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Elon Musk’s $49 Million Las Vegas Loop Makes Perfect Sense—for Las Vegas

https://www.citylab.com/transportati...c-cars/590287/

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- The Boring Company will develop an underground “people mover” for the Las Vegas Convention Center that’s more marketing flash than public transit. — Last week, the Boring Company won a $48.6 million bid to design and build a “people mover” beneath the Las Vegas Convention Center. The payout represents the first actual contract for Tesla CEO Elon Musk’s tunneling venture. And Las Vegas, a tourist city that wants to be seen as a technology hub, will get a new mobility attraction with the imprimatur of America’s leading disruptor.

- But the Boring Company won’t exactly be delivering “new” technology when it opens the “LVCC Loop.” To interconnect the sprawling convention center campus, which attracts 1.4 million visitors a year to confabs like the Consumer Electronics Showcase, it will dig a pair of concrete tunnels, 12 feet in diameter and less than a mile long. The asphalt-paved tubes will be just wide enough for a single vehicle to drive down. (There will be three stations, as well as a short pedestrian tunnel.)

- This is not the futuristic system of electric car-sleds that Musk once proposed for Los Angeles and Chicago, let alone a frictionless hyperloop. Instead, Las Vegas is getting a permutation of two well-known existing technologies: 1) cars, and 2) tunnels. (Asked to explain his scaled-back ambitions on Twitter, Musk responded: “This is simple and just works.”) Remove the mercurial inventor-tycoon from the equation, and you’ve got a fairly rudimentary project. — Musk claims that his Boring Company does innovate in one very important way: It is capable of digging tunnels cheaper than just about anyone else.

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This is another Musk fraud-job. Making the thing ADA compliant precludes the use of off-the-shelf Tesla automobiles.
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HYPE-err-Loop! 700 MPH Cleveland-Chicago Train Actually Gets Taxpayer Cash

https://usa.streetsblog.org/2019/07/...taxpayer-cash/

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- If a 28-minute ride between Chicago and Cleveland at the speed of sound seems too good to be true, well then you’re not dreaming big enough. Or fast and long enough. The Great Lakes Hyperloop System took one step closer to the Jetsons acid trip it was conceived from last month when the U.S. House of Representatives somehow set aside $5 million for the federal Department of Transportation to determine whether the futuristic transit system is safe to use, how it will affect the environment, and what regulatory obstacles exist. The provision to examine hyperloops, a raised vacuum tube designed to shoot two dozen souls in levitating magnetic capsule at 700 miles per hour, was included in the House’s $87-billion budget bill late last month. The budget bill will now move onto the Senate.

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Hyperloop: How It Could Join With Electric Planes and Cars in Just 5 Years

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- Hyperloop could start to form an interconnected mesh of electric cars and flying machines in just five years’ time, with the famously difficult-to-achieve vacuum-sealed tube whizzing pods across flat landscapes to provide an alternative to the jet engine. Not only would it work, one industry expert claims, but a track could emerge within a decade. Thierry Marin-Martinod, aerospace and defense chief technology officer for Switzerland-based TE Connectivity, tells Inverse that “we should see a project” in “best case, five, less than eight years.” — This hyperloop project, Marin-Martinod explains, will probably emerge where it makes most geographic sense. Building a tube along a flat, empty land is easier than snaking around or through mountains and hills. A plane can cruise at nearly 600 mph, and many of its routes will continue simply because a hyperloop could not traverse those same terrains. The same applies to cars that only need a road, and trains that don’t require any vacuum-sealed tubes.

- Marin-Martinod does not expect full-size electric jets for another 20 years, with smaller single-passenger designs taking to the skies in the next few years. Hyperloop could bridge the gap before that point. Another area where hyperloop could win is on multi-modal transport. Planes require the passenger to queue for hours in security, taking their shoes off and sometimes going through a body scanner. Instead of the hours taken at either end, hyperloop could connect with and enable seamless switching between other modes of transport. It’s akin to how the Channel Tunnel between the United Kingdom and France loads cars onto a giant train, then moves that train through the tunnel. — Audi and Airbus have designed a pod capable of linking to ground, air, and hyperloop forms of transport without the passenger ever leaving the pod. Where could the first track go? The biggest decider could be money. Marin-Martinod suggests China and countries in the Middle East could have the finances to support an initial track.

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How much of the construction savings are due to the much smaller diameter? He's a prick, but if he manages to build railway-sized tunnels for a fraction of the cost this could indeed be game-changing. Of course I don't think his ego would let him do just that.
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The Chicago failure is trash. Elon Musk failed to bring an airport express to the citizens. Now, Chicago will never pony up for conventional tunnel/rail to the airport because of this. So sad, it had so much promise for other cities like NYC too.

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It's never, ever going to exist. It's just another Silicon Valley scam.
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What will hyperloop look like in India?

https://www.virgin.com/news/what-wil...oop-look-india

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It's never, ever going to exist. It's just another Silicon Valley scam.
Sure. That's just your opinion, man. Got any evidence to back that up? Your anti-Musk bias is showing.


I'm ignoring all your posts until you provide solid proof of your nay saying, otherwise it's just nonsensical ranting and hate against Musk and Hyperloop.

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I didn't see any of that evidence to back up those declarative statements of certain doom you made about hyperloop. Well, not surprising that you didn't reply since you probably don't have any.
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I am glad the world has Elon Musk and his vision of a better tomorrow. Beats the useless nihilism of well...
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How much of the construction savings are due to the much smaller diameter? He's a prick, but if he manages to build railway-sized tunnels for a fraction of the cost this could indeed be game-changing. Of course I don't think his ego would let him do just that.
This is a lot of it, but the main reason the tunnel diameters can be smaller is because they're using linear induction motors, which are flatter than normal rotary motors.

The thing is though, is this has already been around for decades. It's especially popular with Japanese and Chinese subway systems, and also the Vancouver Skytrain and some other systems around the world.

It's also the same type of motor used in maglevs, so presumably any maglev would have the same benefit, "hyperloop" or not.

Here's the Japanese wikipedia page about them: https://translate.googleusercontent....82%AB%E3%83%BC
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Questioning the hype around the Cleveland-Chicago Hyperloop

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- The planning and hype have gotten way ahead of the technology. The Hyperloop, which has constructed a 300-meter test track in Toulouse, France, still has not demonstrated it would be safe or comfortable for human passengers. Nor has the company shown that it can reach its speeds anywhere near what it advertises. Despite what a feasibility study would suggest, this whole concept is a long way from shovel ready. --- Nevertheless, the analysis funded in part by NOACA found that it would cost about $30 billion to construct a 600-mile Hyperloop system from Cleveland to Chicago — much more if the right-of-way needed to be assembled. But even at that price tag the economic development benefits for the region would be more than that, the thinly-sourced study concluded.

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Elon Musk’s tunnels could fix congestion. But not in the way you’d expect

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- Details are hazy, but Musk’s plans involve driving a high-speed Tesla underground to escape surface-level traffic. Except the tunnels in their current form are too narrow to allow more than one car—even if the journey time is only a matter of minutes, entering and exiting the vehicles is likely to introduce significant congestion. --- One solution involves making the tunnels so prohibitively expensive that most people will not be able to use them. But as anyone who has ever watched TSA PreCheckers glide past the airport security line knows, you don’t fix congestion writ large by allowing a small number of wealthy people to circumvent the system.

- To really ease traffic, Musk needs to find an option that moves people away from their cars entirely, instead of just speeding up part of their journey. Tunnels can be part of that, as they are in cities such as London, Stockholm, and Berlin. The other part, and what America needs, is more underground rail. --- This is actually good news for the Boring Company, if not necessarily for Tesla devotees. Musk could fix congestion with tunnels—if he used his technology, which could massively reduce the cost of tunnel-building, to establish better underground rail. He would need to make some alterations—a significant part of the current savings come from having much smaller tunnels—but the basic technology is ripe for repurposing.

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Elon Musk’s tunnels could fix congestion. But not in the way you’d expect

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That's why I think the technology has legs. Not for the private for-profit express roads he had envisioned but making subway/mass transit much more affordable and quicker to build we can get WAY more people onto mass transit...
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That's why I think the technology has legs. Not for the private for-profit express roads he had envisioned but making subway/mass transit much more affordable and quicker to build we can get WAY more people onto mass transit...
Exactly. Building infrastructure for private/individual property is not the way to go for the future...
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Exactly. Building infrastructure for private/individual property is not the way to go for the future...
The coming economic reckoning will make sure of that... When you have a generation that has been shut out of the "American Dream" and a record amount of debt (be it student, personal finance, real estate, etc) look out. It's gonna come back to bite you soon enough
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Only if he provides a cheaper and faster way to tunnel.
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Exactly. Building infrastructure for private/individual property is not the way to go for the future...
So water lines that serve private homes is a no no? Toll roads for private cars is a no no? What kind of logic is this?

The headline "Elon Musk’s tunnels could fix congestion. But not in the way you’d expect" is so predictable the conclusion of the article was going to be use it for rail.
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