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New entrance planned for LIRR’s Grand Central Madison to improve accessibility

By Giulia Heyward
Published Oct 1, 2024



A new accessible street entrance is coming to the Long Island Rail Road’s Grand Central Madison Concourse, located at 45th Street and Madison Avenue, within the next 18 months. The project will create a new entrance for tens of thousands of daily riders commuting via the LIRR and Metro-North.


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Old Posted Oct 1, 2024, 9:04 PM
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Been planned for years in ESA plans, so not really "burning" money. I'm not opposed to big spending on M-N and LIRR. I don't think the goal should be to pit the subway against regional riders. More money should be invested in everything. But we need to be getting a lot for that money. The cost of construction HAS to be brought in to line with peer city standards, there is no other option. The administration of major construction and civil works may have to be peeled away from the MTA government agency to get there because a major part of the problem is politics.
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More money should be invested in everything. But we need to be getting a lot for that money. The cost of construction HAS to be brought in to line with peer city standards, there is no other option. The administration of major construction and civil works may have to be peeled away from the MTA government agency to get there because a major part of the problem is politics.
Who would you grant that construction and works administration to?
Anyone you might suggest, in one way or another, will be responsible to a political based government agency. Public funded transit means politics is at work.

Take what is happening with Space X, a private, for profit, rocket launch company, having to knell a knee to the FAA over environmental issues such as sonic booms.
Really? Anything going faster than the speed of sound is going to create sonic booms, and rockets launching to orbit and landing from orbit are going faster than the speed of sound.

Never-the-less, politics is involved.
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I don't have all the answers electricron, but I do know that it's been recommended that the MTA spin off it's planning/construction bureaucracy into some other kind of entity that can operate more independently and more free of political accomidations and influence and let the main focus of the MTA be operations. They don't seem to have the efficiency or capacity to do both and to do both to the extent that the region deserves.
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New report paves the way for expansion of Penn Station to increase train service

By Stephen Nessen
Published Oct 2, 2024 at 2:14 p.m. ET


A new report on the future of Penn Station published Wednesday concludes the only way to expand train capacity at the rail hub is to expand its footprint — supporting Amtrak’s years-long proposal to tear down a Midtown block south of 31st Street to install new tracks.

The release of the report comes as construction is underway on the $16 billion Gateway project to build a new Hudson River tunnel between Manhattan and New Jersey. Amtrak hopes, with its completion, to double the number of trains Penn Station is capable of handling in an hour from 24 to 48.


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Old Posted Oct 2, 2024, 8:38 PM
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I don't have all the answers electricron, but I do know that it's been recommended that the MTA spin off it's planning/construction bureaucracy into some other kind of entity that can operate more independently and more free of political accomidations and influence and let the main focus of the MTA be operations. They don't seem to have the efficiency or capacity to do both and to do both to the extent that the region deserves.
Still, whether MTA rules the planning or some other agency does, public opinion will be sought and political processes will still gummed up the works.

I don't think you fully understand the processes how these Federal programs are funded. Let's see if I can find a great link to it.
https://www.transit.dot.gov/funding/...la-grants-5307
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*Funds are available the year appropriated plus five years.
*Funding is apportioned based on legislative formulas. For urbanized areas of 50,000 to 199,999 in population, the formula is based on population, low-income population, and population density. These urbanized areas are also eligible to receive Small Transit Intensive Cities (STIC) funds if transit service provided in the urbanized area meets or exceeds the STIC performance criteria.
For urbanized areas with a population of 200,000 or more, the formula is based on a combination of bus vehicle revenue miles, bus passenger miles, fixed guideway vehicle revenue miles, fixed guideway directional route miles, fixed guideway passenger miles, and operating expenses, as well as population, low-income population, and population density.
*The federal share is not to exceed 80 percent of the net project cost for capital expenditures. The federal share may be 85 percent for the acquisition of vehicles and 90 percent for the cost of vehicle-related equipment or facilities (including clean fuel or alternative fuel vehicle-related equipment or facilities) for the purpose of complying with, or maintaining compliance with, the Americans with Disabilities Act and the Clean Air Act. The federal share may not exceed 50 percent of the net project cost of operating assistance.

There are significant competition for the Federal funds between transit agencies. The closer you get to a 50-50 match with the Federal government, the better your odds are for getting such funds.

Capital Investment Grants
https://www.transit.dot.gov/CIG#:~:t...rogram%20funds
*This FTA discretionary grant program funds transit capital investments, including heavy rail, commuter rail, light rail, streetcars, and bus rapid transit. Federal transit law requires transit agencies seeking CIG funding to complete a series of steps over several years.
*For New Starts and Core Capacity projects, the law requires completion of two phases in advance of receipt of a construction grant agreement: Project Development and Engineering.
*For Small Starts projects, the law requires completion of one phase in advance of receipt of a construction grant agreement: Project Development.
The law also requires projects to be rated by FTA at various points in the process according to statutory criteria evaluating project justification and local financial commitment. For a complete discussion of the CIG process and the evaluation criteria, please see FTA’s Policy Guidance.
*Sponsors of CIG projects should also become familiar with the transportation planning and environmental review process requirements that apply to projects funded by FTA. Find information on the transportation planning process and the environmental review process.

There you are, you can not get away from planning and environmental reviews, which are required for Federal funding. And these reviews allow public participation, and political maneuvers.
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The headline should be the MTA needs $100B to bring it to a state of good repair and another $200B+ to give this alpha city the system it deserves. The paltry amount of expansion the subway has seen in the last 75 years is almost too embarrassing to even mention.

Meanwhile Paris is currently building 125 miles of new electrified metro.
Way more than $100B to bring it to "state of good repair".
Just to bring it to third world level standards - removing mold, installing ceilings, installing platform train barriers at every station, will take well over $100B at current capital costs. Most of current MTA stations wouldn't pass inspection in literally any country in the world, including Africa. To bring it to at least US minimum federal standards, aka ADA compliance and elevators at every station/entrance, clearly marked signage/exits, fire emergency fluorescent tape, emergency lights and backup generators, would require tens of billions in addition. And we are talking nothing fancy here, just bare bones standard basic compliance you'd see at any private business.

Since MTA is a government agency they have exemptions from state and federal rules, including ADA. Imagine if any private business, Walmart for example, had 80+ people die every year while walking into a store because of some flaw in the Walmart entrance design... it would've been a major scandal and they would be sued into oblivion.
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New entrance planned for LIRR’s Grand Central Madison to improve accessibility

By Giulia Heyward
Published Oct 1, 2024



A new accessible street entrance is coming to the Long Island Rail Road’s Grand Central Madison Concourse, located at 45th Street and Madison Avenue, within the next 18 months. The project will create a new entrance for tens of thousands of daily riders commuting via the LIRR and Metro-North.


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https://gothamist.com/news/new-entra...-accessibility
A big part of East Side Access/Grand Central Madison is to divert some LIRR trains to Grand Central, freeing up track and platform space at Penn Station for Metro North trains served by stations in The Bronx and eventually two stations in the North of Manhattan.
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Penn Station railroads say complex must be enlarged to meet expected demand

By Ben Brachfeld
Posted on October 2, 2024


Amtrak, the MTA, and New Jersey Transit say they cannot expand train capacity at Penn Station without enlarging the terminal’s Midtown footprint, and possibly demolishing several blocks of Midtown Manhattan.

In a new report prepared by consulting firms WSP Global and FXCollaborative, the three railroads present several proposals to expand capacity at the widely-maligned Midtown train terminal to address an expected surge in ridership over the next several decades — only to reject them all as infeasible, necessitating further study on how best to enlarge the cavernous station’s footprint.

The Gateway program — including the now-fully funded second set of rail tunnels under the Hudson River to supplement the existing 110-year-old tubes damaged by Hurricane Sandy — is intended to double trans-Hudson train capacity on Amtrak and New Jersey Transit, from 24 to 48 per hour, in line with expected increases in passenger demand.


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Should the MTA kill the IBX and 2nd Ave projects? Former officials give unvarnished thoughts

By Stephen Nessen
Published Oct 4, 2024


The best way to get a straight answer from a New York City public official is to ask them questions after they leave office.

And that was certainly the case as On The Way recently sat down with the two former NYC Transit presidents as part of a collaboration with Vital City, which just published an issue dedicated to the subways. Our conversation came as the MTA prepared to release its next five-year capital plan, with a $65 billion price tag. The agency is asking Albany lawmakers to fund at least half of the cost through new taxes. It also needs another $15 billion to fill the hole left by Gov. Kathy Hochul’s congestion pricing pause.


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Construction begins on new 96th Street bus lanes





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The daily commute for 15,500 bus riders in Manhattan is about to speed up. Construction officially began this week on 1.7 miles of new bus lanes on 96th Street, stretching between West End Avenue on the Upper West Side and Second Avenue on the Upper East Side, the city’s Department of Transportation announced Monday. The redesign of 96th Street includes dedicated bus lanes for the M96 and M106 routes, left-turn bays, and treatments to “calm turning drivers’ speeds,” according to the agency.

NYC DOT will implement an offset or curbside bus lane in each direction between West End Avenue and Central Park West, between Madison Avenue and Second Avenue. This keeps the lane free of parked or standing vehicles while allowing curb access for parking, truck loading, and passenger pickups and drop-offs.

Left turn bays at intersections and hardened center lines will be added at intersections to calm traffic and reduce conflicts between turning vehicles and traffic. DOT will also lengthen bus stops to serve M96 and M106 riders at the same time and provide more space to wait, board, and depart.
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Should the MTA kill the IBX and 2nd Ave projects? Former officials give unvarnished thoughts

By Stephen Nessen
Published Oct 4, 2024


The best way to get a straight answer from a New York City public official is to ask them questions after they leave office.

And that was certainly the case as On The Way recently sat down with the two former NYC Transit presidents as part of a collaboration with Vital City, which just published an issue dedicated to the subways. Our conversation came as the MTA prepared to release its next five-year capital plan, with a $65 billion price tag. The agency is asking Albany lawmakers to fund at least half of the cost through new taxes. It also needs another $15 billion to fill the hole left by Gov. Kathy Hochul’s congestion pricing pause.


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They should definitely kill the light rail version of IBX and do the heavy rail version.
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NYC considers turning blighted areas beneath the BQE into vibrant public spaces

By Stephen Nessen
Published Oct 9, 2024


New York City's transportation department on Wednesday announced that it is considering a slew of projects to turn the blighted areas beneath and around the traffic-choked Brooklyn-Queens Expressway into public spaces New Yorkers might actually enjoy.


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ask mta: grand central madison entrances and navi-lens


Ask the MTA | The entrance to Grand Central Madison and expanding the NaviLens pilot program

By amNewYork
Posted on October 12, 2024

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