NEW YORK | 250 Water Street | 2 x 470 FT | 38 FLOORS - Page 6

NYguy · #**101** Posted **Jun 6, 2020, 1:46 AM**

Site cleanup...

https://www.dec.ny.gov/data/der/fact...27riwpreng.pdf

Zapatan · #**102** Posted **Jun 6, 2020, 4:37 PM**

Already? Could something start construction this year potentially?

Maldive · #**103** Posted **Jun 7, 2020, 1:52 PM**

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It reminds me of Scotia Plaza in Toronto, although sadly it seems the 1K+ tower may not be the one.

I hope we get at least 900 ish and a cool design

^yeah adding to this project's NIMBY woes, Scotia Plaza has filed copyright infringement action in Trump Superior Court.

The good news is this precedent opens up NYC actions against hundreds of (poor) imitations of Empire State/Chrysler/Woolworth built around the world.

chris08876 · #**104** Posted **Jun 7, 2020, 3:14 PM**

The Manhattan of the West!

SkyHigher · #**105** Posted **Jun 7, 2020, 3:24 PM**

Shame they never added ickle Twin Towers to that mini LV skyline when it was built in the late 90s.

NYguy · #**106** Posted **Jun 7, 2020, 6:20 PM**

I stayed at that hotel in Vegas on a couple of occasions.

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Already? Could something start construction this year potentially?

No, the site needs environmental cleanup. That’s what that is for.

https://www.amny.com/news/cleanup-at...moves-forward/

NYguy · #**107** Posted **Jun 22, 2020, 5:48 PM**

https://www.change.org/p/say-no-to-h...street-seaport

Say 'NO' to HHC's Tower at 250 Water Street and Save the Historic South Street Seaport!

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Howard Hughes Corporation ("HHC"), a Texas-based developer, is looking to destroy the integrity of the South Street Seaport Historic District by obtaining approval for a 90-story tall tower on 250 Water Street.

The site is zoned for 120 feet and resides in a protected Historic District, which consists of early 19th century 4 and 5 story buildings and cobblestone streets.

HHC purchased the site from its prior developer, Howard Milstein in 2018 for ~$180 million - likely betting they could lobby city officials and have zoning laws changed.

Now HHC embarks on just that, hiring lobbyists to change zoning laws and win approval for their 90-story monstrosity.

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We urge you to stand with us, reject this corporate greed, and protect one of our National Treasures. Not only is the South Street Seaport the birthplace of New York City and New York State, but also a key piece of America's national history!

The Seaport Coalition is by no means 'anti-development.' We simply ask that existing zoning laws be upheld and HHC develops within their right. Is that too much to ask?

Zapatan · #**108** Posted **Jun 22, 2020, 6:12 PM**

Nah, I'll take the 90 story building, thanks.

BK1985 · #**109** Posted **Jun 22, 2020, 11:44 PM**

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Originally Posted by NYguy

https://www.change.org/p/say-no-to-h...street-seaport

Say 'NO' to HHC's Tower at 250 Water Street and Save the Historic South Street Seaport!

These people are psychotic

Crawford · #**110** Posted **Jun 23, 2020, 12:23 AM**

Where can we vote "hell, yeah, build it!"?

This tower will transform a hideous parking lot and dead zone into a vibrant neighborhood, so obviously the rent-contolled NIMBYs losing their views are outraged.

giantSwan · #**111** Posted **Jun 23, 2020, 2:02 AM**

looks incredible - build!

Visionist · #**112** Posted **Jun 24, 2020, 11:18 AM**

Build it.

chris08876 · #**113** Posted **Jul 7, 2020, 7:24 PM**

Former CB1 Chair Enters the Fray, Opposing a Tower on 250 Water Street

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A prominent new voice has been added to the chorus of opposition against permitting the Howard Hughes Corp. to build a residential skyscraper at 250 Water Street, in the low-rise South Street Seaport Historic District.

Madelyn Wils, president and CEO of the Hudson River Park Trust, was the chair of Community Board 1 in 2003 when the board won its fight to downzone the lot, which is part of the historic district. At a June online Community Board 1 committee meeting, Wils spoke publicly for the first time against the undoing of that work.

“I’m taking a different role tonight. This is very unusual for me,” Wils told CB1’s Waterfront, Parks and Cultural Committee. “I felt that I needed to get into this conversation. I am here to just remind you of what this community board did 20 years ago, and the reason it did it.”

The Hughes Corp. proposes to provide millions of dollars in neighborhood improvements in exchange for the zoning approvals that could allow a nearly 100-story building. To make that happen, the developer needs to convince the city to remove restrictions, won by the efforts of Wils and others, that limits the building height to 120 feet. Along with changing the zoning for the site, Hughes Corp would need to transfer some 450,000 square feet of consolidated Seaport air rights, something that is now prohibited.

Chief among the incentives for those changes is a promised new building for the struggling South Street Seaport Museum.

CB1 is on record opposing changes to the current zoning, and Wils encouraged the committee to stick to that position, saying a “huge precedent” would be set if the board reversed itself and supported higher zoning in the landmark district. “You have to consider whether or not the amenities that you are being offered here are worth doing a process of upzoning this lot,” she told the committee. “And what it means for landmark districts around the city.”

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http://www.tribecatrib.com/content/f...0-water-street

TK2001 · #**114** Posted **Jul 7, 2020, 10:34 PM**

That petition is hilarious, as are the comments below. "Do we reeeally want more tall towers??" YES PLEASE, I really like this one

CrazyCres · #**115** Posted **Jul 7, 2020, 11:05 PM**

Build it

Busy Bee · #**116** Posted **Jul 8, 2020, 1:13 AM**

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NYguy · #**117** Posted **Jul 8, 2020, 2:36 AM**

Looks like they've decided to go with the tallest tower, or the two-tower plan. Not surprising. It wouldn't be surprising if they ultimately went with the two-tower plan.

Some results of the final stakeholder's meeting.

Zapatan · #**118** Posted **Jul 8, 2020, 2:52 AM**

Two towers is nice but 770' seems lame for downtown, 990' is much better.

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It wouldn't be surprising if they ultimately went with the two-tower plan

Why? NIMBYs and/or financial reasons I'm guessing.

chris08876 · #**119** Posted **Jul 8, 2020, 3:17 AM**

I like the reasons given for "B. Stepped tower".

The third point.... Because the tall tower would face too much opposition...

At least they are honest.

Hopefully this ultimately is the Point Tower. Anything else seems like its catering to the NIMBYS. This area needs something that further puts it on the map. The Two Tower option sucks!

I would like to see more affordable housing on a side note.

chris08876 · #**120** Posted **Oct 5, 2020, 9:41 PM**

Checking In On SOM’s Proposed 89-Story Supertall At 250 Water Street In The South Street Seaport District

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YIMBY went to take a look at 250 Water Street, the site of Howard Hughes‘ planned supertall in the South Street Seaport District. Early renderings from Skidmore Owings & Merrill show the mixed-use skyscraper rising nearly 1,052 feet tall. However, it may be a few years before any progress begins on the Financial District project, which would become the tallest residential building below Canal Street.

In its current state, the site is occupied by an active full-block LAZ Parking lot. 250 Water Street is bound by Pearl Street to the northwest, Peck Slip to the northeast, Water Street to the southeast, and Beekman Street to the southwest. Photographs below show the surrounding neighborhood and the skyline of the Financial District. The land gradually slopes downward towards the East River and is surrounded by a mix of historically landmarked and residential low- to mid-rise buildings. The Brooklyn Bridge is one block away to the north, while the East River waterfront and Pier 17 are both two blocks to the east by the FDR Drive.

250 Water Street is planned to rise 89 stories with 1,038,950 square feet divided between commercial, hotel, and residential components. The ground level will yield 47,820 square feet of commercial space, while the second through fifth floors will have a cumulative 179,370 square feet of commercial space. The hotel above is set to span 156,800 square feet from floors seven through 22. Residential units occupy 608,630 square feet from the 24th through the 87th floors. Mechanical levels will take up 46,330 square feet on floors six, 23, 88, and 89. It’s unclear as how many of the 550 to 700 units will be designated for affordable housing. See our previous article for more additional info. Below are the first batch of preliminary renderings that show a potential brick masonry podium.

A spokesperson from Howard Hughes Corporation recently informed YIMBY stating, “these renderings are outdated and do not depict designs under consideration for 250 Water Street.”

Hotel guests and residents will have panoramic views of the East River and the Lower Manhattan and Midtown skylines thanks to the skyscraper’s isolated position away from other tall buildings. The Fulton Street subway hub is a ten-minute walk from the site, with access to the 2, 3, 4, 5, A, C, J, and Z trains.

A start and completion date for 250 Water Street not been disclosed.

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