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Can't find the info on this - what was it called ? definitely UC now.
[ 5 or 6 story addition to the loft building next door - part of a project that plans towers on the next 2 lots to the north - thx rivernorthlurker ]

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Can't find the info on this - what was it called ? definitely UC now.

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^ great vantage point no doubt. Almost time to add Vista to the big 4 bumping it up to the "Big 5".
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Already added a mural to that building? Nice.
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I seriously can't wait to see all this action later in the year when it really gets going, during nicer weather. Chicago has not thrown in the A+++ Global Cities towel.
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Concrete frame, huh? Had not been expecting it for this one. Normally (without actually seeing blueprints/inside info etc) I'd assume that this is just for parking floors, with a transition to composite/steel frame above garage levels, but if not mistaken all the parking is below ground for this one....

Fulton East is also concrete....as is 145 S Wells (and I could be missing one or two in Fulton Market).....so a smattering of concrete framed office buildings late in this cycle
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Concrete frame, huh? Had not been expecting it for this one. Normally (without actually seeing blueprints/inside info etc) I'd assume that this is just for parking floors, with a transition to composite/steel frame above garage levels, but if not mistaken all the parking is below ground for this one....

Fulton East is also concrete....as is 145 S Wells (and I could be missing one or two in Fulton Market).....so a smattering of concrete framed office buildings late in this cycle
Curious to know... What are the implications of this? Does concrete vs steel mean higher/lower quality or higher/lower cost etc? What kind of impression would this communicate outward if any?
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Curious to know... What are the implications of this? Does concrete vs steel mean higher/lower quality or higher/lower cost etc? What kind of impression would this communicate outward if any?
My understanding is that it doesn't mean much of anything anymore, just that concrete strength increased allowing it's use in more designs due to its versatility. It's the default choice now.
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Curious to know... What are the implications of this? Does concrete vs steel mean higher/lower quality or higher/lower cost etc? What kind of impression would this communicate outward if any?
The biggest downside in using concrete for office buildings is that it significantly limits or, in many cases, eliminates the ability to open up access in floors to insert stairs, for example, if a tenant wanted to increase circulation between multiple floors...
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My understanding is that it doesn't mean much of anything anymore, just that concrete strength increased allowing it's use in more designs due to its versatility. It's the default choice now.

Concrete is definitely not the default choice for office construction in Chicago. To the extent that anything would be considered default, it is a steel frame - or more precisely a composite structure with a concrete core and steel frame.

In other cities globally, even advanced economies similar to the U.S. that one would think would have relatively similar circumstances (there are a lot of variables that play into it, one finds), concrete is more of a default for office - Australia among others come to mind, where the steel frame or composite structure certainly occurs but is in the minority.
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The biggest downside in using concrete for office buildings is that it significantly limits or, in many cases, eliminates the ability to open up access in floors to insert stairs, for example, if a tenant wanted to increase circulation between multiple floors...

Isn't it true though as well that you still end up losing a relatively meaningful amount of otherwise leasable space to concrete columns as opposed to steel, and the related shorter column-free spans that you end up with when going concrete?
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