EV Revolution!

[canucklehead2]

Unless I am blind and couldn't use the search function properly there isn't a proper Electric Vehicle thread yet so I thought I'd start one. Who here has one? Who here wants one? Anyone drive or sit in one yet? I have a Smart Fortwo myself, but unfortunately it's not an electric edition, it's the limited Cdi edition that sold well in Canada for two years. My next car will be an electric and probably a used Smart Fortwo EV that seems to be flooding the used EV car market in Canada such as it is...

In the meantime, here's a very cool link showing all the EV car sales for the last year... https://insideevs.com/news/343998/mo...les-scorecard/

[canucklehead2]

So will this be the car that turns the masses onto electric cars? This is the official rendering of the next to be built Tesla, the Model 2, which will be designed and built at Gigafactory 3 in Shanghai for the Chinese and global markets. The target price? $25,000 USD which is the "average" MSRP price of a car in the USA. Would you buy it? I sure would!

https://thedriven.io/2020/01/17/tesl...d-in-china-ev/

[canucklehead2]

Published by https://thedriven.io/2020/01/17/tesl...d-in-china-ev/

[canucklehead2]

Here is a constantly updated list of all the EV's available for sale in Canada https://www.caa.ca/electric-vehicles...ble-in-canada/

[canucklehead2]

Some EV news headlines of the day... https://edmontonjournal.com/transpor...4-1e1e1dfcf346

Petro-Canada has finished it's network connecting 2 of Canada's 3 oceans with EV fast chargers...
https://mobilesyrup.com/2019/12/18/p...rging-network/

Meanwhile Canadian Tire is just launching theirs albeit with $2.7M of federal tax dollars... https://www.canada.ca/en/natural-res...-networks.html

They promise 300 stops by 2021...


Credit: Postmedia Driving

[canucklehead2]

Petro Canada Supercharger network as of 2019. Edmonton once again gets the Joan Collins Special...

Credit: Insideevs.com

https://insideevs.com/news/389412/pe...rging-network/

[canucklehead2]

A current indicator of the size of the Canadian EV market. It's tiny granted that between 1.6-2.0 million passenger vehicles are bought every year in Canada and virtually an equal number built here as well (until the GM Canada closure of last year) but it's still showing year over year growth and the start of the famed S curve sales trend...

Credit: EMC.CA https://emc-mec.ca/new/ev-sales-in-canada-q2-2019/

[canucklehead2]

Another interesting takeaway?

10% of car sales in BC are ZEV now
07% of car sales in Quebec are ZEV now
3.5% of car sales in Canada are ZEV now

Not bad for the second-coldest nation on earth!

[jtown,man]

I think we just found the most sensitive person on SSP. Battery production is really bad for the environment. I had a professor who studies nothing but climate change say that solar panels, for example, have a long way to go to becoming produced in an actually environmentally friendly way. And in reality, oil is produced in a more humane way using the Urban Political Ecology theory.

[canucklehead2]

Originally Posted by jtown,man

I think we just found the most sensitive person on SSP. Battery production is really bad for the environment. I had a professor who studies nothing but climate change say that solar panels, for example, have a long way to go to becoming produced in an actually environmentally friendly way. And in reality, oil is produced in a more humane way using the Urban Political Ecology theory.

Someone is a delusional Trumpazee. You have shown no actual facts that can be verified just another worthless nobody. Drop dead, moron! #blocked

[canucklehead2]

i'll gladly change my mind once someone shows me verified scientific facts maybe I'll consider listening to a right-wing oil troll. Until then? Also tell me about your Flat Earth society... I am sure you're also a member of that movement...

[jtown,man]

Originally Posted by canucklehead2

Someone is a delusional Trumpazee. You have shown no actual facts that can be verified just another worthless nobody. Drop dead, moron! #blocked

Jesus, you have issues bro.

#not blocked(because I am not scared of opinions)

[202_Cyclist]

Originally Posted by jtown,man

I think we just found the most sensitive person on SSP. Battery production is really bad for the environment. I had a professor who studies nothing but climate change say that solar panels, for example, have a long way to go to becoming produced in an actually environmentally friendly way. And in reality, oil is produced in a more humane way using the Urban Political Ecology theory.

This is just laughable. Leaving aside the severe environmental costs of oil, countries that are dependent on exporting oil are overwhelmingly less developed, less democratic, have a higher number of civil wars and other conflicts, and are more corrupt. Norway is largely the exception.

https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/le...d_politics.pdf

[jtown,man]

Originally Posted by 202_Cyclist

This is just laughable. Leaving aside the severe environmental costs of oil, countries that are dependent on exporting oil are overwhelmingly less developed, less democratic, have a higher number of civil wars and other conflicts, and are more corrupt. Norway is largely the exception.

https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/le...d_politics.pdf

Less developed or less democratic?

I don't think the people of Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, U.A.E, USA, or Canada are worse off because of oil. In any case, the people involved with oil are much better off than the people slaving away mining the shit for batteries(according to UPE).

[202_Cyclist]

Originally Posted by jtown,man

Less developed or less democratic?

I don't think the people of Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, U.A.E, USA, or Canada are worse off because of oil. In any case, the people involved with oil are much better off than the people slaving away mining the shit for batteries(according to UPE).

Yes, both less developed and less democratic. The countries most dependent on exporting oil include Sudan, Venezuela, Libya, Iraq, Russia, Nigeria, and Iran. None of these are vibrant , diversified, economies. Reliance on oil exports to provide foreign revenue distorts economic growth in these countries and prevenare them from investing in their people. There is extensive literature describing this, a phenomenon know as the Dutch Disease.

https://www.imf.org/external/np/pp/eng/2016/042916.pdf

[202_Cyclist]

Originally Posted by jtown,man

Less developed or less democratic?

I don't think the people of Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, U.A.E, USA, or Canada are worse off because of oil. In any case, the people involved with oil are much better off than the people slaving away mining the shit for batteries(according to UPE).

And, yes, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and the U.A.E. Despite being wealthy countries, what do these countries export besides oil or natural gas? The answer is almost nothing. I read that little South Korea, with virtually no natural resources, has more patents than all of the Arab countries combined. Oil wealth, at best, provides a temporary sugar high.

Also, despite being wealthy countries, anyone with means in the Gulf states you mentioned s new their children abroad for both primary and secondary education because the public schools in these countries are mostly inadequate.

[jtown,man]

Originally Posted by 202_Cyclist

And, yes, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and the U.A.E. Despite being wealthy countries, what do these countries export besides oil or natural gas? The answer is almost nothing. I read that little South Korea, with virtually no natural resources, has more patents than all of the Arab countries combined. Oil wealth, at best, provides a temporary sugar high.

Also, despite being wealthy countries, anyone with means in the Gulf states you mentioned s new their children abroad for both primary and secondary education because the public schools in these countries are mostly inadequate.

True, there are countries with little resources that have become extremely developed. The question is would that be the case in Kuwait without oil? Would it turn into South Korea or Yemen?

[emathias]

Originally Posted by jtown,man

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in reality, oil is produced in a more humane way using the Urban Political Ecology theory.

Odd phrasing, considering that Urban Political Ecology theory isn't really about reality, but in creating a top-down framework for trying to predict what different changes in urban behaviors would result in. While not everone involved with UPE would agree with my assessment that it's more of a predictive model than a representative model, I think there's ample evidence to support describing it that way. Predictive models aren't dealing with defining reality, just in enabling predictions. There's nothing wrong with that - there's a reason engineering still mostly uses Newtonian physics to design things, even though we now know that Newtonian physics is an inaccurate description of the reality of the Universe. Predictive models can be useful for prediction, but they should never be confused with descriptive or definitive models because that's not what they are.

[SIGSEGV]

This paper (somewhat outdated, perhaps?) indicates that the battery impact is a small fraction of the environmental impact of building a new vehicle: https://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/es903729a
Perhaps driving a used vehicle is a better alternative. Or, just don't own a car at all.

That said, lithium mining is no joke and certainly has negative local environmental impacts (although perhaps that can be improved).

[cabasse]

oil is used in every facet of modern life. tapping every last resource we can get our hands on (as quickly as we can) just so we can burn 95% of it away, mostly in very inefficient ICE engines, is just incredibly shortsighted.

the world's biggest lithium producer by far is australia, not some third world place. we also produce our own sources. tesla appears to source theirs from a mix of china, canada, the US and Europe.