-police-investigating-manrsquos-stabbing-death - Round Rock stabbing - 9/25
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Pending cases

Code:
1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/police-investigating-body-found-near-taco-shack-in-northwest-austin/ - 2/29 - body found - Austin

1 dead - https://www.statesman.com/news/20200311/manrsquos-body-found-on-conveyor-belt-at-recycling-plant-in-travis-county?template=ampart - 3/11 - body found - Austin

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/body-found-outside-texas-workforce-commission/ - 4/6 - Austin body found

1 dead - https://www.statesman.com/news/20200418/body-found-behind-h-e-b-store-in-round-rock-police-say?template=ampart - 4/18 - Round Rock - body found

1 dead - https://www.kvue.com/article/news/local/manchaca-body-found-homicide-investigation-janice-hughes/269-c1872dc9-e085-4752-a759-473ebc9ad239?fbclid=IwAR2Bs8NV2YaYn9T0LgjH5JoS2-g1_l7KB4e935ziMKvSTUOnI80oMgHh1Xs - 4/16 - Manchaca - body found

1 dead - https://www.statesman.com/news/20200521/just-in-body-found-near-homeless-camp-in-northeastern-travis-county-officials-say?template=ampart - 5/21 - body found - Austin

1 dead - https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/austin-police-investigating-death-in-southeast-austin-neighborhood/?fbclid=IwAR1y85EHiYB1w1f0ooGd-vsfM0d1Kw5VE9kkeEsBENTdG-GTUbk4zInyf8U - 826 - Austin suspicious death

1 dead - https://www.statesman.com/news/20200928/cedar-park-police-searching-for-information-on-man-found-dead - body found - Austin - 9/28
Austin area population

City: 964,254 (July 1, 2018 estimate) - source: US Census Bureau
Travis County: 1,273,954 (July 1, 2019 estimate) - source: US Census Bureau
Metro: 2,227,083 (July 1, 2019 estimate) - source: US Census Bureau

Area - City: 297 square miles (2010) - US Census Bureau
Area - Metro: 4,285 square miles - Wikipedia
Area - Travis County: 1,023 square miles - Wikipedia

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Montreal is at 15 for the island (2 million people) so far this year. 21 if you include the entire metropolitan area (4.3 million people)
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Sorry, you're right.

I thought I heard a media report about the 23rd murder in Montreal. That's really weird.

Normally media reports always say "on the territory covered by the SPVM", which is the the city proper police that patrols the whole island - city proper plus some suburban cities. With 2 million people.

Of course you already know. Posting for the info of others.
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The new FBI Uniform Crime Report for 2019 has been released:

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s...-the-u.s.-2019

Murders by state:

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s...tables/table-5

And metro areas/cities:

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s...tables/table-6

And cities within states:

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s...ble-8.xls/view

Map:



Statistics Canada still hasn't released official numbers for 2019, surprisingly.
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Interesting to compare two of the posts above: US states vs. Canadian provinces.

I always believed that most anywhere in Canada was safer than most anywhere in the U.S. I don't think that anymore and haven't for a while. Though many people still do.

All that being said, the numbers for Canadian provinces are worth looking at, relative to U.S. states.

Note that NS (Nova Scotia) is a huge outlier due to the mass shooting that took place this spring. Normally its homicide rate is very, very low. MB (Manitoba) and SK (Saskatchewan) do tend to be on the high side and their rates are not the result of single mass murder incidents.
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^^ IL seems low. does the state murder rate include Chicago? it's not included in the city murder rates (as usual) because of their conveniently non-FBI-compliant reporting.
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Interesting that SK and MB both have higher homicide rates than the northern US states they border or are close to.
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Interesting that SK and MB both have higher homicide rates than the northern US states they border or are close to.
The Northern border of the U.S. is the Southern most habitable area for Canada, so makes sense that population and thus homicides are concentrated there. Without getting into race arguments, Manitoba and Sask feature the urban areas with the highest proportion of Canada's most marginalized people, that being Native Americans. Montana and North Dakota feature little of America's historically marginalized groups.
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^^ IL seems low. does the state murder rate include Chicago? it's not included in the city murder rates (as usual) because of their conveniently non-FBI-compliant reporting.
I believe chicago's numbers are included in that state-wide tally.

For 2018, there were 884 homicides in illinois, and with a population of 12.7 million, that's a rate of 6.9 per 100K.

2019 saw a homicide drop, so 6.6 per 100K seems very plausible.


2020 will of course be a different story as homicides are up nearly 50% YOY so far in Chicago, and chicago has the lion's share of the IL's homicides.

The city of chicago typically has ~60% of the state's homicides, but only ~20% of the state's population.

Sections of Chicago are EXTREMELY violent. the rest of the state, not so much.
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I believe chicago's numbers are included in that state-wide tally.

For 2018, there were 884 homicides in illinois, and with a population of 12.7 million, that's a rate of 6.9 per 100K.

2019 saw a homicide drop, so 6.6 per 100K seems very plausible.


2020 will of course be a different story as homicides are up nearly 50% YOY so far in Chicago, and chicago has the lion's share of the IL's homicides.

The city of chicago typically has ~60% of the state's homicides, but only ~20% of the state's population.

Sections of Chicago are EXTREMELY violent. the rest of the state, not so much.
^ ok, thanks. i don't understand why the Chicago numbers can be massaged into the FBI's state-wide stats but can't be worked into the city reports.

also, East St. Louis, IL, is EXTREMELY violent (WAY above the national average) with ~96 murders/100,000 people: https://www.bnd.com/news/local/crime...229183394.html. i suspect some of the surrounding communities are relatively high as well.

ya'll do love to forget about the south end of your state.
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The Northern border of the U.S. is the Southern most habitable area for Canada, so makes sense that population and thus homicides are concentrated there. Without getting into race arguments, Manitoba and Sask feature the urban areas with the highest proportion of Canada's most marginalized people, that being Native Americans. Montana and North Dakota feature little of America's historically marginalized groups.
I suppose but

Montana 8% Native American
north Dakota 7%
south dakota 10%

sask 16%
Manitoba 18%
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I suppose but

Montana 8% Native American
north Dakota 7%
south dakota 10%

sask 16%
Manitoba 18%
Correct though as suburbanite said, in the case of MB and SK, there are large urban indigenous populations.

Winnipeg in particular is probably the only major Canadian city where you have a part of the city that has ghetto-style blight and is populated by a minority group socio-economically much worse off than the majority.
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also, East St. Louis, IL, is EXTREMELY violent (WAY above the national average) with ~96 murders/100,000 people: https://www.bnd.com/news/local/crime...229183394.html.
ESL is absolutely another pocket of terrible violence in IL, but relative to chicago, it's a tiny little pocket.

ESL might have a homicide rate approaching 100 per 100K, but ESL is only ~25,000 people, so that puts the raw number of annual homicides at around 25.

that's certainly not insignificant, but it's also not a huge needle-mover statewide, like chicago is.
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ESL is absolutely another pocket of terrible violence in IL, but relative to chicago, it's a tiny little pocket.

ESL might have a homicide rate approaching 100 per 100K, but ESL is only ~25,000 people, so that puts the raw number of annual homicides at around 25.

that's certainly not insignificant, but it's also not a huge needle-mover statewide, like chicago is.
Very true, although I think East St. Louis has sadly had more than 25 murders this year already.
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ESL might have a homicide rate approaching 100 per 100K, but ESL is only ~25,000 people, so that puts the raw number of annual homicides at around 25.
sure, just saying the rest of the state isn't devoid of extreme violence.

so 12 million in IL with ~10 million of that in Chicago metro and ~0.5 million in the metro east leaves ~1.5 million spread throughout the rest of the state. the low-violence areas must be in the middle.

according to the article i linked, ESTL had 458 murders from 2000 to 2018 so ~24/year on average.
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sure, just saying the rest of the state isn't devoid of extreme violence.

so 12 million in IL with ~10 million of that in Chicago metro and ~0.5 million in the metro east leaves ~1.5 million spread throughout the rest of the state. the low-violence areas must be in the middle.

according to the article i linked, ESTL had 458 murders from 2000 to 2018 so ~24/year on average.
Eh, Peoria, Decatur and Danville are not exactly bastions of safety. The Chicago metro by virtue of its size has both the most violent and most peaceful parts of the state.

It’s the North and Northwest sides of Chicago, and the Northern and Western Chicago suburbs where violence is almost unheard of. To put in perspective, you have a stretch of neighborhoods in Chicago with a population larger than the city of St. Louis with almost zero homicides. Meanwhile their counterparts in Englewood have daily gun battles.

This year is similar to 2016 rates

http://www.chicagonow.com/getting-re...omicide-rates/

2020 rates as of July 29

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