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Old Posted Mar 8, 2021, 1:03 AM
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8-stories and incorporating the existing buildings? I'm all for it! As a Dundas resident, having more people living and shopping downtown would be huge for the town
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8-stories and incorporating the existing buildings? I'm all for it! As a Dundas resident, having more people living and shopping downtown would be huge for the town
Eight storeys in addition to the the facades of the two that already exist.

So 10 storeys in all.

From F&F, an outfit that has never completed a new build of any scale.

In a town whose population has increased by roughly 1,000 residents over the last 25 years.

It will be in good company, at least.

The F&F proposal will join the Hatt-adjacent 9-storey Centurion tower approved for 71 Main, across from Dundas Town Hall.
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Update on 71 Main:


Dundas 71 Main St. proposed development site undergoes stage 3 archeological assessment
Potential for both Indigenous and 19th century Euro-Canadian archeological sites


Craig Campbell
Dundas Star News
Monday, April 12, 2021

https://www.hamiltonnews.com/news-st...al-assessment/

A stage 3 archeological assessment at the site of a controversial, proposed nine-storey, 64-unit residential building at 71 Main St. was underway by Friday, April 9, as the property’s owner continued an effort to fulfil various conditions for final site plan approval.

Completing all archeological assessments, up to a possible stage 4 excavation to mitigate the impacts of development, is one of the conditions of final site plan approval. Once final site plan approval is granted, a building permit can be applied for.

City of Hamilton spokesperson Michelle Williams said the requirement for a stage 3 archeological assessment was identified in the April 24, 2020 stage 2 review.

Although the stage 2 report was not available by deadline, the stage 1 report completed by Oakville’s Archaeological Assessments Ltd. in December 2013 concluded the second stage had to be completed before any development could occur.

“The subject property has some potential for both Aboriginal and 19th century Euro-Canadian archeological sites,” the stage one report stated.

According to the report, 71 Main’s long history of occupation, and location within one of the oldest areas of the Town of Dundas creates a quite high potential for deeply buried Euro-Canadian archeological deposits.

“The subject property does contain some potentially undisturbed areas and therefore does have some potential for pre-contact archeological deposits,” the report states.

David Horwood, president of property owner Centurion (Dundas) Holdings Ltd and Effort Trust, said the company continues to make progress on clearing site plan approval conditions, after successfully fighting an Ontario Municipal Board appeal of the City of Hamilton’s rezoning three years ago.

Horwood said he would share more concrete information after writing to his tenants — apparently at neighbouring 75 Main St.

Planning consultant Matt Johnston of Urban Solutions and a broad team of consultants are actively working with city staff to clear conditions.

“Once that milestone is complete, the building permit application can be submitted,” Johnston said. “Current activity on the site relates to the team working to clear these conditions of approval.”

Williams did not say what other conditions remain for site plan approval.

“The applicant made a resubmission at the end of December 2020 to clear site plan conditions,” Williams said. “Staff have responded to the resubmission with comments identifying revisions required to obtain final site plan clearance.”

Williams said the city’s building department submitted zoning review comments to planning staff in January 2021, but she did not provide any further details.

In July 2020, City of Hamilton staff said the development proposal, including a 29-metre tall building where the previous zoning permitted a maximum of 16-meters, had received conditional site plan approval in June 2017 but no submissions had been made to clear any of the conditions.

The conditional approval was set to expire in June 2018 but Centurion applied for, and received, an extension to June 8, 2021.
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Old Posted Jun 28, 2021, 6:02 PM
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History marches on.

Rename Dundas Street, Yonge-Dundas Square, says city staff report
(Toronto Star, Jennifer Pagliaro, June 28 2021)

Dundas Street, Yonge-Dundas Square and more could be renamed within the year, with city staff recommending a process to strip the late Scottish lawyer’s name from public property.

The report, released Monday morning, will be considered by Mayor John Tory’s executive committee on July 6. A final decision will be made at council later that month.

In a strongly worded statement, Tory said he supported “carefully renaming” Dundas Street and other landmarks, including public parks that bear the name of Henry Dundas, a man said to have slowed the end of the slave trade and participated in the colonial structures that harmed Indigenous peoples.

“This is a moment in time when it is important to make a statement to the entire community about including those who have been marginalized and recognizing the significant effect past history can have on present day lives.”

Tory said the renaming is not “erasing history” — countering critics who have pushed back against the removing of statues, plaques and other colonial monuments.

“By proceeding with this change, we are sending a strong message as a city about who we collectively honour and remember in public spaces and we are reaffirming our commitment to addressing anti-Black racism and reconciliation with the Indigenous communities.”

The total cost of the renaming process, according to city staff, is estimated to be between $5.1 million and $6.3 million. Funding has not yet been identified.


City of Toronto backgrounder here.

More Tory:

"An objective reading of the history, the significance of this street which crosses our city, the fact Mr. Dundas had virtually no connection to Toronto and most importantly, our strong commitment to equity, inclusion and reconciliation make this a unique and symbolically important change."
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Old Posted Jun 28, 2021, 8:53 PM
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What was a waste of money. If you actually care, put that $5 million into projects that actually help black/Indigenous people. But I guess it's easier to virtue-signal and appease to the crowd for votes.
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What was a waste of money. If you actually care, put that $5 million into projects that actually help black/Indigenous people. But I guess it's easier to virtue-signal and appease to the crowd for votes.
Some governments can multitask. And FWIW, Toronto also seems to have the fiscal capacity:

City Council approved a 2020 tax and rate combined operating budget of $13.5 billion and a 10-year capital budget and plan of $43.4 billion.

In that context, $5 million isn't even a rounding error.
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Whither Dundas, the Valley Town? It was named for the same person (or at least after the military road between the Thames and Cootes Paradise that was named for the same person, according to that source)

But it's worth noting that there's an entire Scottish clan of that name, and a Dundas Castle built far before Henry was a glimmer in his parents' eyes, in a region that bore the Gaelic version of the name since at least the 11th century.

I get that the moniker is associated with someone of controversial legacy, but there's more to it. I guess the road being named for the man is enough for the staff and mayor, but I always thought the street in Toronto was named because it led to the town... are they aware of the nuances of the bigger picture?

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Just a note but this would only apply to Dundas Street in the City of Toronto and other Dundas named Items, in Toronto, such as Dundas Square and Dundas TTC Station / Dundas West TTC Station.

Dundas Street through Mississauga, Oakville, Burlington, and Hamilton will remain, as will the town of Dundas.
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Just a note but this would only apply to Dundas Street in the City of Toronto and other Dundas named Items, in Toronto, such as Dundas Square and Dundas TTC Station / Dundas West TTC Station.

Dundas Street through Mississauga, Oakville, Burlington, and Hamilton will remain, as will the town of Dundas.
Yes, but how long before the outcries echo to the west
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Some governments can multitask. And FWIW, Toronto also seems to have the fiscal capacity:

City Council approved a 2020 tax and rate combined operating budget of $13.5 billion and a 10-year capital budget and plan of $43.4 billion.

In that context, $5 million isn't even a rounding error.
Honestly, it just doesn't make sense to me either. Nearly every street or place is named after people who did bad things when compared to the expectations of today.

Even Brant country, Brant Street and Brantford and the Museum of Joseph Brant are named and focus on the indigenous man who has a similarly marred past.
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… it's worth noting that there's an entire Scottish clan of that name, and a Dundas Castle built far before Henry was a glimmer in his parents' eyes, in a region that bore the Gaelic version of the name since at least the 11th century.
And Hamilton could be named after Alexander Hamilton, who was on Earth before George Hamilton, or the Scottish clan, or the Leicestershire suburb.

And Ryerson University could have sold naming rights to the American metals firm.

It just depends how you look at things.

The Dundas rebrand is a more meaningful move in Toronto, by many measures the most diverse metropolitan area on the planet, than in Dundas, the second whitest community in the GTHA (whitest if your formulation of GTHA doesn't include Grimsby). The political calculus between the two places is also very different. Here, the town is given to the battle cry of "Dundas Forever," though the odds are extremely good that the majority of its residents even now are ignorant of the origins of the name.
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I highly doubt many Torontonians, no matter their ethnicity, actually care it's called "Dundas". For example, I can't imagine a family that recently moved here from the middle-east, Africa, etc. is going to be offended by the name of a road.

If anything I feel like these moves are usually more instigated by the woke middle-class white folks looking to virtue signal at every opportunity.

(Also, glad to see people are having a civilized conversation about this. These topics can get a little messy at times.)
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I highly doubt many Torontonians, no matter their ethnicity, actually care it's called "Dundas".
Which is why the change, supported today by a mayor who was once the former leader of the Ontario PCs, may face little council opposition.
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Even Brant country, Brant Street and Brantford and the Museum of Joseph Brant are named and focus on the indigenous man who has a similarly marred past.
I take your point, but that's a considerable stretch, to put it mildly.
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Which is why the change, supported today by a mayor who was once the former leader of the Ontario PCs, may face little council opposition.
I meant they don't care who it's named after. The name "Dundas" (eg. street, square) is iconic in Toronto so changing it will likely bother people. Also why does it matter he was leader of the PCs...?
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I take your point, but that's a considerable stretch, to put it mildly.
I don't think that it is. 50 years ago, renaming Ryerson would have seemed silly. 50 years from now what will be silly today, that my grandkids will be arguing should be taken seriously.
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I meant they don't care who it's named after. The name "Dundas" (eg. street, square) is iconic in Toronto so changing it will likely bother people. Also why does it matter he was leader of the PCs...?
If it’s a huge deal then obviously there will be pushback, but it seems to have solid support.

Tory’s partisan past was involved partly as a joke about PC culture and partly as a counterpoint to the “woke whites” narrative. The party of “stale, pale, male” is not exactly packed with SJWs.
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I don't think that it is. 50 years ago, renaming Ryerson would have seemed silly. 50 years from now what will be silly today, that my grandkids will be arguing should be taken seriously.
Your comment about Brant having “a similarly marred past” to Dundas was missing the bit about “from the perspective of people living 50 years hence”, though I still see it as a rhetorical contortion.
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I don't know if there's a thread for this. Didn't see one in the Suburbs section, but this has been an ongoing saga...


Dundas 24 Brock St. N. development proposal 'imminent': realtor
City says it has not received site plan review application


https://www.thespec.com/local-dundas...t-realtor.html

Craig Campbell
Dundas Star News via The Spec
Fri., April 1, 2022

A realtor selling units in a possible future residential development at 24 Brock St. N. said March 22 a planning application to the City of Hamilton is “imminent” and the owner hopes to move the vision forward.

Michael St. Jean said late last year pre-sales had been successful, financing arranged, and consultants being retained to start work on site plan approval conditions.

St. Jean did not say if sale agreements have a tentative or firm occupancy date.

It is difficult to predict how long any site plan approval process might take.

The property has several potential site-specific development challenges — including a Niagara Escarpment slope, and nearby CN Rail tracks. With no development application, the city and those organizations can’t say what might be required for approval.

New rules recently announced by the province of Ontario could toughen penalties on developers who try to charge pre-construction buyers more.

City of Hamilton spokesperson Ava Van Heerden confirmed March 21 planning staff had not received a site plan application for 24 Brock St. N., so studies, reports and agreements required for site plan review prior to applying for a building permit, are not set.

The property was rezoned in 2019 to permit a maximum four-storey, 51-unit, 14-metre high residential building.

Andrew Donnachie of the province’s new home warranty organization Tarion said North Brock Street Holdings is approved by Tarion to sell units at 24 Brock St. N.

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Found via Google: "Dundas 24 Brock St. N skyscraper forum"
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