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Old Posted Apr 24, 2021, 11:03 PM
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The louvers and blow through floors have received a good bit of comments over the last year or so, with debates on them being appropriate or not. I don't recall seeing a lot of comments though on the unremarkable nature of the base of the building. I think initial concepts for the building had a more grand gesture, similar to what was called for in the original master plan for this site (a gateway element of sorts visually connecting the Lakeshore East Park with river). Not sure that was ever going to be the right solution, but in my opinion the base of the building is completely unremarkable from the pedestrian experience side. Yes, one can look up and experience the delightful massing of the building, but once you look forward again, there is little in the way of upgraded details/materials/pedestrian space. This is not an office building, granted, where the omission of an upgraded pedestrian experience on an iconic tower would be almost criminal, but even so, it may be the uninspired and under improved base of the building that ultimately captures the most criticism when the building is complete and not the louvers or blow through floors. I am surprised this has not been discussed or called out more (if it has, I missed it, and my apologies for missing the discussion!).
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Old Posted Apr 28, 2021, 12:49 PM
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^ I respectfully disagree. The frustum-filled "bump out" on Wacker is magic to the eye, not to mention the base is still a work in progress, so judgement should be reserved. Do you feel the base lacks grandeur for a tower of this size?


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Old Posted Apr 28, 2021, 3:23 PM
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Yeah the base is great, especially compared to the other Lakeshore East buildings that just hit the ground with a dull thud. The landscaping details are elegant and subtle, I love little touches like the portal around the garage entrance, or the lights that wash the tops of the columns. I love that the drive lanes around the building are the bare minimum, to give as much space to pedestrians as possible. Etc, etc.




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And I'm judging that only based on what is open now - once the pocket park opens and the cladding is finished, it should be excellent.
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Old Posted Apr 28, 2021, 10:45 PM
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If the base of the St. Regis tower is 'great' as noted by ardecila, what words do you use to describe the base of a building like the one being proposed in New York at 175 Park Avenue (Grand Hyatt)? Not built yet, but as a big idea for the base of a tall tower, I would call that 'great'. Or the lobby of the built Lotte Tower in Seoul? My point is if someone created a list of top 10 or 20 building bases on tall towers, this one would likely not be on the list compared to all the other amazing things that have been done at the bases of tall towers. It is great compared to other buildings at Lake Shore East, but is it good enough for the scale building it is and considering how rare it is that buildings of this scale get built in Chicago? There is ultimately no comparison to dollars spent in NY on buildings as compared to Chicago. Might as well be different planets. The critique I have likely has more to do with the developer and budgets than the architect. Studio Gang has demonstrated many times how to deal with the base of buildings in a memorable way.
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If the base of the St. Regis tower is 'great' as noted by ardecila, what words do you use to describe the base of a building like the one being proposed in New York at 175 Park Avenue (Grand Hyatt)? Not built yet, but as a big idea for the base of a tall tower, I would call that 'great'. Or the lobby of the built Lotte Tower in Seoul? My point is if someone created a list of top 10 or 20 building bases on tall towers, this one would likely not be on the list compared to all the other amazing things that have been done at the bases of tall towers. It is great compared to other buildings at Lake Shore East, but is it good enough for the scale building it is and considering how rare it is that buildings of this scale get built in Chicago? There is ultimately no comparison to dollars spent in NY on buildings as compared to Chicago. Might as well be different planets. The critique I have likely has more to do with the developer and budgets than the architect. Studio Gang has demonstrated many times how to deal with the base of buildings in a memorable way.
And how many have active roadways underneath them on multiple levels while facing a river with a multi level roadway? I think they did a damn good job of linking the river with LSE ....AND with Cirrus & Cascade..linking to the lakefront. Not a huge fan of the one random vent on the west side and that they did not taper the top more but otherwise very nice. P.S....we really need to have the 1st annual SSP meeting in this bar when it opens.
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[QUOTE=Chi-Sky21;9264135] And how many have active roadways underneath them on multiple levels while facing a river with a multi level roadway? I think they did a damn good job of linking the river with LSE ....AND with Cirrus & Cascade..linking to the lakefront.

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If the base of the St. Regis tower is 'great' as noted by ardecila, what words do you use to describe the base of a building like the one being proposed in New York at 175 Park Avenue (Grand Hyatt)? Not built yet, but as a big idea for the base of a tall tower, I would call that 'great'. Or the lobby of the built Lotte Tower in Seoul? My point is if someone created a list of top 10 or 20 building bases on tall towers, this one would likely not be on the list compared to all the other amazing things that have been done at the bases of tall towers. It is great compared to other buildings at Lake Shore East, but is it good enough for the scale building it is and considering how rare it is that buildings of this scale get built in Chicago? There is ultimately no comparison to dollars spent in NY on buildings as compared to Chicago. Might as well be different planets. The critique I have likely has more to do with the developer and budgets than the architect. Studio Gang has demonstrated many times how to deal with the base of buildings in a memorable way.
All of the above are good. Gotta consider context though.

175 Park is basically a train station that happens to have an office tower above it. Literally hundreds of thousands of people need to pass through it every day, getting off subways and commuter trains so SOM had to bend over backwards to make an open design. It's a civic showpiece so it is designed accordingly.

St Regis is basically in a vertical bedroom community. There's certainly some pedestrian traffic but it's not a hub of activity, it doesn't call for a civic showpiece design. For that context I think it's a great design at the base. All it needs to do is provide quiet, pleasant pedestrian connections between the outer ring of LSE (Upper Wacker, Riverwalk) and the inner ring (Harbor Drive, LSE Park). There's a really nice connector at the upper level that opens out to the vista of LSE Park and LSD stretching down to the Field Museum. There's a really nice connector at the lower level that links the riverwalk to the park, and manages to turn the dystopian hellscape of Sub Wacker Drive into something unthreatening and even inviting. All those public spaces are filled with stylish elements that continue the design flair of the tower down to the pedestrian scale. That's it, mission accomplished.
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and manages to turn the dystopian hellscape of Sub Wacker Drive into something unthreatening and even inviting.
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I take it you were never down there before LSD was straightened.
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Gorgeous shots of a gorgeous building!
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I agree. It probably could have a home in Dubai, but not Chicago. Tacky comes to mind.

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This building has come to represent to me the most salient characteristics of the current, embarrassingly unforgettable obsession in architectural

designs with gimmickry and pretense at the expense of the expression of integrity interwoven with a genius of economy. I do not worship at the

altar of Mies but this wiggling wall and finger and its many ilk popping up around the planet have turned the idea of "less is more" on its head.

The attitude broadcast by these googaws - designed to pander to the egos of the most pretentious and monetarily hoarding pseudo-members of

the societies which they seek to dominate - is strictly "more or less."

This building represents the costliness of rushed desperation as much as anything else. Look at me, Look at me, like the adage,

"pearls before swine" it will always need redemption from its own pretenses. Move the columns this way and that, cover them over with shallow

manipulated glass, punch a hole through it to make it less of a danger, and pretty soon you'll get Dr. Frankenstein to sign a contract!

Like so many politicos, "it depends upon what the meaning of the word 'Is' is" and, in so many cases nowadays, more has become much, much less

and the negative planetary effects continue to grow.

So, we are left with the only assessment allowed today - It could have been worse.
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