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This would be the worst. Horrible.
This would also be fine. Its an empty freaking lot for pete's sake.
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That's an outdated design, but as far as something of that massing, something that extends the street wall, I would be thrilled if something like that gets built. Put in a nice stone façade, a good lobby and I'm sold.
That street wall composition was the best thing about the original design of 1000M, that and it was unique.
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I doubt we'll see any changes to the design.

The developers probably want to hold onto as many condo buyers as possible, although I'm sure they will have to buy out some contracts to create a usable block of apartments amid the condos.
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Lagrange is the go-to guy for traditional or deco highrises in Chicago and he is widely known in the RE industry for this. The only reason Related hired Stern for OBP is because they already had a relationship from several projects in New York and LA.

Can you suggest any other local architects who offer that kind of cachet for traditional design (whether deserved or not) and an understanding of highrises?
Yeah good question. Maybe 1980s-era Adrian Smith for NBC Tower? Or early 2000s SBC for their good awful precast pomo condos?
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The developers probably want to hold onto as many condo buyers as possible
How would that work in an all-rental building?

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“The exterior of the building would remain substantially as previously approved,” Francis Greenburger, chairman and CEO of New York-based Time Equities, added.
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How would that work in an all-rental building?

At any rate,

“The exterior of the building would remain substantially as previously approved,” Francis Greenburger, chairman and CEO of New York-based Time Equities, added.


I had this precise thought as I was thinking about this article and specifically that quote a bit more! That doesn't compute. I'm actually going to go ahead and predict changes to the design are likely if they can pull an all rental version together. Think about 111 W Wacker changes in terms of the very broad strokes way in which changes might occur - project density/unit count, floor plans, floor plate, massing, height, etc etc. I would expect from a pure project economics standpoint. None of this is to say that an all rental design by necessity is precluded from being very strong in its own right....in terms of bold design, for height obsessives even (just look to NEMA for inspiration)

Again, the article struck me as reflecting an aspiration.....my read is that the expressed desire to not have substantial changes to the exterior design may be part of that - eg would rather not go back thru the entitlement process/amendments, so hopefully we can just switch to rental within the existing approved envelope......all very hopeful.

Something about this developer team.....I just.....don't know.....never has inspired confidence. As ever would love my skepticism to be proven overdone in the end.
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None of this is to say that an all rental design by necessity is precluded from being very strong in its own right....in terms of bold design, for height obsessives even (just look to NEMA for inspiration)
i'm not fully in the "height exclusively for the sake of height" camp, but in this particular spot, having something really tall to bust through the "south loop lull" and help tie the new cluster down at central station back into the rest of the skyline would be really nice to see, IMO.



here's to hoping!
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How would that work in an all-rental building?

At any rate,

“The exterior of the building would remain substantially as previously approved,” Francis Greenburger, chairman and CEO of New York-based Time Equities, added.
The article doesn't say all-rental, just "primarily" rental. Which could be anything from 100% rental to 60% rental (and 40% condo).

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Yeah good question. Maybe 1980s-era Adrian Smith for NBC Tower? Or early 2000s SBC for their good awful precast pomo condos?
Adrian Smith certainly has done this work in the past (NBC Tower, AT&T, Rowes Wharf in Boston, etc) but it would be VERY off-brand for AS+GG today. Not to mention they have effectively specialized in supertall structures, which makes them irrelevant for most Chicago developers. We did get some subtle historic nods on Trib Tower though.
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i'm not fully in the "height exclusively for the sake of height" camp, but in this particular spot, having something really tall to bust through the "south loop lull" and help tie the new cluster down at central station back into the rest of the skyline would be really nice to see, IMO.
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here's to hoping!
From another thread, this picture really demonstrates the gap exactly where 1000M will some day rise.

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From another thread, this picture really demonstrates the gap exactly where 1000M will some day rise.
I'm imagining this image panned out with Lincoln Yards and Michael Reese.
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^ protip: if you add an h to the part before .jpg in imgur, it will be autoresized to a reasonably-sized width.


Also, thanks for sharing this!
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So a negligible haircut on the height from 832'/76 floors down to 805'/73 floors, but a big increase on the unit count.

It will be interesting to see where this goes, and how big the impact to the overall design might be.

Thanks for posting!
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Smaller, cheaper apartments I'm guessing? That would make sense.

Good news though
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Nice to see some movement on this one. The slight height reduction sucks but I'm not mad about more units.
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was prepared for a height cut based on everything you guys have been saying, super nice to know that it'll only be 30 feet. Will be a massive beast nonetheless
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Yeah, I was expecting a much more drastic height reduction, comparable to Waterview/OneEleven's ~40% cut. At 1000M's location, even a 700-footer would have a major impact on the skyline, let alone 803 ft.

I wonder if the units will now be a mix of condos and apartments.
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Is the proposed height 803 feet or the 805 feet listed on the Akerman letter?
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Is the proposed height 803 feet or the 805 feet listed on the Akerman letter?
The 803' figure was a typo on my part. My bad.
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Will be very interesting to see what happens to the design here, and also what the mix is as far as rental units/condos.

This developer made some very odd and unfortunate choices with respect to that mix - also potentially with size/pricing - from the start. I believe there was a formula that would have worked (including with some minority condo component if desired) and resulted in a completed building by now.

Here's to hoping they've finally figured it out (maybe they've hired some good consultants to work out their market strategy?) this time!
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